I´ll never buy a game that needs Windows live PETITION

[RPG-29]

UaW is a nice game, but I don´t want to register for Windows LIVE,
so I 100% won´t buy this game because of I don´t want to pay
tons of money for playing it. Paying once when I buy a game is enough.
And all those video game companies don´t get bankrupt, so I think
there is no need for this. All strategy games I ever played always had a
FREE online mode. So I won´t waste any money for a RTS when I have
to pay a monthly /annual fee to play it online or not online, even if
it will be the best RTS ever. I hope SEGA will thing about it, because I don´t think that I am the only one who don´t wants to pay for something what is
free in other games. Sign if you agree.

<SIGNED>

[Prisma]

.. you can play it online without paying .. but you dont get medal thingys etc what i have readed :/

[RPG-29]

@Prisma

As I know, medals are not the only thing.
Quickmatches, Domination mode an ranked games
need a registration, and I am not sure,
but I think you need somekind of cheaper Windows LIve (Silver?)
for even installing the game.
And this means you have only the half of the game if you don´t
wanr to pay for Windows Live gold.

[Thundertactics]

Just not the GOLD medals, you can get the SILVER ones...
And you lack a lot of online modes as stated above...
But you can play custom matches using silver....
(And, BTW, medals should be turned off in multiplayer games usually, only in
"lets test those medals" or "fun" or "I'm gunna beat you with my mdals" games they should be turned on...)

[Malid]

Its worth it now, and its going to be worth it a few years down the road when more and more games are going to require fee's because the services offered are of a much higher quality than most current standards.

This free online gaming stuff can't go on for much longer. End user's can only get a free ride for so long.

[RPG-29]

Its worth it now, and its going to be worth it a few years down the road when more and more games are going to require fee's because the services offered are of a much higher quality than most current standards.

What are these special services, which you get with Windows Live?

Or do you simply like paying for features you get in other games for free?

And I have already more than enough "high quality" by using windows.

[Prisma]

dunno :P but silver is free .. but still i dont like whole windows live thingy :P

[BoldarBlood]

damn, clicked the wrong thing in the poll. i read the topic and was clicking yes for not buying and then i read that the poll asked for buying^^

[speccy]

Its worth it now, and its going to be worth it a few years down the road when more and more games are going to require fee's because the services offered are of a much higher quality than most current standards.

This free online gaming stuff can't go on for much longer. End user's can only get a free ride for so long.

So, who at Microsoft is paying you to say this? Because that's a load of crock.

[Omni^]

Bah, how many times are people going to have this argument? It's a done deal, we play the game or we don't, and for me that's all riding on the next patch.

I'm not going to pay for gold, and I'll play the game if it's good.

[zulu9812]

Surely, Microsoft is testing the water here. I'm sure we'll see games that require LIVE in order to play multi player at all one day. I don't see any reason to lock players into one system like that - I cannot support it.

[DarkKnight114]

Guys, I'm not into PC gaming but i own a 360 so ill clear the water a little u evur heard of Xbox Live well im not sure if the same rules apply but this is wuts offered in the Xbox Live Silver and Xbox Live Gold:

Silver Free
-Gamer Profile
-Freinds List
-Message Center
-1 on 1 voice chat
-Xbox Live Market Place

Gold $8/month
-All Silver stuff
-Mulltiplayer Gaming
-Spectator Mode
-Tournaments
-Exclusive programing

[a0jc]

It ain't Xbox Live, it's Windows Live. Xbox live makes sense, on the PC it doesn't. PC's have the function of a console and way the frick more. Spectator mode? I can do that for free in CS:S. Tournaments? Free with games like CoH, WiC, and Supcom. Chat? I don't even need the game to have chat, I can use xFire or other Voip programs. Marketplace? Can you imagine what you can buy on a computer via the internet? Windows Live is plain bullsh*t. I hate having to pay twice to play a game. And if I don't make the second payment, I get to play half the game. Also, sometimes you don't have access to the net and you need it to install the game. Oh and Malid, WTF r u talkin about? That was probably the dumbest thing I've ever heard.

[Infinityseed]

I will never, EVER, buy a game that requires Windows Live or any other online service. Don't buy into the bullspit that industry fronts like Mallid are spewing over there. Set yourself up with a LAN. That's what I do. I don't buy games that don't have a LAN multiplayer mode or that require a link to the internet to play multiplayer. That's the future of the industry, regardless of the bullcrap that people working for bullies like Microsoft want you to believe. If Microsoft and Sega want to get stupid, there's always Linux along with a bunch of game companies who would love to have the money. I'm uninstalling this piece of crap and taking my business elsewhere. I don't care what you say, Linux may not be there now, but in a couple more years, it might be worth abandoning Microsoft altogether, especially since they think they own the whole PC industry. Vista and this snit here are just examples of how Bill Gates' mentality is still ruling the roost at MS. They want to tell us what's best for us because they think we are too stupid to make our own choices. People, please stop buying their bullspit. Boycott Vista, Microsoft Office 2007, and anything else that these idiots do to try to force us to keep shelling money out every few years. Boycott games like this that try to undermine the whole free multiplayer movement. Sure, they'll stop supporting their products in a few years, and maybe even release a few nasty worms to scare users into upgrading, but maybe Linux or something else will be well-supported enough by then to kill MS forever. Sure, this is a venomous, bitter flame, but I'm sick of MS coming back to their old habits every few years. I'm sick of the industry bullying us and treating us like herd animals. I'm sick of companies trying to end a good thing just so they can line their pockets. This game has convinced me not to spend money on anything Sega related for a few years at least, just to teach them a lesson.

[Tiki]

I will never, EVER, buy a game that requires Windows Live or any other online service.

Looks like you're gonna be :):):):) out of luck in about 10 years bud.

[bfdhud]

I will never, EVER, buy a game that requires Windows Live or any other online service.

Looks like you're gonna be out of luck in about 10 years bud.

I would wager more saying GFW:L will not be around in 10 years.

So far they have tried it with two titles.

Halo 2 PC and Shadowrun. out of those two, one flopped so horribly that the studio was shut down. I doubt the other fared much better.

GFW:L is a joke, the only saving grace is if you already have a XBL gold account you can use it for GFW:L.

The downside to this is next console generation Microsoft may not be the top dog, so you might end up paying for a subscription to play one game.

Overall it isn't worth it. I'm sure Universe at War will suffer because of it, just like Halo 2 PC and Shadowrun.

Throw on top of that the risk that the game itself might just suck and get bad reviews (hellgate: london anyone) and you end up with any title supporting GFW:L is fighting an uphill battle. I support GFW initiative, it brings some desperatly needed uniformity to PC games, but the Live component is nothing more than Microsoft trying to establish another revenue stream where there wasn't one before.



GG guys. I truly hope this game fails, like every GFW:L title before it.

[Tiki]

GG, you have one post and most likely are just :):):):)ed at GFW:L and have barely touched the game.

GFW:L will continue for quite a long time. You know why? Because Microsoft says so, and Microsoft has the money to back it up. Right now, with only a couple games using it, it's not surprising it isn't popular. Yet you should also realize that the majority of games using it are on a low budget (shadowrun/UAW) and are not expected to be 5 star games, or are controlled by Microsoft (Halo1:PC). I think GFW:L is a great idea that still needs polishing. With 10 active titles running under the game with major multiplayer platforms, I think 60 bucks a YEAR is pretty damn cheap. Yet I think you need to realize that for services like battle.net, new-age games with higher graphics require better servers, otherwise games are hosted off of a player's computer which can cause lag/location problems which often cause multiplayer aspects of otherwise great games to bomb. With that kind of money behind the servers, more income will be required to keep them running. Even if you don't pay for GFW:L, most developers will begin asking monthly/annual fees for multiplayer, or settle for player hosted games. Free multiplayer is beginning to die, and while games for windows may fail, developers will inevitably start charging. I'd personally rather have GFW:L funding all my games instead of paying fees for each game individually. So no, I don't think GFW:L is good for UAW, I think GFW:L is ahead of it's time.

[Samodelkin]

If its implemented in such a way to make it streamlined and competitive, its worth the cost, in my eyes.

[Badabing]

Surely, Microsoft is testing the water here. I'm sure we'll see games that require LIVE in order to play multi player at all one day. I don't see any reason to lock players into one system like that - I cannot support it.

Oh you can bet your :):):), and it wont be long until all of the multiplayer games they release will be like this. Its a damn shame and there is really nothing you can do about it then pay, if this game is as good as i think it is.

Because i am all about competitive gaming, i usually download the games for free but its mostly just the online games i buy and play for a long time. I both hate and love Microsoft, they release good things but sometimes they do a half :):):) job like whit Vista and you gotta pay for everything.

First Xbox live now Windows live whats next Microsoft food live, you gotta pay to enter a store and buy microsoft food. Soon they will be controlling the earth whit their damn live fees.

[dozerking]

It ain't Xbox Live, it's Windows Live. Xbox live makes sense, on the PC it doesn't. PC's have the function of a console and way the frick more. Spectator mode? I can do that for free in CS:S. Tournaments? Free with games like CoH, WiC, and Supcom. Chat? I don't even need the game to have chat, I can use xFire or other Voip programs. Marketplace? Can you imagine what you can buy on a computer via the internet? Windows Live is plain bullsh*t. I hate having to pay twice to play a game. And if I don't make the second payment, I get to play half the game. Also, sometimes you don't have access to the net and you need it to install the game. Oh and Malid, WTF r u talkin about? That was probably the dumbest thing I've ever heard.

This man speaks the truth.

[mojom@n]

.. you can play it online without paying .. but you dont get medal thingys etc what i have readed :/What if your gaming computer doesn't have internet?

[blackdevil0742]

.. you can play it online without paying .. but you dont get medal thingys etc what i have readed :/What if your gaming computer doesn't have internet?

You do not need internet connection to play it.
Just like Gears of War PC you could use an offline account.

GfWL is like gamespy. I for one am happy because there will at least be a service for the online play. Though I've had troubles making an account for Gears of War and I hope they fix it for UaW

[Nobbnobb]

"You do not need internet connection to play it.
Just like Gears of War PC you could use an offline account."


With Gears of War you need an account if you want to save the game.
Someone else mentioned that this is standard for Live games.

[blackdevil0742]

You CAN save games with the offline account in GoW. I have it and it works. The online account saves on the net and it can be faulty I guess as the pc version is unstable.

[misterchief747]

What are you guys complaining about live is a good service. im a big xbox gamer and have only been playing pc games for about two months so maybe im baised but what sold windows live for me is when i could private chat my xbox friends from my pc thats insane plus the achievments. i now have two sets of gears of war achievements (yay).
i can understand why you guys are mad never paying for online before but wouldent it be nice to have a unified freinds list? across all games thats awesome, private chat is awesome, hell all the community features are awesome, and you guys wait in like 3 years when everyone uses windows live it will be worth it just like xbox live is worth it (i will say if i dident already have a xbox account or they made make a new account and pay agian i wouldent be so happy)

[The Stratigest]

@Prisma


but I think you need somekind of cheaper Windows LIve (Silver?)
for even installing the game.
And this means you have only the half of the game if you don´t
wanr to pay for Windows Live gold.

I have note heard that part about needing a silver to install the final, the Beta yes, but not the final.

[thealliedhacker]

You will need silver to play final. Silver is free people...

They only things you don't get are cross platform matches and ranked matches (which includes quickplay). Many games don't even have these features.

You still get online multiplayer, you still get a server browser, you still get voice chat, you still get a unified account accross games. And you get all of these for free. Stop complaining.

One of the main reasons that I want this game is because it uses GFWL.

[petros_777]

i dont know why u guys are complaining about the cost. 50$ a year is not that much. thats only for serious gamers who care about being in ranked games or being in tourniments.

[Baleur]

I will buy it, but only because i already have a 360 with a 12 month xblive account.

[KLucifer]

malid....u say it can't go on forever...i have one word for you...STARCRAFT

this game has been running...hmmm i dont' know...10+ years...with NO FEES....how do they do it??...well u'll know if u ever play..there is an ad banner on top of channel...most of the ad is from blizzard themselves though...and no it's not annoying like pop ups are....it's just there along witht he interface of channel...so that it doesn't bother the living crap out of u...maybe UAW could do that as well...

oh yeah...i just realized...they're missing sumthing called a channel which blizzard games have...actually not just blizzard but other games as well.....if they do that...i think they can make an ad banner and get rid of the fees

[snapdragion]

The service itself seems awkward and annoying and yes, it does seem like another blatant cash grab by microsoft.

Until they publish games worth the extra cost, the service AND by extension games that use it will suffer.

[LordJuanlo]

The poll needs a third option, that's the one I would choose:

YES, I would buy a game that needs Windows Live, but I will not pay the Gold membership

[ChaosAngelic]

I fully support Games for Windows - Live. You know why? Because the goal isn't to charge people to play online... the goal is to unite the Xbox, PC, and mobile phone. You know, pay for premium content on one device and it becomes available on the other two... that kind of thing. Yes, it's a good idea. No, I don't work for Microsoft.

[Ozz13]

It just seems that only about 1/2 of the people understand the whole GfWL thing.

[vb]

I don't consider using a effortlessly ported service on the PC that drives almost all consumers away uniting communities. Especially if the crossplattform-playing COSTS MONEY. If you don't have an Xbox 360, chances are REALLY high that you won't pay for a GOLD account, because it doesn't help you at all. Still no chat lobby, still no passworded games and Xbox 360 controllers is probably (Even though Petro could've done a revolutionary layout) inferior to mouse and keyboard.
The competitive community will stay away, and so will lots of potential buyers.
And that even though the game itself is one of the best I've ever played, if you don't count the bugs that can't be patched in time because M$ is too lazy to certify the patches...

[meier49]

the **** live service fails anyway.... "unable to update live service check your network connection"......grr
I'm dead sure my network connection is not the problem as i deavtivated firewall for testint puproses and dont use a router.

[Jamesensor]

Just because one game has it, doesnt mean its doomed for all to have it. Many games dont have it and they run nice. Simple. I dont like windows live too. TCP/IP direct connection and Lan option games are by far my favorite. One guy in forum said he got gold account for uaw and he was all alone in server lol.

[Ezel]

Windows LIVE is just crap, 'cause all the money goes to micro$oft and not to SEGA and even if it goes to SEGA (dont know sure) it still would be stupid. Why do you need this money ? The servers can be runned by the community itself look at CS 1.6 still running! SEGA I think you have made a big mistake opting for windows live, 'cause there will be a very small online community and you're asking after piracy now. No sane man will buy those games if you can get them for free and play online with it. Believe me it will be possible sooner or later, maybe not with this game but if LIVE keeps running it will.