(sigh) PSO 3 is dissappointing

[Vahagn500]

I don't like it at all. I don't understand how fans of the old one can like it either. Everything is just so slow paced, battles take too long, the graphics haven't even been improved, and IT'S A CARD GAME! Don't get me wrong I love strategy games... but when they are this SLOW PACED, quite frankly I hate them.

The fast paced monster bashing action of the first one is all gone... hell I even liked the player vs player battle in the first one as well because it was FAST and to the point.

And in this one.. you can't level offline, which I don't get at all! There is a level for offline and online, I don't see the freaking point.


Well, I don't recommend this game to anyone, if you liked the old one then stick to it. PSO 3 is just too different from pso 1 and 2 to be similar.


One expression sega should heed to, "IF IT AIN'T BROKE, DON'T FIX IT!" :x

[Vahagn500]

to add upon my previouse post.


It would have been so cool if they somehow added in the cards without CHANGING the game so drastically.

Like, with your characters you could have had a special inventory in your option menu that had a list of cards you could use, and you could only use these cards say every 30 mins. They could recharge in 30 minutes after you used one, which would add some strategy to when you should use the cards and where.


But they just made it into a card game... (sigh)

[Linkooseven]

Sucks you feel this way. I think EpIII is a great addition to the PSO series. It was time for a change IMO, and making a stratagy game worked quite well.

We'll still see you on EpI&II tho right?

[Vahagn500]

Lol I doubt you can, when I was making my hunter's license account I put my real age. So it still thinks I am 17 years old and there is a lock on the account, I can't even access it to get a hunter's license.

I have to wait till my birthday before I play again.

And I had such high level characters too.. god damnit.

[Linkooseven]

I'm surprised people are getting locked out of their accounts. Back when EpI&II was new, people could get a HL putting whatever age they wanted with no problems...

[Shadow]

i don't like ep3 also it might be cool because of cards and stuff like that but i hate games where u just pick stuff. but skies of aracadia had something that just juiced it up well thats just my opinion if i ever rent ep3 and i like it maybe i'll get it hope no one gets offended because i think its stupid.

[Branskins]

Most people do not like change. Most people are prejudice. This game is a great addition to the PSO series, and the graphics have been MAJORLY improved. Sega could of course just add new monsters and a new story and bam you get PSO 3 just like ep 1 and 2. Nothing new. Sega took a chance to do something new and did a great job.
Slow-Pace: Most people who sit down and play any game should have enough time to play this game. I can beat someone in 5-10 mintues and that is a fast game.
PSO 1 & 2 was a hack and slash which got very tedious. Any person can just pick up the controller and press A and X over and over to beat the game. PSO3 takes it to the next step and makes it not so easy.

I am sorry that you do not like the game, but why would you come to these message boards and say you do not like it? These message boards are for help and suggestions not to post if you like the game or not.

[Vahagn500]

Who said people didn't like the hack and slash?

Didn't you read my idea with the cards and still hack and slash? That would have been a much better game.

I will bet you anything that most people will just stick with pso 1 and 2.

The change was just too big. Yes I know people fear change but they could have changed it a little bit but not so much.

I personally think they took it too far and LOST a lot of fans..

if you have established that your game is about hacking and slashing, cooperatiing with other players then why would you change both aspects of the game?

They made it much less cooperative and they turned it into an RPG. It's like taking an FPS and turning into an RPG, what would you think about that? The same can be said about FPS games, all you do is aim and shoot, BUT it is still fun because it is so addictive. PSO 1 and 2 weere addicitve, all they had to do was improve upon the graphics, some new levels, decent story and add in some new feature, not change the whole freaking game.


Whatever, all I have to say AGAIN, in the words of Calvin Coolidge,"IF IT AIN'T BROKE, DON'T FIX IT"

[Vahagn500]

I am sorry that you do not like the game, but why would you come to these message boards and say you do not like it? These message boards are for help and suggestions not to post if you like the game or not.


Uhh.. no. Message boards are for discussions that don't involve flaming and are on topic. I am on topic because I am talking about PSO and I haven't flamed anyone.

I have an opinion regarding the game so I am stating it, if you don't like it then please don't post in this thread.

Thanks :arrow:

[Branskins]

No one on these boards really care if you do not like it. Lets save our time helping others instead of you posting you do not like the game. What kind of response are you trying to get by saying you are disapointed?

[Vahagn500]

I am trying to find others that don't like the game as well and discuss ways they could have made it good without totally changing the game. And I am trying to find people that like the game and want to know why they like it.

And 1 thread about someone not liking the game is not going to stop someone from getting help so please stop bringing up that point. It doesn't make any sense

[Branskins]

This thread will die then. People do not want to deal with someone so snotty and rude.

[Vahagn500]

yes, you're one to talk.

Please leave my thread, quite frankly I don't want you here

The only reason I would be rude to someone is because they are trying to act like some wannabe police force in an online community. We got the admin for that, so once again I will say, stay out of this thread and delete your messages.

Thanks

[Branskins]

Haha. I am not the police. I am trying to help sga administrators cut their work shorter then they would half to. Do you expcect to come to PSO 3 messgae boards, bash it and not expect to offend anyone?

[Vahagn500]

It's called stating one's opinion. Like I said, if you don't like it then leave. Your presence isn't welcome here.

Go be the administrator's lapdog as much as you like, just stay out of my thread.

Thank you

[Ashley]

Most people do not like change. Most people are prejudice. This game is a great addition to the PSO series, and the graphics have been MAJORLY improved. Sega could of course just add new monsters and a new story and bam you get PSO 3 just like ep 1 and 2. Nothing new. Sega took a chance to do something new and did a great job.
Slow-Pace: Most people who sit down and play any game should have enough time to play this game. I can beat someone in 5-10 mintues and that is a fast game.
PSO 1 & 2 was a hack and slash which got very tedious. Any person can just pick up the controller and press A and X over and over to beat the game. PSO3 takes it to the next step and makes it not so easy.

I am sorry that you do not like the game, but why would you come to these message boards and say you do not like it? These message boards are for help and suggestions not to post if you like the game or not.


This board is ABOUT expressing your opinion on the game. If the Sonic Team members happen to read this they can get some feedback from their consumers. Like if I sold you lemonade I would like to know your honest opinion, was it too sour, too sweet? I think it's OK to say if it was bad, just not flame it around lol q:

[Vahagn500]

Well AShley got my point. Just stating an opinion, not looking for flames

[vincent7]

And in this one.. you can't level offline, which I don't get at all! There is a level for offline and online, I don't see the freaking point.

You can level offline. Defeat an enemy character and the deck they are using in Story mode. The enemy character and their deck will become available for battle. Make a one-player Free Battle mode to defeat them and try to get a better rank and more CLv EXPs. Higher ranking gets more cards. Higher CLvs get better type cards.

I think, the US game manual does not describe 1P Free Battle. I had to explain this on the SEGA boards' PSO forum, also. :?

Is this what you meant?

Or was your meaning that offline and online CLvs are separate? CLvs do change anything except the types of cards you receive at the end of a battle. It does nothing else.

[Mattl90]

:?: why would you discuss ways it could be better? I mean it already been realeased....

(sorry just wanted to say that) also. i will state my opinion. it is a good game. ( everyone likes different things too. some like strategy and some like hack and slash) so, why are we fighting? it is just different opinions.

[Ashley]

We're not fighting, we're have a discussion lol :eek:

[Vahagn500]

Vincent, thanks a lot. I did not know that. It makes more sense now, thank you

[Ashley]

As a sidenote...You have the A capitalized as well in CAlifornia.

[Vahagn500]

yes I know, thank you :D

[Ashley]

Is like since California is abbriviated for CA?


Sidenote: Since you're in the DDR capital of the United States, do you play DDR?! :eek:

[Vahagn500]

Lol no I don't play but I know like 10 people that are ranked in the top 20 in the nation.

It is amazing to watch them play that game, I lose track of their movement because they are so fast

[Ashley]

lol I am probably like the 3rd best in our town in my age group. Maybe like the 4th or 5th best in our whole town lol. It's a small town, but I'm pretty good ^^ :eek:

[Branskins]

Ashley when is PSO 3 coming to moscow?

[Ashley]

I don't actually live in Moscow :P but it's such a cool name and I love Cows [and chicken, can't forget about chickens] I actually live in Texas lol Texas isn't as bad as you think, it's not like a desert. That would be in New Mexico and Arizona. Try going from California to Texas or vice-versa. It's a 3 day drive with 2 day desert lol. ^^

[Vahagn500]

yeah.. I was wondering how you knew so much about American things and the fact that you mentioned a blockbuster..... in Moscow

[Ashley]

lol..I look on a map but I couldn't find Moscow, then one of my girlfriends said it's a state!! Of all things a state!! What country is Moscow in then? :?:

[Vahagn500]

Last time I checked it was in Russia

[Ashley]

Russia? Isn't Russia like a big ol' country? So it would be like Moscow, Russia? Like California, USA? ...I'm so confused. :?: :eek:

[Vahagn500]

yeah I believe it is like that

[Ashley]

Alrighty, well I like the sound of Moscow better than Moscow,Russia ^^ I'll stick with just Moscow ^^ :eek:

[Vahagn500]

But then I don't understand why you put Moscow instead of texas..

[Ashley]

Because I like cows [and chickens] and I like how Moscow sounds...say it to yourself...Mos.....coooooow.. Moscow ^^

[Vahagn500]

Ah.... I get it now

[Branskins]

Moscow is the capital of Russia. That is where the Kremlin is located.

[Ashley]

I don't know what a Kremlin is...is it like a Gremlin? lol cousin or something...anyways I never knew that's the capital!! I was hoping it was a small town... I like small towns..... Guess I'll have to look for a smaller town/city whatever lol :eek: :D

[Nintendork]

What happened to the game discussion? Anyway, in my opinion, it depends on what type of games you like more- if you like strategical, turn-based RPGs (like I do), Episode III would probably be best. If you like action and thinking fast games more, I & II are probably better.

[Mr Crono]

I don't like it at all. I don't understand how fans of the old one can like it either. Everything is just so slow paced, battles take too long, the graphics haven't even been improved, and IT'S A CARD GAME! Don't get me wrong I love strategy games... but when they are this SLOW PACED, quite frankly I hate them.

The fast paced monster bashing action of the first one is all gone... hell I even liked the player vs player battle in the first one as well because it was FAST and to the point.

And in this one.. you can't level offline, which I don't get at all! There is a level for offline and online, I don't see the freaking point.


Well, I don't recommend this game to anyone, if you liked the old one then stick to it. PSO 3 is just too different from pso 1 and 2 to be similar.


One expression sega should heed to, "IF IT AIN'T BROKE, DON'T FIX IT!" :x

Actually, it was broke and they fixed it ;)

[Nintendork]

I don't like it at all. I don't understand how fans of the old one can like it either. Everything is just so slow paced, battles take too long, the graphics haven't even been improved, and IT'S A CARD GAME! Don't get me wrong I love strategy games... but when they are this SLOW PACED, quite frankly I hate them.

The fast paced monster bashing action of the first one is all gone... hell I even liked the player vs player battle in the first one as well because it was FAST and to the point.

And in this one.. you can't level offline, which I don't get at all! There is a level for offline and online, I don't see the freaking point.


Well, I don't recommend this game to anyone, if you liked the old one then stick to it. PSO 3 is just too different from pso 1 and 2 to be similar.


One expression sega should heed to, "IF IT AIN'T BROKE, DON'T FIX IT!" :x

Actually, it was broke and they fixed it ;)Although I don't agree with that, nice comeback! :wink: And Vahagn, although it wasn't broken, no reason in not making adjustments to make it work better. :lol:

[Vahagn500]

Ninten. They didn't "adjust" it. They changed the whole da-mn thing.

Cant believe I paid 50 bucks for this. I force myself to play it but I just hate it so much and my HL for pso 1 and 2 doesnt work so I am pretty much fu-cked. I guess I'll play some warcraft 3 or something

[Byrne]

You are becoming a troll. We know you do not like the game. Why do you keep visiting this thread and talking about the game if you hate it so much? Go visit a forum/thread that highlights a game you actually do enjoy.

[PSOXtreme]

Hmmm...hard to say. Others opinions ARE allowed on the boards, as long as you dont discriminate, flame, or harass.

My opinion is that im glad there its a stragety game. This way, you can always go back to 1+2 if you want, and then go back to 3, etc. Too much of the same thing isnt always good, and I like the change! (Now I just need to get the game...)

[Vahagn500]

You are becoming a troll. We know you do not like the game. Why do you keep visiting this thread and talking about the game if you hate it so much? Go visit a forum/thread that highlights a game you actually do enjoy.

Being troll would mean I would have 200+ posts by now

[dragonblue]

hehe. Rather amusing.

I have to agree with you Vahagn. The reasons I don't plan to get it were the same as yours. It's just to slow for me, plus battles take way too long. I haven't demo it yet but from what I have seen it looks okay graphic wise. Say can you put a time limit on matches?

[Vahagn500]

No you can't limit your matches.

Don't get me wrong I like strategy games but this isn't really strategy and it is quite slow like I mentioned before.

They took too steep of a turn from an action game to a card game..

fu-kk I still can't get over the stupid fact that it is a card game (sigh)

No matter how you look at it, it is just an overglorified card game.. nothing more

[bluerouge106]

Yes you can change the time limit on matchs check rules out sometime in Free Battle you pretty much can change everything you want.

[Nintendork]

No you can't limit your matches.

Don't get me wrong I like strategy games but this isn't really strategy and it is quite slow like I mentioned before.

They took too steep of a turn from an action game to a card game..

fu-kk I still can't get over the stupid fact that it is a card game (sigh)

No matter how you look at it, it is just an overglorified card game.. nothing moreUmmmm... strategy games are kinda slow. You must not have played many strategy games, considering you think this one is too slow.

[Vahagn500]

Actually I have played countless strategy games ranging from starcraft to command and conquer to warcraft 3.

They are all action packed and the battles fast paced

I don't really know what kind of strategy games you are refering to

[Nintendork]

I'm reffering to tactics kind of games (ex. Final Fantasy Tactics).

[Vahagn500]

Sorry I don't play tactics for the same reason I stopped playing pso 3... it's very slow

[NeoFan]

Well there ya go. Thats his style and his opinion. I don't see any trolling there. Maybe I'm missing something? : )

[dragonblue]

hehe Starcraft eh. I still play that game. I've been playing it more often as of late. It's a really good game.

[Vahagn500]

hehe Starcraft eh. I still play that game. I've been playing it more often as of late. It's a really good game.

Yeah it is, too bad I have to wait 3+ years before they even consider about making a second one. They are super busy with world of warcraft and starcraft ghost at the moment

[dragonblue]

And they say patience is a virtue...

[Vahagn500]

GRR I wish my hunter's license worked for pso 1 and 2.

My force would go so well with your high level hunter.

[muscarellajc]

Well, this is my first post on these "new" boards. Most people from the old boards should remember me. Well, I got PSO Ep. III and I've just started playing it. First off, it seems Sega may have put more effort into the storymode of this game, so far its been pretty engaging, but I'm only 4 missions into the game. As far as battles go, some strategy is required, but when you mainly have to deal with the cards you have, not much strategy is available, its more based on luck and common sense. The battles are slow paced but this is to be expected with strategy battles, but once you get used to it, it speeds up quite a bit.

I was a bit disappointed to know that the character you created has basically nothing to do with the game. You take the role as the commander who has no part in battle at all. One good thing about this is you no longer have to hear the arguments over "Which character class is teh best to create?". This idea is now just based on looks, not abilities.

I was also disappointed to notice that you can't explore the world, not that there was much of a world to explore in Ep. I&II, but this time you only explore Pioneer 2, or the Arks base on Ragol (Which basically are the same, just slightly different in colors and citizens)

As far as gaining levels, it really doesnt affect your stats. However, higher C-levels get you better cards. It does suck that online and offline levels are separate, so you cant raise your C-lvl offline and hope when you get online, you could win awesome cards.

Battles are done by quests and missions, and so far it doesnt seem like I can repeat any mission, maybe when they are all completed, or later ones will be repeatable.

As far as the game goes, overall, if you've played a strategy game and liked it, you will probably like this one. I personally enjoy it, but I wonder on what the online portion really offers, other than battles with other players. If the online mode offers, dare I say it, downloadable content or online missions, then it will be worth more to go online. However, for the time being, I'm not sure if I'll ever go online with it. If I do, it's probably a good thing that Ep. I&II HL is the same one, so I might be back on the never-ending hack-n-slash, if I decide to stay away from FFXI, enjoying it too much.

Also, I would just like to say hello, whats up, and great seeing everyone who knows me. And to future people who may get to know, pleasant gaming.

[Nintendork]

Firstly, with what you said about the cards, you actually do have to put strategy into the cards you have (so you can't really plan something ahead of time, you have to wait until you know what your cards are). I think the reason offline and online battling have different levels is so you can't just fight yourself a bunch, get the experience and cards and bring 'em online, but I know eventually they're gonna come up with some lame word for "giving someone levels for free" like I already know they're going to do in the future. I was going to say something else, but I forgot. Oh, and anyways, hello.

[Branskins]

The more I play this game the more I love it!

[Vahagn500]

The more I play this game the more I love it!

(sigh) I wish it was the same for me.

Oh well, I guess I will try to sell the game back or sell it to one of my friends

[Mr Crono]

Actually, there are two kinds of Stategy games. Real Time Strategy games (RTS) and Turn-Based. RTS games are like Warcraft or Starcraft, while turn-based are like this, FF Tactics, or Shining Force (Which is my favorite game on the Genisis). I guess it just depends on personal taste, just like how some people just dont like RPG's in general.

[Vahagn500]

No, I like rpg's. Just not the ones using cards -_-

[muscarellajc]

Well, let me just change something I said, I said it was more luck than strategy, well, let's just reverse that. Luck doesnt have much to do with it, but there isnt as much strategy needed as you would need in games like FF Tactics and Shining Force. The most strategy comes from trying to perform the most effective actions while trying to maintain in the amount of things you can do. You roll a die which determines how many action points you have. Moving one space takes one point, attacking with a weapon uses one point. Equipping items or summoning monsters take different amounts of points, depending on the card. Action cards also require different amounts of points. The startegy mainly lies in trying not to use up all your points equipping/summoning and moving so you can still attack, if you choose too. If the points were'nt there, the strategy wouldnt be there.

Now the luck comes in with getting high point rolls, and cards with low costs in the beginning of the battle. Getting rolls of 6 instead of 3 and getting your first cards as costs 1 or 2 instead of 3 or 4 or higher. High cost cards can be turn killers by the way, if your not careful.

But anyway, its an interesting combination and the game actually ties the use of cards into the storyline. It's worth a play at least. Even if you dont ever go online, offline seems to make it decent enough to entertain you like a basic RPG.

[HucastgebII]

so far im liking the game... yeah its slow paced, and the graphics havent changed, but i am enjoying the strategy and .... its pso
i mean come on.



pso!


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[Vahagn500]

yes it's pso..

a mutated, card version of pso...

if that's still pso..

[Nintendork]

yes it's pso..

a mutated, card version of pso...

if that's still pso..Ummm... if you don't know if it's PSO or not, I'd suggest you ask anyone else on this board. In fact, I'll tell you- it is. Do you know the name of the game?

[Vahagn500]

if a game is made well.. the next episode of the game should appeal to someone who enjoyed the previous episode.

[muscarellajc]

You really cant argue that. How many people who got PSO for the Dreamcast were disappointed to find out that it was pretty much nothing like the original Phantasy Star games. So Sega changed the system again, big deal. We may be the people who buy the games, but Sega are the ones who make it. If they decide to change it then so be it. So its cards, for the most part, it still works out fine and is very interesting and fun. The change worked out all right. Sega still hasnt done what I thought was wrong with the original PSO, but this new game system isnt all that bad. In fact, this new card system kind of eliminates the old, repetitive actions in Ep. I&II. Each battle and experience is different from the last. To me, this is what counts.

As for what I want Sega to do, I want a huge expansive world to explore, much like in real MMORPGs. FFXI, Everquest, DAOC, and so on. This just increases the fun factor and overall experience of a game. Exploration is just fun.

[Nintendork]

I agree with you on the exploration things, but don't make it too big- it's just annoying walking so much in Final Fantasy Xi, but I guess that's what makes it realistic...

[dragonblue]

It all really comes down to your preference in the end. Everyone has their own style of gameplay and everyone should learn that. People get offended if one person says they don't like the game cause it didn't appeal to them. I'm tend to test out a game before I give a good decision on it.

[Remliel]

Agreed. People all have their preferences. However, it's a bit late to complain about how Sega 'should' have made PSO3 (Because it's not like they're going to rerelease it).

I, for one, enjoy this much more than the previous ones. There's only so much hack and slashing one can take, really.

In PSO3, you can have much more strategy. Luck is involved, yes, but if you build your deck to account for it, you will see where the real skill and tactical thought lies. Positioning, attack bluffing, where and when to expend resources... It's everything I liked in a collectible card game, but I only have to pay for it once!

[Nintendork]

but I only have to pay for it once!?

[Remliel]

but I only have to pay for it once!?

Unlike normal CCGs, where I need to pay to get more cards, I can kick back and play offline all I want. The online charge is for server maintenance and administration (which is very reasonable. Most MMOs charge 15ish). It'll probably take me a while to get all the cards, too. :D

[Nintendork]

Oh, I see, you meant with booster packs and stuff. I was thinking just having to pay for the game once, and I'm like "are you getting a better deal than us!?!" :lol: I'd rather get as many booster packs as I wanted for around nine dollars a month than have to buy each one.

[Remliel]

Oh, I see, you meant with booster packs and stuff. I was thinking just having to pay for the game once, and I'm like "are you getting a better deal than us!?!" :lol: I'd rather get as many booster packs as I wanted for around nine dollars a month than have to buy each one.

Exactly! :D

[Alisha]

No you can't limit your matches.

Don't get me wrong I like strategy games but this isn't really strategy and it is quite slow like I mentioned before.

They took too steep of a turn from an action game to a card game..

fu-kk I still can't get over the stupid fact that it is a card game (sigh)

No matter how you look at it, it is just an overglorified card game.. nothing more

comments like that lead me to beleive you never played the game,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

[Vahagn500]

No you can't limit your matches.

Don't get me wrong I like strategy games but this isn't really strategy and it is quite slow like I mentioned before.

They took too steep of a turn from an action game to a card game..

fu-kk I still can't get over the stupid fact that it is a card game (sigh)

No matter how you look at it, it is just an overglorified card game.. nothing more

comments like that lead me to beleive you never played the game,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

I dont judge games without playing them. That 50 buck piece of sh.it is gathering dust as I type this

[vhan]

uote="Branskins"]
PSO 1 & 2 was a hack and slash which got very tedious. Any person can just pick up the controller and press A and X over and over to beat the game. PSO3 takes it to the next step and makes it not so easy.[/quote]


I agree with Branskins. With the new battle systom it makes the game more competitve.It also keeps the game new and fresh.In outhr words each battle is more personl.