Rumor: Nintendo & Square Remake Classic Titles for GC

[KingJ2002]

Take this with a grain of salt people.. don't run around like this is true *yet* :wink:

There is a rumor running around the internet that Square Enix & Nintendo are remaking Final Fantasy 7, 8, and 9 for the Nintendo GameCube. Nintendo is mostly flipping the bill because it's being done thru the Q-Fund which means Game Designers Studio (the people who made FF:CC) will most likely be developing the titles. So far nothing is known besides that the rumor was started by a few nintendo reps telling GameStop managers that this is happening *as we speak*.

[RobotRob86]

Well, what else would Game Designer Studio be doing? I mean, besides an original title. With the Q Fund at their disposal, and a bunch of free time, I think they have no right to stand by and do nothing. Besides, it's a Ninty owned dev team inside Square-Enix, so I know Nintendo won't let them rest.

[Nyceane]

probably port, not remake

[gaunletlegends]

Holy :):):):) remakes would be awesome. I definately believe this possible, espechily with Final Fantasy Crystal Cronicle's great sales.

[Link]

ooooo FF7 in Gamecube graphics *drools*

[straycat]

I guess i m the only one who tires of rehashes.

Hey look heres a proven product, lets rehash it instead of pushing new boundries..

[Nyceane]

it wont be remake, the most it can get is a port...

[Zero]

Hmm,

It'll prolly be a port, I agree. I also remember hearing, before the PS2, that Square was going to release every FF in a special library for teh PS2.

- Zero

[zeronumber]

I'd rather a new game then a port.

If ports did come out, I would only check out ff7 and ff9...
That's about it.

[Zero]

Well,

If anything they might see how well it sells then develop a sequal to FF7. Yes, yes I know they are making FF7: Advent Children, but the idea has been tossed around.

- Zero

[Night]

Holy *** remakes would be awesome. I definately believe this possible, espechily with Final Fantasy Crystal Cronicle's great sales.



Great sales?

[DarkLink]

That would be a dream come true. I never played FF7 and I would love playing FF8 and FF9 with GC graphics. I Hope what you're saying is true.

[M-PG71C]

If they remade it, like the RE remake or MGS:TTS, then that's fine. If they port it, then it's a waste of time.

[Nyceane]

port usually dont sell much, but enough to hit somewhere around 500,000 to 1 million, for FF series I am pretty sure it get a lot of scores

[zeronumber]

You know what would have been cool....
If you pre ordered ffcc, you got bonus discs featuring ff7.

Much like the windwaker promo.

[Nyceane]

yah, but I doubt it, Square will try to make money off ports, and CC isn't sqeual to VII, storyline has nothing to do with each other...

unlike OoT and WW, WW is 100 years after OoT

[zeronumber]

yah, but I doubt it, Square will try to make money off ports, and CC isn't sqeual to VII, storyline has nothing to do with each other...

unlike OoT and WW, WW is 100 years after OoT

Yeah but you do see the connection right...
ff7 is better then ff: cc

Just like OOt was beter then windwaker.

[gaunletlegends]

Holy *** remakes would be awesome. I definately believe this possible, espechily with Final Fantasy Crystal Cronicle's great sales.



Great sales?

Is there an echo in here?

[DarkLink]

Yeah that would be pretty cool. Who cares about that stupid connection cable? If they actually gave away FF7 with FFCC I would have pre-ordered it already. I don't even feel like buying FFCC anymore. I might get it someday at a reduced price.

[Nyceane]

Yeah that would be pretty cool. Who cares about that stupid connection cable? If they actually gave away FF7 with FFCC I would have pre-ordered it already. I don't even feel like buying FFCC anymore. I might get it someday at a reduced price.


get it, its a great game

[gaunletlegends]

I guess i m the only one who tires of rehashes.

Hey look heres a proven product, lets rehash it instead of pushing new boundries..


How is remaking a classic series of games for a new generation a rehash?

[Camron Kosciozko]

Holy *** remakes would be awesome. I definately believe this possible, espechily with Final Fantasy Crystal Cronicle's great sales.

Link?

I never was into final fantasy so my input wouldnt matter but personally, there are way too many remakes comming out on GC. hopefully Square-enix doesnt add to the resume because then people will go around saying all Gc has is remakes and gba games on it, much like people say all xbox has is pc games and fps's.

[KingJ2002]

i got this rumor on the ign boards... if you are a insider i'll hit you up with the link.

[gaunletlegends]

"Link?

I never was into final fantasy so my input wouldnt matter but personally, there are way too many remakes comming out on GC. hopefully Square-enix doesnt add to the resume because then people will go around saying all Gc has is remakes and gba games on it, much like people say all xbox has is pc games and fps's."

Well, in Japan, FFCC sold over 300,000 units, which is truthfully great, considdering the small Gamecube fanbase in Japan, and considdering that 300,000 is a great number anyway! In America, if it sells....say...500,000 units (IF, IF IF. I'm not saying it did, but it's possible) that will be 800,000. That's great for a single-platform game. Final Fantasy Crystal Cronicles did better in Japan than Sonic Heroes did in the US!
I don't have a link, but it was released in Japan in the summer, (or fall) I believe, so you can look it up. (I don't know where to go for sales figures)

[gaunletlegends]

Holy *** remakes would be awesome. I definately believe this possible, espechily with Final Fantasy Crystal Cronicle's great sales.

Link?

I never was into final fantasy so my input wouldnt matter but personally, there are way too many remakes comming out on GC. hopefully Square-enix doesnt add to the resume because then people will go around saying all Gc has is remakes and gba games on it, much like people say all xbox has is pc games and fps's.

So what? You shouldn't care what people think of your system. If losers like night and truegamer want to diss Xbox's games by making generalizations, let them. You shouldn't care what they thing. Gamecube's only had 2 remakes (Resident Evil, and Metal Gear Solid,) So I don't see why you say there are too many remakes on Gamecube. But also, this remake, which has been hoped for for years, would get much attention, but in a great way. People are DYING to play FF7, FF8, and FF9 with voices, facial animations, more features, more sidequests, etc. People really want this. This isn't something that would be shrugged off. This would be HUGE.

[veterangamer]

Just RE and MGS (the ONLY TWO remakes on GC thus far) HA i'm glad i'm not the only one who sees that.

[DarkShadow]

I'm a gamestop manager why didn't I hear this??
Liar!!!!!



j/k.. I'm not.. lol

[zeronumber]

No they have 3 remakes

Twin Snakes, Resident Evil, And Sonic Adventure Dx.

Gcn does have it's fair share of rehash "enhanced" ports

Like sonic adventure 2 battle, skies of arcadia legends, Zelda Ocarina of Time Master Quest, phantasy star online e1, and e2, etc.

[HelloKittty]

*cough* if squares gonna remake those games they need to remake smrpglot7s

[veterangamer]

yup. just like Metal Gear Solid 2: Substance, Genma Onimusha, Star Wars Starfighter Special Edition, Tony Hawk's Pro Skater 2X, and BTW, PSO EP I & II is multiplat. :wink:

[HelloKittty]

u ppl think i just made up a long acronym for a game huh? lol

[gaunletlegends]

Sonic Adventure DX was not a remake, but an "enhanced" port. A remake would be if they completely remade the game from scratch with Sonic Adventure 2-graphics.

[zeronumber]

Sonic Adventure DX was not a remake, but an "enhanced" port. A remake would be if they completely remade the game from scratch with Sonic Adventure 2-graphics.

Well, it wouldn't be an enhanced port, enhanced ports just have more content, even though it doesn't look it, sonic adventure dx character levels were re-done from scratch...

[gaunletlegends]

Sonic Adventure DX was not a remake, but an "enhanced" port. A remake would be if they completely remade the game from scratch with Sonic Adventure 2-graphics.

Well, it wouldn't be an enhanced port, enhanced ports just have more content, even though it doesn't look it, sonic adventure dx character levels were re-done from scratch...

Again, not a remake. A remake- the game is re-made. Sonic DX was not re-made.

[zeronumber]

The character models were reamde...
And the levels were givien more textures,

Granted, this is a pretty damn lousy remake, but it's a remake none the less.

Sonic adventure 2 b would be an enhanced port because all it really featured was more 2p content, and a few bonuses here and there, boards and levels weren't re done, and character models weren't buffed up.

[gaunletlegends]

The character models were reamde...
And the levels were givien more textures,

Granted, this is a pretty damn lousy remake, but it's a remake none the less.

Sonic adventure 2 b would be an enhanced port because all it really featured was more 2p content, and a few bonuses here and there, boards and levels weren't re done, and character models weren't buffed up.

Character models were improved in cutscenes. Cutscenes featured advanced character models. So yes, they were improved. (in cutscenes only, though)

But truthfully, a remake is not an improved port, like SADX was. Ask anyone. Make a survey, and ask if Sonic Adventure DX was a remake or an enhanced port. Trust me, it is an enhanced port. A remake means the game has to be fully remade from scratch, basically, not

ported, and inserting some better character models and improving some better textures. That would be a port.

[zeronumber]

I still think it's a remake, because this game was originallly suppose to look and play better then the dreamcast version.

The character models both in cutscenes and in gameplay were improved, not by much, but were improved, look at screens of dreamcast sonic model, and then gamecubes sonic model... The characters are better proportioned and have more detail.
The game was even given the ability to play at 60fps...

Unfortuanatley, this is sonic team were talking about.
A remake should be given at least 2 years in development, instead they didn't bother to really fix any problems, and what should be the dramatic improvement turns lackluster, and thus the remakes looks and plays no better then an enhanced port.

Sonic team is the worst developer for sega...
Which is the shame because they are the flagship company of sega.

[dreamcast]

yo :lol: :oops: :roll: :x :shock: :wink: :?:

[Camron Kosciozko]

what the....

If its an enhanced port, then it essectially is a remake. Look at MGS:TT. Thats an enhanced port of a remake.

Every remake isnt necessarily an enhanced port, but remakes are ports if they hit other systems because its the same game on a new machine.

[gaunletlegends]

what the....

If its an enhanced port, then it essectially is a remake. Look at MGS:TT. Thats an enhanced port of a remake.

Every remake isnt necessarily an enhanced port, but remakes are ports if they hit other systems because its the same game on a new machine.


Yes, remakes are often ports. but ports aren't ever remakes. If Super Monkey Ball was ported to Xbox, but featured some improved textures, it would not be a remake. It would be a GOOD PORT.

Resident Evil was not ported to Gamecube, but REMADE. They remade the entire game. On Gamecube.

[zeronumber]

No, twin snakes is a total remake...

It's going from 700 thousand polygons per second, to 14 million polygons per second, the whole game, voices, engine are being totally redone.

[Camron Kosciozko]

yea it is. Thats why i said an enhanced port is a remake. Its like conkers on xbox. They are uppin the graphical touches and adding options, but its still the same game. It applies to sonic and Mgs.

A port is the exact same game.

[zeronumber]

Basically a port, enhanced, or remake all mean but one thing, rehash.

[gaunletlegends]

yea it is. Thats why i said an enhanced port is a remake. Its like conkers on xbox. They are uppin the graphical touches and adding options, but its still the same game. It applies to sonic and Mgs.

A port is the exact same game.

Then what's a remake?




Basically a port, enhanced, or remake all mean but one thing, rehash.

No, a rehash would be what Nintendo did with 1080 and Mario Kart Double Dash. A rehash is a sequal that plays identically to the previous game, without anything in it to take the series forward. If Nintendo released another Mario Kart game, that played identically to Double Dash, except with different levels, it would be a rehash.

A port is just porting a game to another system, not rehashing the formula.

A remake is completely rebuilding the game. A remake isn't necessarily a port, because remakes could possibly happen on the same system. (although it's not likely, it is possible) meaning a remake isn't necessarily a port.

[zeronumber]

Remakes are ports.
If you still have the same gameplay and storyline it's still a port.
Granted it's a better port, but port none the less.

[gaunletlegends]

Remakes are ports.
If you still have the same gameplay and storyline it's still a port.
Granted it's a better port, but port none the less.

Ok, Remakes are considered ports. But PORTS AREN'T CONSIDERED REMAKES. Sonic Adventure DX is NOT a remake, but a port.

[zeronumber]

Ok, let's both try to agree on the definitions here.

Port - Now a port is just something, just ported out from another console.
Ehanced port - Much like above, but content was imporved, and/or expanded.
Remake- Port that is remade from scratch.

Hows that?

[gaunletlegends]

GOOD.

[KingJ2002]

The only official remakes the GC has gotten were Resident Evil & Metal Gear Solid: Twin Snakes.

everything esle was just ported... enhanced or not.

[veterangamer]

hmmm looks like I was right the first time.

[RobotRob86]

Why not a remake? They already have all the necessary engines up and running, aside from a turn-based fighting system. All they'd have to do is augment the current FFCC engines and rebuild them to either incorporate a fixed camera (original FFVII) or behind the back view (like FFX). I make it sound easy, but it isn't. Still it would take maybe a year and a half, perfect for either the release of N5 or a last ditch game for the GCN.

[gaunletlegends]

I think it would give N5 an amazing launch.

[RobotRob86]

Yes. It would make Ninty's launch oh so much more complete. Now if they shell out some dough for that Madden exclusivity upon launch I always preach about. They would dominate out of the starting gates. Oh, and let's not forget a Smash Brothers and Mario game, and a random SEGA title. That, some further EA support, some good Activision support (Half-Life 2 is gonna be on N5, it was announced), the dropping of the GBA connectivity gimmick and gaining of a comprehensible online plan. They can do this. All they have to do is take the wind out of Sony's sails.

[straycat]

Yeah all they have to do is take away one of the best selling franchises on sony and they re on there way.... NIN wouldnt even come close to paying the Madden franchise what its worth...


Might as well just go after EA

[RobotRob86]

True, but they've pulled miracle deals with EA before. How about instead of a promised 20 games, they get a promised one that's exclusive. It doesn't even have to be permanently exclusive. Just long enough for the N5 to bask in great sales. The developers decide who wins. If Ninty promises to pay for development and allows them to have some say in developing the N5, I think EA would be willing to give it a shot.

[straycat]

You know. If you said any game BUT MAdden, i mighta considered it. What Madden sold how many million on ps2 in 2 two months? what 2 or 3 million? EA wouldnt wanna trade GAURANTEED sales, for a few bucks as an exclusive. Next year hard to tell though, because Madden 2004 was a brilliant game. It fixed 90% of the problems the game had. Next year could just be HO HUM. I bought madden this year but wont buy it next year.

I dont think NIN is willing to shell out the bucks honestly.

[RobotRob86]

Well, they complained the most about their controllers not being adequate enough for sports titles. They may be willing. They may not. I'm just saying to gain a definite victory, they're going to need a prestigious sports title such as Madden at launch, preferably with exclusivity (either permanent or temporary).

[straycat]

I just dont think that MAdden exclusivity would guarantee console sales. Its not like a new Zelda or HAlO or something. I just dont think enough NIN fans would buy the game otherwise.

[RobotRob86]

Exactly, Straycat. Ninty fans WOULDN'T buy into it. OTHER gamers would. Nintendo wants to attract the same audience that gave the XBox a good running. If they snatch gamers from the competition, it's a double positive. I'm not saying they should do all these things for their fans, but that the end result would be more games for the fans that want them. Like it or not, the casual gamer rules the industry. Madden and a select few other franchises would be ideal games to harness this demographic.

[straycat]

but......


Maddens huge PS2 appeal is the ability to play online.... It didnt sell at all on Xbox because they didnt offer an online option....ONLINE

ONLINE

theres that dirty word ONLINE

[nintendo1224]

maybe

[RobotRob86]

And word is that N5 will have online. But regardless of this rumor's truth, I did say as one of my other stipulations that Ninty brings to the table a solid online plan. Still better yet, PS2 at best has 1 million players online at the same time. Maybe a large fraction of the PS2 sales came from online, but not most of them.

[zeronumber]

hm....

[veterangamer]

Exactly, Straycat. Ninty fans WOULDN'T buy into it. OTHER gamers would. Nintendo wants to attract the same audience that gave the XBox a good running. If they snatch gamers from the competition, it's a double positive. I'm not saying they should do all these things for their fans, but that the end result would be more games for the fans that want them. Like it or not, the casual gamer rules the industry. Madden and a select few other franchises would be ideal games to harness this demographic.


That could happen ROB. But to be honest with ya. I know EXACTLY what Nintendo needs and i'll give you a hint (it's been hot for PS2, and it's hot on XBOX right now) What i'm talkin about???? Two words: ROCKSTAR GAMES!!!!! That's exactly what Nintendo needs to get the eyes of the casual gamer! An all new game, or a Max Payne, GTA (spinoff or even a remake of one of the first 2 GTA's) would get attention similar to what's happening with Resident Evil, Final Fantasy, and Metal Gear Solid making their Nintendo console appearances. Let's face it when it comes to HYPED, ANTCIPATED games, rockstar's are the gaping hole that separates Nintendo's console audience from that of PS2 and XBOX. It's a simple formula. You want the gamers???? Get them the game's they want to play. And in this case, especially when it comes to multiplats's. Rockstar games tops that list and it's what exactly Nintendo needs - a popular EXCLUSIVE ROCKSTAR GAME at the N5's launch. The HYPE, and bandwagon jumpin causual gamers will come if Nintendo actually does somethin like this. Only then will they be considered more "COOL" rather than "KIDDY" and it's up to the Big N (not fans nor fanboys) to change that.

[therealxteboy]

Well, they complained the most about their controllers not being adequate enough for sports titles. They may be willing. They may not. I'm just saying to gain a definite victory, they're going to need a prestigious sports title such as Madden at launch, preferably with exclusivity (either permanent or temporary).

a Madden exclusivity at launch????....lol....keep it real, robotrob, paying for that exclusivity will surely cost MORE than what they spent on the N5 research and production.....and is it really worth it???, Nintendo fanatics will just buy another Mario game than a football game anytime of the day......LOL...and besides with the HUGE following of Xbox and PS2 from sports fans, i dont even EA will stop and think about this deal regardless of price......and besides can Nintendo pay for the MILLIONS that EA will LOSE if Madden didnt click at all with their console, and to think that Madden 2005 might not even go to GC this year makes this deal an impossibility.....LOL....

[GamingAtheist]

Remakes are ports.
If you still have the same gameplay and storyline it's still a port.
Granted it's a better port, but port none the less.

I hate to revive the really run-on topic, but a remake doesn't necesarily mean it's a port, though why'd you remake a game on the same system is beyond me. A remake just means the game was re-made, most likely to be better than the original, like Substence (not saying it was re-made, just given more options/gameplay/cut-scenes) or whatever else MGS2 has spawned.

[straycat]

still a rehash....

[gaunletlegends]

still a rehash....

.....no....

[straycat]

Actually your right. Taking an old game, with old chars, with an old story and making new again is the MOST original thing i ve ever seen. Not one lil bit of rehash. I guess thats the strategy on not milking franchises huh? Who wants new games when they can just keep taking old games and fixing them up...

[Camron Kosciozko]

:lol:

your sarcasm is killin me stray,

Anyway lets not get into the port, rehash and remake arguement again. We should all be clear by now which is which.

[RobotRob86]

Actually your right. Taking an old game, with old chars, with an old story and making new again is the MOST original thing i ve ever seen. Not one lil bit of rehash. I guess thats the strategy on not milking franchises huh? Who wants new games when they can just keep taking old games and fixing them up...

And yet people were all excited about the SEGA revivals being on XBox and PS2. Let's not forget that Halo is Half-Life with prettier graphics and fewer, less creative weapons with next to no MOD potential (actually, it's Marathon 4).

Remakes aren't meant to cater to everyone. Sure it would be nice for everyone to like them, but they're mostly for the fans. If you complain about the same gameplay, repetition is how genres are made. Besides, I never heard anyone claim that Shakespeare's plays were rehash, despite the fact that he follows the same plot formula EVERY TIME. They're considered classics. Exposition, rising action, climax, falling action, resolution. Five Acts. Find ONE play of his that doesn't.

Remakes are meant to pay homage to a great game. It's like the new age adaptations of Shakespeare's plays. It's to show the universality of the pieces. In a way, remakes allow developers to shout "It's still good", while still presenting something fresh. But let's not forget that developers this generation responsible for remakes have always decided to change up the environments and gameplay to make them new all over again. Hmmmm... in most instances, even the story has been changed around to accomodate these changes. Or in Metroid Zero Mission's case, a story was brought to life and elaborated upon.

All I have to say is, remakes are fine, if enough work is put into them. It's when you start getting crappy remakes or weak ports that it becomes troubling and irritating.

[KingJ2002]

even though EA sports N5 exclusive would be a big selling point i doubt it would happen seeing EA's mutliplatform stance and their relationship with sony.


then again money talks... we've seen it with rockstar and sony and microsoft / every japanese company developing on xbox.

[straycat]

On that note halo is an entirelly diffrent story than half life. If you wanted to say everythings been done, you could simply pigeonhole everything is a ripoff or shooters, racers, fighters, etc. Halo2 will be a new story and will be looking sweet. whereas the FFs will be remakes of the originals. SAME STORY and CHARS, but better looking. Would i still find HALO12 as the deal? no probley not. A played out franchise is a played out franchise. *cough*CAPCOM*cough* I didnt buy a GC so i could play games i ve owned on ps1 since 97.. Its NINTENDO you know king of ORIGINALITY. Honestly i think snake eater will be better than twin snakes, because its a NEW story not a spiffy looking rehash. I just dont understand the way the company is going. Playing it safe putting out old games that no one can be bothered to play now for 5 or 10 bucks.... and people will pay 50 for next year and it ll be the greatest game ever............ anyway jesus, didnt most people on this board go on about FF being the most over rated heap ever like less than 6 months ago, and now its coming to GC and everyone is stoked? Come on.
You right i m sure GC is putting out the series as a homage and not try to play it safe and rake in some big bucks.

[zeronumber]

Actually your right. Taking an old game, with old chars, with an old story and making new again is the MOST original thing i ve ever seen. Not one lil bit of rehash. I guess thats the strategy on not milking franchises huh? Who wants new games when they can just keep taking old games and fixing them up...

Damn, some serious ownage there.
But I agree with you...
These games were classics, if you just remake them they sorta lose their specialness...

Even if it sounds wierd its the bad graphics and corny sounds that sorta made the game great...you know?

[RobotRob86]

"On that note halo is an entirelly diffrent story than half life. If you wanted to say everythings been done, you could simply pigeonhole everything is a ripoff or shooters, racers, fighters, etc."

Not necessarily. There are MANY parallels to Half-Life made in Halo. The Flood is nothing but headcrab and zombie imitations from Half-Life, and they make up a good majority of the game. Sure they have some original concepts within the initial "rehash" (I'd call it a tribute) like exploding headcrab pods, but this can be paralleled with the Crimson heads from Resident Evil REmake. The Covenant main troops (not the midgets) look very similar to the Alien Slave character models from Half-Life. The unexplained desire the Covanent has for destroying mankind also parallels the aliens in Half-Life's intentions. The one primary, one secondary weapon idea was done before Halo, in Counterstrike, a Half-Life mod. In this same mod, vehicles were implemented (something Halo is known for).



"Halo2 will be a new story and will be looking sweet."

I agree. And the story comes full circle back to Earth, much as HL2's story finds itself in the civilized parts of Earth.

"whereas the FFs will be remakes of the originals. SAME STORY and CHARS, but better looking. Would i still find HALO12 as the deal? no probley not. A played out franchise is a played out franchise."

How is a franchise played out when:

1) Each installment sells in the millions
2) They change the gameplay for each installment
3) There are new characters each installment (exception X-2)

And we weren't talking about played out franchises. We were talking about remakes. And I must reiterate that we know NOTHING about a potential change in storyline. Given the fact that FFVII isn't bound by a sequel (except AC, but it gives the game breathing room) and neither is FFVIII or FFIX, we could possibly see some major corrections that the original creators wanted to see in the original build of the game. There have been interviews where the script writer to FFVII has said that he was not able to incorporate all the aspects of the story he wanted to. For instance, he wanted to bring Aerith back, which would actually change the story drastically (final battle there were three parties, two with three in them, and one with two... Aeris would have been the third). They could possibly incorporate things like that.

As for the Halo 12 comment, I have no clue if you're referring to 1 or 2, or possibly 12.

"*cough*CAPCOM*cough* I didnt buy a GC so i could play games i ve owned on ps1 since 97"

Me neither. But if they change around the story, visuals, gameplay, and remake the music in full orchestrated glory (all PS1 FF games had midi music, aside from a few pieces). I can see where you can say that Twin Snakes has that problem, but from what I understand, Silicon Knights has added some significant things to negate that feeling (they're keeing them a secret).

"Its NINTENDO you know king of ORIGINALITY. Honestly i think snake eater will be better than twin snakes, because its a NEW story not a spiffy looking rehash."

Now I know that's sarcasm. Nintendo hasn't been original too much this generation. Metroid Prime is probably their most innovating title this gen.

"I just dont understand the way the company is going. Playing it safe putting out old games that no one can be bothered to play now for 5 or 10 bucks...."

Sounds like a sports game. Same gameplay (exception the latest SEGA Football game), but you're paying for slightly enhanced graphics and updated rosters (which should be available via download now). But I do agree with you in the fact that Nintendo plays it too safe. I just don't see how releasing an old game is considered conservative. If it was successful, everyone has it.

"and people will pay 50 for next year and it ll be the greatest game ever............"

Again, sounds like a sports game.

"...anyway jesus, didnt most people on this board go on about FF being the most over rated heap ever like less than 6 months ago, and now its coming to GC and everyone is stoked?"

Well, I'm not among those numbers. I've always loved FF games, with the exception of FFX. These feelings are completely independent on platform. FFIX was the first disappointing FF game, followed by FFX. FFX-2 was a refreshing take on a bad game to redeem the original game. It made me actually want to play FFX again. And forgive me if I have catalogued you in any group you are not in.

"Come on.
You right i m sure GC is putting out the series as a homage and not try to play it safe and rake in some big bucks."

Look, first and foremost, Square was the one to admit that re-releasing FFVII and FFVIII would result in money. It was a running joke for a long time among press and Square, especially after the success of FFX-2. Now as much as I'd like to see a new mainstream FF game on the GCN, or a completely original game from Square-Enix, I know it's not going to happen overnight. Maybe next generation, with the N5. But definitely not on GCN. However, don't let this statement confuse you in where I stand: I welcome FF games to the GCN regardless of remakes. I've seen some good things happen in terms of remaking old classics this generation, so I have nothing to fear or loathe.

[zeronumber]

Square should concentrate more on 12 then re-releasing old games for gamecube.

[veterangamer]

Lets not pretend that GC is the only console gettin remakes of games. A cetain other console is gettin remakes of Conker's bad fur day (Live and Uncut) and DOA2 (Dead Or Alive Ultimate). Even EA is remaking Goldeneye for potentially all consoles, which is no surpise, since they do it year round with there sports games.

[Camron Kosciozko]

Lets not pretend that GC is the only console gettin remakes of games. A cetain other console is gettin remakes of Conker's bad fur day (Live and Uncut) and DOA2 (Dead Or Alive Ultimate). Even EA is remaking Goldeneye for potentially all consoles, which is no surpise, since they do it year round with there sports games.

We know that already man. Xte was just saying Gc is getting the bulk of these remakes and old ports.

[veterangamer]

yeah he's right, but let's not forget that THIRD PARTIES (the ol school one's like Capcom, Konami etc.,) are doing most of these remakes/ports.

[zeronumber]

Lets not pretend that GC is the only console gettin remakes of games. A cetain other console is gettin remakes of Conker's bad fur day (Live and Uncut) and DOA2 (Dead Or Alive Ultimate). Even EA is remaking Goldeneye for potentially all consoles, which is no surpise, since they do it year round with there sports games.

Am I saying that it is, no,
And neighter is anbody else.
But face it, people don't want rehashes, we want new games.

[gaunletlegends]

"On that note halo is an entirelly diffrent story than half life. If you wanted to say everythings been done, you could simply pigeonhole everything is a ripoff or shooters, racers, fighters, etc."

Not necessarily. There are MANY parallels to Half-Life made in Halo. The Flood is nothing but headcrab and zombie imitations from Half-Life, and they make up a good majority of the game. Sure they have some original concepts within the initial "rehash" (I'd call it a tribute) like exploding headcrab pods, but this can be paralleled with the Crimson heads from Resident Evil REmake. The Covenant main troops (not the midgets) look very similar to the Alien Slave character models from Half-Life. The unexplained desire the Covanent has for destroying mankind also parallels the aliens in Half-Life's intentions. The one primary, one secondary weapon idea was done before Halo, in Counterstrike, a Half-Life mod. In this same mod, vehicles were implemented (something Halo is known for).



"Halo2 will be a new story and will be looking sweet."

I agree. And the story comes full circle back to Earth, much as HL2's story finds itself in the civilized parts of Earth.

"whereas the FFs will be remakes of the originals. SAME STORY and CHARS, but better looking. Would i still find HALO12 as the deal? no probley not. A played out franchise is a played out franchise."

How is a franchise played out when:

1) Each installment sells in the millions
2) They change the gameplay for each installment
3) There are new characters each installment (exception X-2)

And we weren't talking about played out franchises. We were talking about remakes. And I must reiterate that we know NOTHING about a potential change in storyline. Given the fact that FFVII isn't bound by a sequel (except AC, but it gives the game breathing room) and neither is FFVIII or FFIX, we could possibly see some major corrections that the original creators wanted to see in the original build of the game. There have been interviews where the script writer to FFVII has said that he was not able to incorporate all the aspects of the story he wanted to. For instance, he wanted to bring Aerith back, which would actually change the story drastically (final battle there were three parties, two with three in them, and one with two... Aeris would have been the third). They could possibly incorporate things like that.

As for the Halo 12 comment, I have no clue if you're referring to 1 or 2, or possibly 12.

"*cough*CAPCOM*cough* I didnt buy a GC so i could play games i ve owned on ps1 since 97"

Me neither. But if they change around the story, visuals, gameplay, and remake the music in full orchestrated glory (all PS1 FF games had midi music, aside from a few pieces). I can see where you can say that Twin Snakes has that problem, but from what I understand, Silicon Knights has added some significant things to negate that feeling (they're keeing them a secret).

"Its NINTENDO you know king of ORIGINALITY. Honestly i think snake eater will be better than twin snakes, because its a NEW story not a spiffy looking rehash."

Now I know that's sarcasm. Nintendo hasn't been original too much this generation. Metroid Prime is probably their most innovating title this gen.

"I just dont understand the way the company is going. Playing it safe putting out old games that no one can be bothered to play now for 5 or 10 bucks...."

Sounds like a sports game. Same gameplay (exception the latest SEGA Football game), but you're paying for slightly enhanced graphics and updated rosters (which should be available via download now). But I do agree with you in the fact that Nintendo plays it too safe. I just don't see how releasing an old game is considered conservative. If it was successful, everyone has it.

"and people will pay 50 for next year and it ll be the greatest game ever............"

Again, sounds like a sports game.

"...anyway jesus, didnt most people on this board go on about FF being the most over rated heap ever like less than 6 months ago, and now its coming to GC and everyone is stoked?"

Well, I'm not among those numbers. I've always loved FF games, with the exception of FFX. These feelings are completely independent on platform. FFIX was the first disappointing FF game, followed by FFX. FFX-2 was a refreshing take on a bad game to redeem the original game. It made me actually want to play FFX again. And forgive me if I have catalogued you in any group you are not in.

"Come on.
You right i m sure GC is putting out the series as a homage and not try to play it safe and rake in some big bucks."

Look, first and foremost, Square was the one to admit that re-releasing FFVII and FFVIII would result in money. It was a running joke for a long time among press and Square, especially after the success of FFX-2. Now as much as I'd like to see a new mainstream FF game on the GCN, or a completely original game from Square-Enix, I know it's not going to happen overnight. Maybe next generation, with the N5. But definitely not on GCN. However, don't let this statement confuse you in where I stand: I welcome FF games to the GCN regardless of remakes. I've seen some good things happen in terms of remaking old classics this generation, so I have nothing to fear or loathe.


Whoa. Hypocracy at work here. Blaze and stray, you again critisize rehashes and remakes, but I bet you will be RUSHING to play Conker; Live and Uncut for Xbox. Right? Am I right? JUST PLAY IT ON N64 FOR 5 BUCKS!!!! Is what Straycat said about FF remakes, but here's one argument that you will counter with. "But I don't have an N64" Well, maybe people who are fans of FF didn't have a PS1, or currently don't have a PS1.

If you are all against remakes, don't play Conker. Boycott it. Seriously. Try.


Oh, and robotrob, I'm curious; How did you find IX and X the worst in the series!?!?!?!?!?!?!?! They were the BEST. FF7 and FF8, while great, just weren't as good. VII, while great, was way too boring, and VIII, while GOOD, was annoying, due mostly to the junction system, and the fact that the main character made nearly all cutscenes a drag. You want to play FFX again? I RECOMMEND IT. Seriously, you may like it now that you know what to expect.

Straycat, nobody on these boards (except a few) said they hated FF games. Not sure where that came from. And yes, straycat and blaze, your critisisms also completely fit into the SPORTS games category. Afterall, sports games completely LIVE off rehashing. Again, hypocracy at work. I'm just making a few comments on what I've seen in this topic. Also, zero, you've went through a complete change in this topic from wanting a remake to not wanting it. I think it's a great idea. Remakes are often done to make an old game new again, yes, but also to improve the old game in ways that haven't been done before. On GC, they can ditch the pre-rendered backgrounds and save room on the discs to add more...story, more towns/cities, etc. Open up amazing possibilities.

[GCNforEVA2]

Remakes=Bad

[zeronumber]

Well GL, I'm not saying I wouldn't like to see a remake of these games, but to be honest, I'd rather see a sequeal to one of these games.

Again, ff7 came out 7 years ago, f8 came out 8 years ago, and it was some of my favorite games of all time.
But, times have changed,
I'd rather be playing new games like 11, and 12.
It be fun to re experience ff7, but I'd rather play a new game.

[gaunletlegends]

Well GL, I'm not saying I wouldn't like to see a remake of these games, but to be honest, I'd rather see a sequeal to one of these games.

Again, ff7 came out 7 years ago, f8 came out 8 years ago, and it was some of my favorite games of all time.
But, times have changed,
I'd rather be playing new games like 11, and 12.
It be fun to re experience ff7, but I'd rather play a new game.

Games Designers Studios is completely different from Square-Enix, so them working on the remakes would not "take time away from developement of FF11 and FF12," just so you know. I remember you mentioned that it would.

[therealxteboy]

Well GL, I'm not saying I wouldn't like to see a remake of these games, but to be honest, I'd rather see a sequeal to one of these games.

Again, ff7 came out 7 years ago, f8 came out 8 years ago, and it was some of my favorite games of all time.
But, times have changed,
I'd rather be playing new games like 11, and 12.
It be fun to re experience ff7, but I'd rather play a new game.

Games Designers Studios is completely different from Square-Enix, so them working on the remakes would not "take time away from developement of FF11 and FF12," just so you know. I remember you mentioned that it would.

lol.....is it really worth the time and money to do remakes???...just think about that, after you played one game with so many other NEW games around, will you sit down and play the same game OVER just because it has better graphics????.....oh come on, gamers, dont be too shallow, if we wanted to play the same games over and over again, then sad to say then the industry is moving backwards instead of forward....dont misunderstand me, i dont mind seeing remakes but if that's what NIntendo wants just to build up their library, then the GC's hardware specs is a waste of resource already, beefing up the graphics is not worth it, create something NEW even if its not entirely original like Halo, sequels are not bad too, it's not exactly NEW but it still beats a remake and an old port anytime........ 8)

[Camron Kosciozko]

gauntlet, i suggest u quit calling people hypocrites unless u fully know what the f*ck ur talking about.

Didnt i just say all systems have them? I just said i kno what xte is talking about when he said they are getting that reputation.

And 2nd yea, i will get conkers. I didnt play it on the 64. As a matter of fact, about 10 people played it on 64. Whats the problem?

Lastly, yours and especially robs opinions on sports games holds no relevance. They are mimicing REAL SPORTS. How much can they change and still be authentic? Its not like megaman with new stages and the same trash over and over again. Megaman isnt realistic. Im using that as an example so dont think its an xbox gamecube thing.

[zeronumber]

Even still...ports? enhancements?. remakes? It's the same frigging game.

It's sorta like MGS: Twin Snakes vs. MGS3: Snake Eater argument.

I loved metal gear for psx, and, yeah, I'm glad to see it run on great hardware with better graphics and anything. But you can fix up the game all you want, its still the same game...

Were as snake eater is a new game, a new experience.

Not saying I won't play or buy twin snakes, but not before I play or buy mgs3...

[MitzuRyuu]

I'll admit the GC has been getting alot of ports and remakes but have you noticed that all of them are francises that have never been on a nintendo system since the nes or never at all? It looks like one of the reasons the GC is getting all these ports is to get new fans. I'm sure it is cheaper to port a game to a new system then to make a totally new game ans see how well it does.

[teamgiza]

Remake 1-6 in 3d for gamecube

[RobotRob86]

"Oh, and robotrob, I'm curious; How did you find IX and X the worst in the series!?!?!?!?!?!?!?! They were the BEST. FF7 and FF8, while great, just weren't as good. VII, while great, was way too boring, and VIII, while GOOD, was annoying, due mostly to the junction system, and the fact that the main character made nearly all cutscenes a drag. You want to play FFX again? I RECOMMEND IT. Seriously, you may like it now that you know what to expect."

I've played through FFX getting everything and becomming strong enough to kil the final boss in two hits in 30 hrs. But I did play the FF series in order, and I had the overall worst opinion of FFIX and X. I can't help it, that's just the way I feel. I love a deep storyline, and both FFVII and VIII had that in spades. Not to mention, I have the PC versions of both games, so I can actually tweak the graphics to look a lot better than the PS1 versions.

"Straycat, nobody on these boards (except a few) said they hated FF games. Not sure where that came from. And yes, straycat and blaze, your critisisms also completely fit into the SPORTS games category. Afterall, sports games completely LIVE off rehashing. Again, hypocracy at work. I'm just making a few comments on what I've seen in this topic. Also, zero, you've went through a complete change in this topic from wanting a remake to not wanting it. I think it's a great idea. Remakes are often done to make an old game new again, yes, but also to improve the old game in ways that haven't been done before. On GC, they can ditch the pre-rendered backgrounds and save room on the discs to add more...story, more towns/cities, etc. Open up amazing possibilities."

Thank you, Gaunlet. At least someone can see how the remakes could quite possibly improve on all areas, including story. It's called a Director's Cut, aka what the director had to cut due to technology/storage constraints.


Bottom Line: Is it better to have SOME support in the form of remakes, or is it better to have NO support? Again, Square-Enix (mostly the Square portion) has to take baby steps into trusting Nintendo again. It's that simple.

And it's not my opinion about sports games, Jon. It's the facts. They improve a little bit from year to year, with roster updates. People pay $50 for that. I reallize there's a certain zenith that a sports game can reach, as it is modeled after a real, physical game. But if something hits that zenith, and becomes stagnant in terms of innovation and improvements, then why don't the companies simply release the game every generation, and provide roster updates via download? It's because they want to make money. That was the point I was making with Straycat. Nintendo's not the only ones rehashing the same gameplay to make money. EA, SEGA, 989, Microsoft... all guilty as well. So it holds little relevance to the discussion.

[Camron Kosciozko]

1 game every generation? what are your kidding me? Do u know how much madden changed from launch ps2 till now? Do u know how much nba2k changed from dreamcast, to playstation 2, then to xbox now?

This isnt going to get anywhere. If u guys cant see sports games are the obvious exception, then theres no point in continuing.

Roster updates with download? Yea, how many gc/ps2 gamers are going to run out and grab an adapter, simply to use some1 on a new team. Your not being realistic.

Its still ur opinion that these sports games (beyond nfl2k4, dont worry i kno) become stagnant in the innovation dept. Others like the new modes, better animations, more realism and strategy and whatever else these companies add year to year. You wanna talk another genre, then i agree with u. I dont believe it applies to sports games unless its the EXACT same game which has not been the case.

[RobotRob86]

"1 game every generation? what are your kidding me? Do u know how much madden changed from launch ps2 till now? Do u know how much nba2k changed from dreamcast, to playstation 2, then to xbox now?"

I realize that's a bit much, as first gen games look like hybrids of both the present and past generations. So, maybe space them out a little more. I exaggerated too much.

"This isnt going to get anywhere. If u guys cant see sports games are the obvious exception, then theres no point in continuing."

I pointed out that they are an exception, and I agreed with that.

"Roster updates with download? Yea, how many gc/ps2 gamers are going to run out and grab an adapter, simply to use some1 on a new team. Your not being realistic."

Still, $40 is cheaper than $50 per year, is it not? And Xbox doesn't even ahev to worry about that.

"Its still ur opinion that these sports games (beyond nfl2k4, dont worry i kno) become stagnant in the innovation dept. Others like the new modes, better animations, more realism and strategy and whatever else these companies add year to year. You wanna talk another genre, then i agree with u. I dont believe it applies to sports games unless its the EXACT same game which has not been the case."

And yet, if they worked on the for two years each, the companies could brainstorm further and make each release more worthwhile. Regardless of my opinion, more time = more innovation. Again, my point wasn't to bash a genre I don't like, it was to show that every company will hastily release a follow-up to a successful game, regardless of the level of innovation taking place.

[zeronumber]

Meh, I still think they should make a new game.

[RobotRob86]

Meh, I still think they should make a new game.

So do I, but the odds of that are slim. If they did make an original game, it would probably be another offshoot of FF or a new, Nintendo-esque RPG, both of which I would preferr to have the remakes instead. I loved those games, and I would personally love to see them remade.

[zeronumber]

If they would port them out, they should do a compilation title or something...

I thought the remakes of 4,5,and 6 for psx was enough.

You had ports of the game, and they were enhanced with fmv scenes and some other extra content...

Do you really want to do that yet again?

If games are to be ported out, I would like english translated 1,2,and 3(basically nes games, 2, and 3 which never came to america) should be ported to the ps2 and, you know, loaded down with some fmv, and other content...

This way you can pretty much play all ff games on one system.

If you are to "remake/port/enhance" ff games, make it 1,2 and 3 which haven't been remaded, ported, or enhanced, and do so...

I don't think any gamer in the us had the privilage of expeirencing the 2nd and 3rd, or enhanced versions of them for that matter.

[RobotRob86]

Yeah, they're actually on the PS1. I forget what the compilation disc is called, but they were remade in SNES graphics with FMV sequences. At least 1 and 2 were.

[zeronumber]

Yeah, they're actually on the PS1. I forget what the compilation disc is called, but they were remade in SNES graphics with FMV sequences. At least 1 and 2 were.

Your thinking of the snes games 2 and 3, or how they were known in japan, as ff4 and ff6.

ff4 and chrono trigger were in a compolation set called "Final Fantasy:Chronicals."

FF5(a never before us released ff game) was bundled with ff6 in a compalation "Final Fantasy Anthology"

Only Final Fantasy 1 came out in america for the nes, and was never remade.

2 and 3 were released on the nes, only in japan, and never hit america yet. :cry:

[straycat]

gaunletlegends

Whoa. Hypocracy at work here. Blaze and stray, you again critisize rehashes and remakes, but I bet you will be RUSHING to play Conker; Live and Uncut for Xbox. Right? Am I right? JUST PLAY IT ON N64 FOR 5 BUCKS!!!! Is what Straycat said about FF remakes, but here's one argument that you will counter with. "But I don't have an N64" Well, maybe people who are fans of FF didn't have a PS1, or currently don't have a PS1.

If you are all against remakes, don't play Conker. Boycott it. Seriously. Try.
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well right off i have a n64 and played conker and thought it sucked. so will i get it on xbox? no. A sucky game is a sucky game. I m not gonna act like some fanboy defending every title on my system. Have you ever seen me do that? nope. Since i have ALL THE SYSTEMS i see things as they are and can take an unbiased view. WHERE AM I ACTING LIKE A HYPOCRITE EXACTLY. I ve pointed out a few times in this very thread LETS SEEN INNOVATION on the GC not rehashes. If its gonna be the same with better graphics, why bother? BTW if your a fan of FF and dont own a ps or ps2 your not really a fan at all are you? whats a ps1 cost now 20 bucks? Oh yeah people dont want to be associated with sony....
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Oh, and robotrob, I'm curious; How did you find IX and X the worst in the series!?!?!?!?!?!?!?! They were the BEST. FF7 and FF8, while great, just weren't as good. VII, while great, was way too boring, and VIII, while GOOD, was annoying, due mostly to the junction system, and the fact that the main character made nearly all cutscenes a drag. You want to play FFX again? I RECOMMEND IT. Seriously, you may like it now that you know what to expect.

Straycat, nobody on these boards (except a few) said they hated FF games. Not sure where that came from. And yes, straycat and blaze, your critisisms also completely fit into the SPORTS games category. Afterall, sports games completely LIVE off rehashing. Again, hypocracy at work. I'm just making a few comments on what I've seen in this topic. Also, zero, you've went through a complete change in this topic from wanting a remake to not wanting it. I think it's a great idea. Remakes are often done to make an old game new again, yes, but also to improve the old game in ways that haven't been done before. On GC, they can ditch the pre-rendered backgrounds and save room on the discs to add more...story, more towns/cities, etc. Open up amazing possibilities.
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UMMMMMMMMM where did i say that people HATED FF. I said that people here have said many times thats its extremely OVER RATED. Everyone talks about SOA constantly and the first second someone mentions FF, INSTANTLY 5 people have to down on it. And dont tell me you ve never seen it because i ve read it about a million times on the old board.
AND WHEN did i exactly stick up for SPORTS GAMES? Sure i ve stuck up when someone who has no knowledge says there exactley the same every year, when Madden 2004 isnt anything like its been in the past. Its completely upgraded. I ll be the first one to talk about crap franchises like MAdden but talk about how sega sports COMPLETELY innovated year after year. But most people wouldnt know and keep saying its a stat diffrence. SO HOW DOES THAT MAKE ME A HYPOCRITE AGAIN? I call things as they are. Where have a said a certain rehash was good and FF was bad? I ve simply said over and over that THE SAME STORY AND THE SAME CHARS is a waste. LEts see something NEW IN THE GAMES. Not JUST A REMAKE.
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I will eventually try to sort out that disater of quotes and edits in the other post later...

[gaunletlegends]

Everyone, this wouldn't just be enhancements. Picture what they can do here! Voices can be added. Characters conversations, will not have to take place from an overhead view with text bubbles, but up close, with facial animations, and voices. It could completely enhance the story. The World Map; wouldn't have to be a barren desert, but a place with other people commuting across, you could talk to them, buy items, etc. The world map no longer has to be made up of bare polygons, but can be a huge, amazing looking area, with great scenery, and many many more secrets. They could even work out something cool (Taxis, etc.) Think about what they could do here. Towns could be expanded, can feature much more people. FMV's could be completely redone with voices in them, ....IT COULD BE HUGE. It would be like playing a completely different game. It could be really amazing.

And Blaze, is getting an online adaptor really more insane than buying $50 dollar games every year that are practically identical? That's what I don't understand about sports games. Why the exception? Why would people pay $50 for a different player on a different team? It is something I guess I will never understand, but I guess that's how it works.

[zeronumber]

You dudes do know that people often sell back old sports games, and use money towards newer ones...at least thats what I do...

[straycat]

NO one is saying it COULDNT be great gauntlet. WHAT peoplel are saying time after time is EXPAND ON IT. Dont make it the same storyline.

[straycat]

RobotRob86

And it's not my opinion about sports games, Jon. It's the facts. They improve a little bit from year to year, with roster updates. People pay $50 for that. I reallize there's a certain zenith that a sports game can reach, as it is modeled after a real, physical game. But if something hits that zenith, and becomes stagnant in terms of innovation and improvements, then why don't the companies simply release the game every generation, and provide roster updates via download? It's because they want to make money. That was the point I was making with Straycat. Nintendo's not the only ones rehashing the same gameplay to make money. EA, SEGA, 989, Microsoft... all guilty as well. So it holds little relevance to the discussion.

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So are you defending the fact that buying a rehash is ok because million of idiots do it every year with sports games? I m curious. Probley not how i would have put it.

I thought your words were"Remakes are meant to pay homage to a great game. It's like the new age adaptations of Shakespeare's plays. It's to show the universality of the pieces. In a way, remakes allow developers to shout "It's still good", while still presenting something fresh."

Like you were saying it was noble for nintendo to put out the game and they re only putting it out as a homage and not because there allways after profit like everyone else... When i pointed out it was for the money everyone freaked out.....

[straycat]

Phew hate it when i stretch the page out.....

[gaunletlegends]

Straycat, you act like Gamecube has no innovative games at all.

QUOTE"WHERE AM I ACTING LIKE A HYPOCRITE EXACTLY. I ve pointed out a few times in this very thread LETS SEEN INNOVATION on the GC not rehashes. If its gonna be the same with better graphics, why bother?"(ENDQUOTE)

Like there, for example. Did you already forget that we recently got an ALL NEW Final Fantasy? And it was completely different than ANY ANY Final Fantasy game before it. That was innovative. Is it a problem, then, really, for Square-Enix to then give Gamecube a remake? It's not like that's all they've given us. (as you're basically saying it is)

People (aside from some Dreamcast fanboys upset at Square for avoiding their console) haven't really said FF was overrated. There were a few, but that obvioulsy doesn't stop the games from being huge successes each time.

BTW, yes, I own PS1 and PS2, and can easily play FF games, but many don't! And even so, I REALLY want a remake of those games, even though I already beat them. If they were all presented in an amazing way like FF10 was, I'd look forward to them.

[straycat]

Straycat, you act like Gamecube has no innovative games at all.

QUOTE"WHERE AM I ACTING LIKE A HYPOCRITE EXACTLY. I ve pointed out a few times in this very thread LETS SEEN INNOVATION on the GC not rehashes. If its gonna be the same with better graphics, why bother?"(ENDQUOTE)

Like there, for example. Did you already forget that we recently got an ALL NEW Final Fantasy? And it was completely different than ANY ANY Final Fantasy game before it. That was innovative. Is it a problem, then, really, for Square-Enix to then give Gamecube a remake? It's not like that's all they've given us. (as you're basically saying it is)

People (aside from some Dreamcast fanboys upset at Square for avoiding their console) haven't really said FF was overrated. There were a few, but that obvioulsy doesn't stop the games from being huge successes each time.

BTW, yes, I own PS1 and PS2, and can easily play FF games, but many don't! And even so, I REALLY want a remake of those games, even though I already beat them. If they were all presented in an amazing way like FF10 was, I'd look forward to them.

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I act like theres no innovation? um no. I keep pushing up ORIGINAL NIN INNOVATION, and say a rehash is LESS innoavtive.
UNDERSTAND YET? DID i say the new FF wasent good? No i believe i pointed out THAT WAS THE WAY TO GO WITH THE SERIES. NEW GAMES.

[zeronumber]

I can't believe how idiotic some of you are..

"nobody has a problem when sports games get rehashed again and again."

Sports games are suppose to be rehased and with little improvement.

I'm serioulsy not expecting a new mind blowing engine every time there is a rooster change.

Madden has a good formula
each year
- Add/tweak commentary
- Add new songs
- Fix the visuals a bit more and more...
- place in new rosters.

This sort of thing is unexceptable with games like doa 3.
It is just doa2 hardcore with better graphics and new modes.

So that's how you treat loyal fans who wanted a new doa game for nearly 2 years, new modes, slightly better graphics?
That my friends is a rehash.

Or mario kart double dash, have more characters, and better visuals, yet have dumbed down boards(Baby circut, my god, who thought up that?)

That's a real rehash for you.

[nintendo1224]

i think a remake would be great i have the originals and i wish the graphics were enhanced

[nintendo1224]

really

[RobotRob86]

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So are you defending the fact that buying a rehash is ok because million of idiots do it every year with sports games? I m curious. Probley not how i would have put it."

No, like I said in TWO of my previous posts, my point is that other companies try to make money off of successful games with minimal work. Instead of waiting two years (or any interval really) and releasing a massively updated version, they release every year so they can get a larger income. It was a retort to your remark of Nintendo trying to cash in on past successes.

"I thought your words were 'Remakes are meant to pay homage to a great game. It's like the new age adaptations of Shakespeare's plays. It's to show the universality of the pieces. In a way, remakes allow developers to shout 'It's still good', while still presenting something fresh.'"

"Like you were saying it was noble for nintendo to put out the game and they re only putting it out as a homage and not because there allways after profit like everyone else... When i pointed out it was for the money everyone freaked out....."

I didn't freak out, I just pointed out that Ninty wasn't alone in that kind of behavior. In fact, if this is true, Square was the first to hear the ca-ching! of cash registers in their minds. That's all I said with regards to your statement.

[straycat]

I wouldnt say that MAdden WASENT a rehash for over 10 years. Realistically if sega sports hadent come around EA would be passing out the same trash they allways have.

I usually only buy BREAKTHROUGHS in sports games. Madden 2002 was a huge improvement over anything in the last 8 years. And 2004 is teh best playing Madden ever.

I couldnt be bothered to buy it for years because new stats and music doesnt intrest me

[RobotRob86]

I wouldnt say that MAdden WASENT a rehash for over 10 years. Realistically if sega sports hadent come around EA would be passing out the same trash they allways have.

I usually only buy BREAKTHROUGHS in sports games. Madden 2002 was a huge improvement over anything in the last 8 years. And 2004 is teh best playing Madden ever.

I couldnt be bothered to buy it for years because new stats and music doesnt intrest me

Then you and I aren't so different. At least I found an Xbox fan with a similar taste.

[straycat]

ROB i ve never said NIN was alone. I ve just said I m tired of companies pulling this over and over again, and the only PRESENT real game to talk about it was the FF remakes. I EXPECT MORE FROM NIN.
And no, thats NOT sarcasm. If there was one game convo going on the xbox forum i woulda commented on that too. I m indiffrent on the issue. I dont like FF all that much, and wish they put there energy into something new......

[RobotRob86]

IC. That's why I typed in that it was hard to detect sarcasm over type. If I didnt, then I meant to. Honestly, I didn't know if you meant what you said or not. It's kinda funny, lol. But still, I had someone else to debate with as well.

[straycat]

My refrence to supreme rehashing is mostly with companies like CAPCOM who almost ran there company into the ground releasing FOUR streetfighter games in what 14 months? what a joke. RE saved them. And realistically I think they almost ruined that series too. But the new on on GC looks BRILLIANT.

[RobotRob86]

Perhaps. They do that a lot, I know. But I still consider most of their games to be fun. I just can't say no to a SF game. Megaman still hasn't lost its flavor (although X7 sucked). Once in a blue moon, Capcom disappoints me.

[gaunletlegends]

I EXPECT MORE FROM NIN.

People seem to forget that FF games are not Nintendo games, but Square-Enix games. Do you expect more from Square-Enix, or from Nintendo? Nintendo is done with innovation, and are obviously going to be forced to forever rely on rehashes. They sold Rareware, who, basically, was their only source of innovation.

But that's another story entirely. Square-Enix is what we're talking about, and if they want to make a remake (with NINTENDO FUNDING!!!!!!) then let them. This remake has been wanted for many years.

[Marcos]

i like the way you do that right thurrrrr!

[zeronumber]

We Want New Games.

[special agent]

I prefer to play rehashed good games then bad new games. It's true that Capcom do a lot of sequels, but good games are good games. At least when I pick a RE or a MegaMan I know what to expect. And sometimes some of theses sequels turn out to be good. I'm not saying I don't get sick of sequels after a while, but I'm even more p issed when I put time on a game that turn out to be not great or disapointing. Because you have to spend more time and energy to learn how to play this new game and when it just turn out to be bad or average it's not fun.

[Camron Kosciozko]

Everyone, this wouldn't just be enhancements. Picture what they can do here! Voices can be added. Characters conversations, will not have to take place from an overhead view with text bubbles, but up close, with facial animations, and voices. It could completely enhance the story. The World Map; wouldn't have to be a barren desert, but a place with other people commuting across, you could talk to them, buy items, etc. The world map no longer has to be made up of bare polygons, but can be a huge, amazing looking area, with great scenery, and many many more secrets. They could even work out something cool (Taxis, etc.) Think about what they could do here. Towns could be expanded, can feature much more people. FMV's could be completely redone with voices in them, ....IT COULD BE HUGE. It would be like playing a completely different game. It could be really amazing.

And Blaze, is getting an online adaptor really more insane than buying $50 dollar games every year that are practically identical? That's what I don't understand about sports games. Why the exception? Why would people pay $50 for a different player on a different team? It is something I guess I will never understand, but I guess that's how it works.

No company is going to rely on customers to buy add ons just to get roster updates and its not just about money. Its YOUR OPINION that the games are practically identical. I dont see why u and others are having a hard time distinguishing ur personal feelings with fact. If you would play nba2k2 on xbox, and then play nba2k3 on xbox, u would feel like a d*ck for saying that. Thats just 1 example but u get my point. These games arent even close to identical. Play nbalive 2002, and then play live 2003 and u will realize what im talking about. Ask a sports fan/

Your stuck on the new player for a new team for some reason. There are other upgrades to the games. Im not gonna continuously regurgitate what me and rob was talking about. If you dont understand, then i guess thats just the way it is.

[gaunletlegends]

We Want New Games.


And we just got one. Play it, and enjoy it. Now, however, with that out of the way, the Game Designers Studio has the freedom to do whatever they want. And if that's remaking old FF games, then that's how it's going to be. They deserve a break.

[Ninja_Chane]

I think that if they actually remake the games that would be cool, but if they are going to do it 7 through 9, I believe they will just be ports. Even if they do remake them, I would rather get a new game with a completely new story, characters, and world, then play the same game with some souped up sounds and graphics. I would still buy them none the less!

[RobotRob86]

I EXPECT MORE FROM NIN.

People seem to forget that FF games are not Nintendo games, but Square-Enix games. Do you expect more from Square-Enix, or from Nintendo? Nintendo is done with innovation, and are obviously going to be forced to forever rely on rehashes. They sold Rareware, who, basically, was their only source of innovation.

But that's another story entirely. Square-Enix is what we're talking about, and if they want to make a remake (with NINTENDO FUNDING!!!!!!) then let them. This remake has been wanted for many years.

Game Designers Studio is a Nintendo dev team inside Square-Enix. Which means they can avoid the technical mumbo jumbo about copyrights and such, and Nintendo can develop games alongside Square-Enix. That and they're funded with the Q-Fund, laid down by Nintendo's last President.

[gaunletlegends]

I think that if they actually remake the games that would be cool, but if they are going to do it 7 through 9, I believe they will just be ports. Even if they do remake them, I would rather get a new game with a completely new story, characters, and world, then play the same game with some souped up sounds and graphics. I would still buy them none the less!

The chances of Square-Enix handing a brilliant, Final Fantasy story and characters over to the Game Designers Studio is just incredibly unlikely. If they made us an original game, it would be along the lines of Crystal Cronicles.

In other words, if you're expecting Gamecube to get a Final Fantasy game with amazing plot, character developement, and turn-based FF gameplay, these remakes may be your only hope.

That's why I think people are being a little ungreatful. It was great that we got Crystal Cronicles. If they want to put more FF on Gamecube, even if it is just a remake, you should be glad.

[ateboy!!]

can all of you look at my site and tell me what you think ?

[therealxteboy]

I think that if they actually remake the games that would be cool, but if they are going to do it 7 through 9, I believe they will just be ports. Even if they do remake them, I would rather get a new game with a completely new story, characters, and world, then play the same game with some souped up sounds and graphics. I would still buy them none the less!

The chances of Square-Enix handing a brilliant, Final Fantasy story and characters over to the Game Designers Studio is just incredibly unlikely. If they made us an original game, it would be along the lines of Crystal Cronicles.

In other words, if you're expecting Gamecube to get a Final Fantasy game with amazing plot, character developement, and turn-based FF gameplay, these remakes may be your only hope.

That's why I think people are being a little ungreatful. It was great that we got Crystal Cronicles. If they want to put more FF on Gamecube, even if it is just a remake, you should be glad.

lol....of course, just because Square-Enix gave Nintendo some crumbs doesnt mean they wanted to give them the cake and icing too.....but nevertheless, Nintendo should ask MORE than remakes, the GC deserves better than that.....lol...

[zeronumber]

Yeah, god forbid we can get a friggin new game.

A new game.

Seriously though, I would play a ff:cc 2 before a ff7 remake...

[straycat]

i would stop asking for a new game unless you want to be called ungratefull again....

[bearfart]

nintendo wont allow new installments of a story based series on gamecube until it has all the previous installments first.. thats why we got all the RE remakes before 4 and 0 came out.. Thats why we get twin snakes... They will probably do like what they did with the "rest" of those RE games and port them with minor upgrades.

[gaunletlegends]

i would stop asking for a new game unless you want to be called ungratefull again....

I was not calling anyone ungreatful, but saying you should be glad to be getting a Square-Enix game on Gamecube at all! At this stage, when they were put into making GC games very reluctantly, you shouldn't really be picky about what they give us.

Plus, FFCC didn't necessarily get the best opinions from fans (go to Amazon.com to read reviews) so I don't think Square-Enix would get as much sales from a FFCC sequal.

[straycat]

i would stop asking for a new game unless you want to be called ungratefull again....

I was not calling anyone ungreatful, but saying you should be glad to be getting a Square-Enix game on Gamecube at all! At this stage, when they were put into making GC games very reluctantly, you shouldn't really be picky about what they give us.

Plus, FFCC didn't necessarily get the best opinions from fans (go to Amazon.com to read reviews) so I don't think Square-Enix would get as much sales from a FFCC sequal.

Lighten up gauntlet. Its a joke. Besides I am picky. Thats why I own ALL the consoles, so i wont have to take what i m givin. Really i dont know how some people can be happy with 1 console these days.. Theres no 1 console that is the total meal deal

[zeronumber]

i would stop asking for a new game unless you want to be called ungratefull again....

I was not calling anyone ungreatful, but saying you should be glad to be getting a Square-Enix game on Gamecube at all! At this stage, when they were put into making GC games very reluctantly, you shouldn't really be picky about what they give us.

Plus, FFCC didn't necessarily get the best opinions from fans (go to Amazon.com to read reviews) so I don't think Square-Enix would get as much sales from a FFCC sequal.

Even still Gaunlet, I already own all 3 systems...It's not like I only own a gamecube and can only play ff games on gamecube...I also got ps2 which is getting more games.

It's not being ungreatful to ask squre enix for a new game on gamecube.
And it goes without saying I don't want to replay a game yet again on a gamecube.

I'm glad squre enix throw gamecube a bone, but they shouldn't feel obligated to making more releases for gamecube if it's just going to result in more rehash titles.

[RobotRob86]

Having the PS2 and either the GCN or Xbox gives you a generally good feel about what gaming has to offer now. That's most likely why th real battle is between the GCN and Xbox for SECOND place. but if you went with a single system, and don't mind just good graphics, then the PS2 would be a perfect match.

[gaunletlegends]

i would stop asking for a new game unless you want to be called ungratefull again....

I was not calling anyone ungreatful, but saying you should be glad to be getting a Square-Enix game on Gamecube at all! At this stage, when they were put into making GC games very reluctantly, you shouldn't really be picky about what they give us.

Plus, FFCC didn't necessarily get the best opinions from fans (go to Amazon.com to read reviews) so I don't think Square-Enix would get as much sales from a FFCC sequal.

Even still Gaunlet, I already own all 3 systems...It's not like I only own a gamecube and can only play ff games on gamecube...I also got ps2 which is getting more games.

It's not being ungreatful to ask squre enix for a new game on gamecube.
And it goes without saying I don't want to replay a game yet again on a gamecube.

I'm glad squre enix throw gamecube a bone, but they shouldn't feel obligated to making more releases for gamecube if it's just going to result in more rehash titles.


So are you saying that Square Enix would release a brand new FF game (FF13, for example) without first knowing if it would be accepted?

Here's what I mean; Square-Enix, before releasing a full blown FF game on Gamecube, must first see how the Gamecube audience reacts to a REAL FF game. That's why I believe that these remakes are really being made.

[zeronumber]

I could care less about the graphics...But I do care more for brand new games.

[zeronumber]

Gaunlet, I don't want ff13,, I'm saying more of the lines of say ff:cc part 2.
You know as well as I do, putting ff13 on a gamecube instead of(considering how ff sequels are spread out) ps3 is a bad idea.

[RobotRob86]

Well, considering FFXII is releasing either Winter 2004 or up to Fall 2005, I'd say a GCN release for FFXIII is a long shot. But, however slight, there's always this slight chance they amy port FFXII to the GCN. I mean it gets its story from FFTA, along with its character designs and Judge system. I'm sure if Nintendo sprung for it (paid for the port), Square would at least give it consideration.

[Ninja_Chane]

See, I am greatful that they are going to bring the classic Final Fantasys to the gamecube (maybe). But it still does not change the fact that I would play new games first!

[zeronumber]

See, I am greatful that they are going to bring the classic Final Fantasys to the gamecube (maybe). But it still does not change the fact that I would play new games first!

Exactly. Ports/Enhanced Versions/Remakes are nice and all, but gamers in general just want new games.

If square is to make more games for gamecube, I rather chrystal chronical sequal.

I would also like to see a chocobo racer game for both gba and gamecube...

Race chocobo on gamecube, raise em on gba. 8)

[CrimsonGuard]

I need no reamakes, I own the originals, unless they made the ones that didn't come out!

[gaunletlegends]

See, I am greatful that they are going to bring the classic Final Fantasys to the gamecube (maybe). But it still does not change the fact that I would play new games first!

Exactly. Ports/Enhanced Versions/Remakes are nice and all, but gamers in general just want new games.

If square is to make more games for gamecube, I rather chrystal chronical sequal.

I would also like to see a chocobo racer game for both gba and gamecube...

Race chocobo on gamecube, raise em on gba. 8)

Nah....that would kind of suck. Just what we need...another GC game where GBA's are required.

[DAZ83]

Yeah, they're actually on the PS1. I forget what the compilation disc is called, but they were remade in SNES graphics with FMV sequences. At least 1 and 2 were.

Your thinking of the snes games 2 and 3, or how they were known in japan, as ff4 and ff6.

ff4 and chrono trigger were in a compolation set called "Final Fantasy:Chronicals."

FF5(a never before us released ff game) was bundled with ff6 in a compalation "Final Fantasy Anthology"

Only Final Fantasy 1 came out in america for the nes, and was never remade.

2 and 3 were released on the nes, only in japan, and never hit america yet. :cry:

FF2 was released last year on the PS1. It was another compolation called
"Final Fantay: Origins", it came with FF1 & FF2. So FF3 is the only one left.

[gaunletlegends]

FF3 is what they called FF6. To release the real FF3 in the US would be confusing because it would get confused with FF6. (FF3 in the US.)