Final Fantasy Crystal Cronicles; predict how it will sell

[gaunletlegends]

Final Fantasy Crystal Cronicles was released in early February, and is one of the first RPG's in months to hit the Gamecube. Yes, it has the Final Fantasy name, but is so completely different in style that even people who loved FF's on PS2 may hate this game.

Yet people who hated Final Fantasys on PS2 may love this game.

Or, like myself, you can like the FF's on PS2 a lot, but like this too for a change of pace.

Whatever the case, the game did fairly well in Japan, with over 300,000 units sold. That considdered, how well do you think this game will do in America? I want everyone to take a guess here.

[Nyceane]

it got over 310,000 by end of last year, which by now (after japanese new year) it should hit somewhere around half million

[zeronumber]

I wouldn't be surprised if it sold up to 500 thousand.

[Camron Kosciozko]

Heres my thing with this. This final fantasy is different from the others, which lead me to believe way back that the game wouldnt sell as huge like the ps2 versions. Reviews from sites and all that rah rah doesnt matter cause we all know that scores dont mean sales.

The only x factor to what i think it will sell is hardcore n fans picking up a game thats suppose to be on the map which usually leads to decent to good sales. On release, im going with a 100k-200k amount. If f zero barely missed 100k on release and was hyped, i think an FF game can make it over. Just not sell like a ps2 title would.

I dont know what the game would top out at, but i think those who choose anything above 300k is dreaming. Windwaker barely sold half that on release.

[nickj123]

I think that by the end of May the Game will be pushing about 6 or 700 k in the U.S. I just think that this game was made for U.S. gamers who can get bored with those take turn battle games. And Jon is right. Scores don't matter at all. Mario Party has gotten 2 after 2 in Gameinformer and only slightly higher on most other magazines, websites (though some love it) and I bet you that every cube version will be players choice.

[gaunletlegends]

Heres my thing with this. This final fantasy is different from the others, which lead me to believe way back that the game wouldnt sell as huge like the ps2 versions. Reviews from sites and all that rah rah doesnt matter cause we all know that scores dont mean sales.

The only x factor to what i think it will sell is hardcore n fans picking up a game thats suppose to be on the map which usually leads to decent to good sales. On release, im going with a 100k-200k amount. If f zero barely missed 100k on release and was hyped, i think an FF game can make it over. Just not sell like a ps2 title would.

I dont know what the game would top out at, but i think those who choose anything above 300k is dreaming. Windwaker barely sold half that on release.

What stopped Wind Waker was negative views about the cel shading. But what FFCC has in it's advantage is that Final Fantasy Crystal Cronicles is a RPG, and RPG's, unlike action/adventure games (like zelda) are extremely rare on Gamecube, and they could easily catch the eye of RPG fans in EB. Plus, this game's getting much more publicity than Wind Waker. I think Nintendo was slightly lazy on Wind Waker's release as far as publicity goes. Every time I walk into a video game store, I see a HUGE poster for Final Fantasy Crystal Cronicles displayed in the window. Wind Waker, though, on the rare occasion that something was displayed, it showed a cel shaded Link, and it just looked stupid.

[gaunletlegends]

Also, the fact that FFCC has been the best selling game at Amazon.com for weeks is definately something worth noting.

I don't think it will sell over 500,000 units, though, because, truthfully, that's amazing. Final Fantasy X-2 for PS2 just recently passed the 500,000 mark in the US. And that's on a console with a much larger fanbase.

[zeronumber]

Not only a console with a bigger fanbase, but more fans of the final fantasy genre, as well as fans of X were excited about the sequel.

Cc's claim to fame, will most likely come from fans who are diehard to ff games(like myself) or those who have been waiting for a ff game to hit gamecube...

I don't think it will go past 500,000

but it could come close to it for sure,

[Camron Kosciozko]

Well we got along wait for npd, but i wouldnt be surprised if it landed in a top 10.

[gaunletlegends]

I think it's going to sell from 200,000-300,000 units in this month (FEB) but next month, it will be significantly lower on the count down, but will add another 100,000 (or something like that) to push the total into the 400,000 area. For those expecting over 500,000 units in the US, you've got to be kidding yourselves. Few games can do that. However, if my predictions are right, -if FFCC ends up selling 400,000+ units in the US-when you add the 310,000 units from Japan, as well as sales it will make when released in the UK, you could very well have a game that passes the 1 million mark worldwide. But again, this poll is only about US SALES, so if you expect over 500,000 in the US, you've got to be kidding yourselves.

However, Final Fantasy CC, while being on a console with less of a Final Fantasy fanbase, still has an advantage. Gamecube has a huge fanbase for multiplayer games, and this fits the bill perfectly, even for those who have never played a Final Fantasy game! In fact, the Final Fantasy name will also attract fans of Final Fantasy games (Despite the differences) as well as attract curious gamers who "have never played a FF game, but have heard a lot about it."

I think this has a chance to hit many different types of gamers, and I think it will overall help it's sales, whereas in Final Fantasy X-2, it had it's fans, it didn't try to get new ones. Those who hated turn based knew to stay away; Most who hated Final Fantasy X knew to stay away. But the advantage is that, what's been done in FFCC has never been done in the series before, and that's definately a reason for people to buy this game.

Oh, the only thing maybe holding it back, is the Gameboy Advance requirement. But then again, when you think about how many people own GBA's, it isn't like too many people won't have access to GBA's.

[zeronumber]

Exactly, if you owned a gamecube for at least a year or so, it's most likely you already have a gba and gba/gcn cable by now.

[gaunletlegends]

OK, so overall, opinions were hugely mixed on this topic. Basically, a complete tie, except for those very... -optomistic- people voting for over 500,000 in the US. Well, I guess we will find out in mid-March, with the release of the sales charts.

[DarkLink]

Final Fantasy X-2 reached the million mark last December and most of my friends already bought this game so I think it will sell at least 500k.

[gaunletlegends]

Final Fantasy X-2 reached the million mark last December and most of my friends already bought this game so I think it will sell at least 500k.

million mark WORLDWIDE.

[Halemar]

it should sell good its a great game :)

[RobotRob86]

I go by how it's selling in stores around my house (for I am not Reuters or NPD). Judging from the reaction at retail stores near my development, I would say it's going to sell 200K, maybe 500K tops in the US in the first few months. It'll pull a Metroid Prime, where people didn't buy it initially, but the sales added up to a million seller. It will keep a steady 10 spot in charts. Still, we have to remember that Ninty is forking over the entire budget for the game, so Square could care less if it sells or not. They got a free ride on the Q-Fund train, with the Nintendo conductor Game Designers Studio. Square barely even touched the series. Maybe character models and some recognized monster characters (SOME). It should really be called "Dubious Nintendo RPG" or "Secret of Mana 3D" if anything. Still, I love the game (mostly because it's Secret of Mana), and I hope it gains a whole lot of success. I just don't see it doing phenominal. We all thought Panzer Dragoon was gonna kick @ss on the charts, but alas to our disappointment.

[Nyceane]

this game is simply amazing... god i can't get 1 more connection cable because connection cables already sold out

gamespot around my house had 46 copies from shipment, 5 copies left after 2 weeks, eb games around my house had 50 copies from shipment, 7 copies left... it will sell a lot

[DarkLink]

Trust me regular people that don't know anything about games will probably buy the game just because it has the Final Fantasy name and this will greatly increase the total amount of sales for the month of February.

[RobotRob86]

Yeah, the link shortage p*ssed me off too. So I went and bought a 3rd party link cable. It was awesome! The price tage said $14.99 (I wanted to get my game on, so I was willing to pay it), I walked up to the register, the cashier rang it up and said "$5.25 please." I was sooo happy! I can't figure out what genius at NoA got the idea to ship FFCC with a quarter of the necessary cables shipped, while having a free GBA connectivity cable deal with the preorder of Colluseum. They should be sacked, then hung from the tallest tower.

[Sega_Sage]

Well I already voted on the thread once, but I failed to post a reply. I feel that the game will do about 325,000 units in North America. Which is a good thing. That will show the strength of third party games being able to sell on the GC if they are the right kind of game. So far, the game has been selling rather quickly at my job. In fact we can't keep the link cable in stock soley because of this game. I think that this will give Square Enix more confidence in the GC as well. Perhaps they will make one or two more games via the Nintendo funded Game Designers Studio...and with that bit of success...they may develop games udner their own power. And who knows...the Gamecube may get its own Final Fantasy drama instead of a Final Fantasy action RPG.

[uhhsam]

all you people should have pre-ordered it to get a free link cable... i had one from a long time ago though for animal crossing

[Sega_Sage]

I didn't pre-order Final Fantays actually. I just bought a copy the second day it was out (my store had enough spare copies). I already had one link cable because a friend of mine bought one so he could play Legend of Zelda the Wind Waker with me. I then bought my own link cable so that he and I could both play Final Fantasy.

[gaunletlegends]

Well I already voted on the thread once, but I failed to post a reply. I feel that the game will do about 325,000 units in North America. Which is a good thing. That will show the strength of third party games being able to sell on the GC if they are the right kind of game. So far, the game has been selling rather quickly at my job. In fact we can't keep the link cable in stock soley because of this game. I think that this will give Square Enix more confidence in the GC as well. Perhaps they will make one or two more games via the Nintendo funded Game Designers Studio...and with that bit of success...they may develop games udner their own power. And who knows...the Gamecube may get its own Final Fantasy drama instead of a Final Fantasy action RPG.


It's been rumored that Games Designers Studios is working on another FF game for Gamecube, and it's been rumored that it is in fact FF7, FF8, and FF9 REMAKES.

That's a rumor, anyway. Jking made a topic about it a couple days ago.

[Sega_Sage]

Though they are well made, I am getting tired of everything being a remake of a PSone hit. That was the problem with the Ngage. Even though these remakes feature new puzzles or other new elements, I would rather see a spin off a la Final Fantasy Crystal Chronicles as opposed to another remake/port. I already have Final Fantays VIII on my PC...I wouldn't want to own it again.

[straycat]

CHEERS on that. If I wanna play old games i ll play my ps1 games. Give us something new.

[zeronumber]

Again, ff7 was made...7 years ago...
It was great when I played it, 7 years ago...

[gaunletlegends]

Though they are well made, I am getting tired of everything being a remake of a PSone hit. That was the problem with the Ngage. Even though these remakes feature new puzzles or other new elements, I would rather see a spin off a la Final Fantasy Crystal Chronicles as opposed to another remake/port. I already have Final Fantays VIII on my PC...I wouldn't want to own it again.

So take this opportunity to play FF7 and FF9, which, frankly, are much better than FF8. Seriously, though, it's not as easy to enjoy those old games anymore. A remake (completely redone) would be sweet. Not only as a collector's addition, but just to re-play through but with better hardware. While I enjoyed FF7,8, and 9, I was not AMAZED by the graphics as I was supposed to be, since I didn't play them back then. Now, this will not only get new gamers hooked on Final Fantasy, but be a great opportunity to show Gamecube's great power, and once again, amaze gamers with the graphics of these games.

[therealxteboy]

another remake will make the GC's reputation as console for remakes, rehashes and old ports, why cant they come up with something new next time, if they can do it with PS2 and XBox they can surely do it with GC....lol.....

[Muzzy Unltd]

another remake will make the GC's reputation as console for remakes, rehashes and old ports, why cant they come up with something new next time, if they can do it with PS2 and XBox they can surely do it with GC....lol.....
Old ports? I think Xbox takes that title.

[RobotRob86]

another remake will make the GC's reputation as console for remakes, rehashes and old ports, why cant they come up with something new next time, if they can do it with PS2 and XBox they can surely do it with GC....lol.....

Ports maybe, but remakes there are few. And even the ports are of recent DC games. Only the RE games are ports of a PS1 title. The other ports from previous gens come free with Nintendo games. The reason for this: the XBox is easier to build a graphics engine on. Plain and simple. The PS2 has the backward compatability thing, so no need for ports. And you want to talk about rehashes? What do you get when you keep changing the same formula around (Shinobi)? You get Ninja Gaiden, Otogi, Matagama, etc. Rehash the Xbox has too. Or how about generic racing/sports games? Please! Every system has rehashes this generation. So don't make an ignorant comment such as this. Like I said before, the gaming industry has caought up with the music industry in that most stuff is generic, and only a few gems once every blue moon hold even the slightest bit of originality. It's the same all over. So don't peddle the generation's failures on the GCN. Besides, the GCn's reputation is of providing too many E and T games. Everyone knows that.

[Camron Kosciozko]

100% agree wit Rob.

All the systems have rehashes man. Its also getting annoying with them porting old games to these machines.

[therealxteboy]

another remake will make the GC's reputation as console for remakes, rehashes and old ports, why cant they come up with something new next time, if they can do it with PS2 and XBox they can surely do it with GC....lol.....

Ports maybe, but remakes there are few. And even the ports are of recent DC games. Only the RE games are ports of a PS1 title. The other ports from previous gens come free with Nintendo games. The reason for this: the XBox is easier to build a graphics engine on. Plain and simple. The PS2 has the backward compatability thing, so no need for ports. And you want to talk about rehashes? What do you get when you keep changing the same formula around (Shinobi)? You get Ninja Gaiden, Otogi, Matagama, etc. Rehash the Xbox has too. Or how about generic racing/sports games? Please! Every system has rehashes this generation. So don't make an ignorant comment such as this. Like I said before, the gaming industry has caought up with the music industry in that most stuff is generic, and only a few gems once every blue moon hold even the slightest bit of originality. It's the same all over. So don't peddle the generation's failures on the GCN. Besides, the GCn's reputation is of providing too many E and T games. Everyone knows that.

you're missing my point, rob, im not saying GC is the only console with rehashes, but you have to admit, they do have MORE rehashed and old ports from a different generation(i.e. PS1 and DC ports)......this shouldnt be a BIG deal if the GC has a HUGE library of NEW games but the sad fact is Nintendo is looking desperate to just add games to their library, i wouldnt mind seeing ports and remakes from time to time, but dont expect gamers to play an OLD port they have played ages ago all over again.......this is either cutting risks for Nintendo or a desperate act to build up their GC games library, if they fixed their 3rd party support problem from the start this OLD ports wouldnt have been an option now for them, but since they desperately need games, i guess OLD ports will do and that's the attitude im seeing from them right now....

[veterangamer]

Hell dude, the DC (even though is gone) IS from this generation!. And PS2 has their share of Capcom ported games as well FROM THE DC! (RE: Code Veronica X, Marvel Vs. Capcom 2, Capcom Vs. SNK 2 etc.,) And as far as old ports go, from what I see from here on out, the GC isn't gettin anymore OLD ports (at least, not from Nintendo, nor Sega for that matter). Oh and one more thing (everyone should know this by now, Capcom ALWAYS PORT OLD GAMES) no matter what the console. They've been doing it for years, and hasn't stopped yet.

[gaunletlegends]

"i wouldnt mind seeing ports and remakes from time to time, but dont expect gamers to play an OLD port they have played ages ago all over again........"

Yeah, sure Xteboy. If this was released, it would sell through the roof.

[zeronumber]

He has a point GL....

[nickj123]

how many ports are on the GC all I know are Resident Evil 2,3, Code Veronica. And that's about it. Xbox has it's fair share of ports as well like Roller Coaster Tycoon. Direct port from the pc and not a very good one either. I don't think the sonic games were ports, they might be, but I thought those were remakes. So please inform me XTE, Zero ( without the words idiot or moron that have no reasoning behind them as some of us saw in the PS2 forum)

[gaunletlegends]

He has a point GL....

I asure you that this would be a huge seller on Gamecube. People play through old games all the time. Why not remakes?

[veterangamer]

Also, the fact that FFCC has been the best selling game at Amazon.com for weeks is definately something worth noting.

I don't think it will sell over 500,000 units, though, because, truthfully, that's amazing. Final Fantasy X-2 for PS2 just recently passed the 500,000 mark in the US. And that's on a console with a much larger fanbase.


And still is the best selling game at amazon. And it's also the most searched and talked about GC game at gamefaqs.com as well. The only other GC game I see rivaling this (sales wise) is pokemon collessium.

Looks like the RPG craze is ALIVE AND WELL on GC! lol

[zeronumber]

He has a point GL....

I asure you that this would be a huge seller on Gamecube. People play through old games all the time. Why not remakes?

First off, granted some games even as enhanced ports sell good, but they usually never out sell the originals...

Some enhanced ports don't even sell at all.
Like shenmue 2, skies of arcadia legends, even the crazy taxi spoofs...

Usually it's in the companies best interest to just make new games.
Plus the fact you can still buy the ff remakes for psone and play them on ps2, well, why bother porting them out again?

Even ff chronicals(4 and chrono trigger) an ffanthology(5+6) didn't go off to sell that well anyway...

What makes you think by just putting them on a gamecube will be enough to make them a great selling games?

The only game that will have some what of good sales is probably ff7 because it has one of the biggest cult followings of the ff7 series.

[zeronumber]

how many ports are on the GC all I know are Resident Evil 2,3, Code Veronica. And that's about it. Xbox has it's fair share of ports as well like Roller Coaster Tycoon. Direct port from the pc and not a very good one either. I don't think the sonic games were ports, they might be, but I thought those were remakes. So please inform me XTE, Zero ( without the words idiot or moron that have no reasoning behind them as some of us saw in the PS2 forum)

Yeah, and they don't sell well eighter.
Plus you forgot, a whole lot of ports for gcn...

Gcn has Resdent evil(sitll a port, even if it's a remake), Metal gear solid: Twin snakes.(same for resident evil), Sonic adventure dx and Sonic adventure 2 battle, Skies of arcadia lendgends, Zelda: ocarina of time,
Crazy taxi etc...

Most of these titles(w/exception fo MGS: TS because it hasn't come out yet) didn't sell better then the originals, and in some cases barely sold at all.

Rehashes don't do well, and even if they do, they don't do as well as a brand new game would. Plus, the last 5 years had it's good share of remakes and ports, I'm sure most gamers feel the novelty of replaying games for newer systems has worn off.

[RobotRob86]

"you're missing my point, rob, im not saying GC is the only console with rehashes, but you have to admit, they do have MORE rehashed and old ports from a different generation(i.e. PS1 and DC ports)"

PS1 games = RE2 and 3.

The only reason companies port their old DC games is because they didn't get the chance to truly shine. And I've noticed that if they port a DC game onto the Cube, they usually add something in there so that fans of the game will play as well (i.e. Skies of Arcadia, both SA's). Besides, a good portion of those ports sell well on the GCN, a sign that they're not unwelcome ports.

"......this shouldnt be a BIG deal if the GC has a HUGE library of NEW games but the sad fact is Nintendo is looking desperate to just add games to their library, i wouldnt mind seeing ports and remakes from time to time, but dont expect gamers to play an OLD port they have played ages ago all over again"

How do you mean? It's the third parties doing this. Nintendo has SOME say in this, but they're not going to refuse support from a third party after LAST generation, with the N64. If Nintendo were desperate to add games to their library, a good chunk of their dev teams wouldn't be sitting idle, planning for the N5. They're not hard pressed. They have plenty of good games, just not some that you enjoy.

".......this is either cutting risks for Nintendo or a desperate act to build up their GC games library, if they fixed their 3rd party support problem from the start this OLD ports wouldnt have been an option now for them, but since they desperately need games, i guess OLD ports will do and that's the attitude im seeing from them right now...."

Well, there is the old cliche stating that to improve you must take baby steps. They're not going to transition overnight from N64 to PS2 support. And I can't see how people can call this risk evasion. Isn't it risky to release old games to an audience demanding more? I don't think you're being fair. If Ninty doesn't have the persuasion money to throw around like MS, or the steadfast track record of Sony, then how can they mend their relationships except through diplomacy? And diplomacy takes time.

[gaunletlegends]

"First off, granted some games even as enhanced ports sell good, but they usually never out sell the originals..."

I think it's possible that they could outsell the originals. Many more people play video games now than back then.

"Some enhanced ports don't even sell at all.
Like shenmue 2, skies of arcadia legends,"

Bad examples. Those games had no fanbase from the beginning, so why would ports and remakes sell?

"Plus the fact you can still buy the ff remakes for psone and play them on ps2, well, why bother porting them out again?"

There are no FF remakes. FF7, FF8, and FF9 have never been remade. I assume you meant the games themselves. Yes, you can play them on PS2, but why do that when you can buy....a COMPLETELY remade version, with very many special features. It will end up being like chosing between getting a movie on VHS or DVD. VHS will get you by, but you get no extra special features that the DVD will give you. That's why DVD's are rapidly replacing VHS.

"Even ff chronicals(4 and chrono trigger) an ffanthology(5+6) didn't go off to sell that well anyway..."

Because getting people to play through a 2-D game is impossible, basically. And they were not remakes! They were ports, with a few added FMV's. Why would people buy them?

"What makes you think by just putting them on a gamecube will be enough to make them a great selling games?"

They won't be just putting a game on Gamecube, they will be REMAKING IT. lol really, man.

"The only game that will have some what of good sales is probably ff7 because it has one of the biggest cult followings of the ff7 series."

I think they should be sold together, but that's just me. And, also FF9, which came out way at the end of PS1's lifespan, so few got to play it. That can also sell. But I think they should be packaged together for a total price of $49.99 (YES, because they are not ports, they are remakes!!!!!)

If they are sold separately, $39.99 each would work, but it's unlikely that people would buy all 3. So if Square wants as many people as possible to play all 3 games, packaging them together would be the way to go.

[zeronumber]

"I think it's possible that they could outsell the originals. Many more people play video games now than back then. "

That's wishful thinking... It would really have to be one hell of a remake to out sell the original... Even Resident evil for gamecube never outsold the playstation one numbers....

"Bad examples. Those games had no fanbase from the beginning, so why would ports and remakes sell?"

Actually, they are good examples. The only game your talking about of the 3 that has a solid fanbase is final fantasy 7. You'll rarely find people who even bought 8 or 9, much less liked it...
Final fantasy 8 and 9 have fairly small fanbases...

"There are no FF remakes. FF7, FF8, and FF9 have never been remade. I assume you meant the games themselves. Yes, you can play them on PS2, but why do that when you can buy....a COMPLETELY remade version, with very many special features. It will end up being like chosing between getting a movie on VHS or DVD. VHS will get you by, but you get no extra special features that the DVD will give you. That's why DVD's are rapidly replacing VHS. "

I was reffering to ff4,5, and 6 which were fixed up and put on the psone.
Plus it depends on the movie.
Say there was a movie that came out but wasn't too popular...
Usually the dvd doesn't fair too well eighter. Not to many people rebuy movies on dvd if they didn't much care for the vhs, espesially when dvd's cost more? That, is a bad example.

"Because getting people to play through a 2-D game is impossible, basically. And they were not remakes! They were ports, with a few added FMV's. Why would people buy them? "

Well actually, a lot of people were into 2d games at the time and now...
But the point is valid, even if games were dramatically remade with a few extra stuff, why would you want to buy it?

"They won't be just putting a game on Gamecube, they will be REMAKING IT. lol really, man. "

Still, even totally remade, how do you expect a gamers to pay money to play a game that's been out for a long time and probably played already?
Granted, the games did well on psone, and at the times(w/all things considered) those were the best graphics at the time. Better graphics don't automatically make things better. If you were to buy sonic heroes for playstation 2, then play it on gamecube, would that have really made you like the game more? Not really, because granted if the game wasn't really all worth while before, the better version isn't going to be "better".

"I think they should be sold together, but that's just me. And, also FF9, which came out way at the end of PS1's lifespan, so few got to play it. That can also sell. But I think they should be packaged together for a total price of $49.99 (YES, because they are not ports, they are remakes!!!!!) "

But Even that sounds like a ripoff...
Most gamers are more towards the siding of ff7, it's sort of unfair to also package in 8 and 9. And that's a pretty steep price even for a remake...
Cause with all things considered, if your not bothered by the graphics, you could by all the games for a lot cheaper price...

"If they are sold separately, $39.99 each would work, but it's unlikely that people would buy all 3. So if Square wants as many people as possible to play all 3 games, packaging them together would be the way to go."

I think the way to go here is if they sold them seperately at $19.99.
Remake or not, no body should have to pay the same price for a new game, when all your getting is a shinned up old game.
Plus with that price, even people who weren't into the series would pick it up. You'd be surprised how far 20 bucks goes towards resales....

[gaunletlegends]

[quote="zeronumber"]

"That's wishful thinking... It would really have to be one hell of a remake to out sell the original... Even Resident evil for gamecube never outsold the playstation one numbers...."

Well, ok, then not OUTSELL. But certainly do well on it's own. No Final Fantasy game, EVER, has sold as well as FF7. Not even FF10.


"Actually, they are good examples. The only game your talking about of the 3 that has a solid fanbase is final fantasy 7. You'll rarely find people who even bought 8 or 9, much less liked it...
Final fantasy 8 and 9 have fairly small fanbases..."

LOL dude, all Final Fantasy games have sold EXTREMELY WELL. Very well. VIII only experienced a SLIGHT drop in sales from VII, but still VIII sold very well. IX further experienced a drop, but again, that was because few were even interested in PS1 games by the time IX came out. But still, it sold well. But now tell me, doesn't that fact alone make your future points worthless? If less people even played Final Fantasy 8 and 9, then this will give them a reason to buy the remake, since they will experience the games for the first time.


"Say there was a movie that came out but wasn't too popular...
Usually the dvd doesn't fair too well eighter. Not to many people rebuy movies on dvd if they didn't much care for the vhs, espesially when dvd's cost more? That, is a bad example."

That's not what I meant. People see the movies for the first time in theatres (usually) so when it comes out on video, people have to make a decision. "Should I get the DVD, which features many special features for a higher price, or the VHS, which gives no special features?" DVD's now sell much more than VHS's.


"Well actually, a lot of people were into 2d games at the time and now...
But the point is valid, even if games were dramatically remade with a few extra stuff, why would you want to buy it?"

If those early FF games were remade, they'd run on the Final Fantasy VII engine, in full 3-D, with FMV's, and cutscenes. THAT would be a remake. Hell, I'd play it. Now, obviously, you can see why few 2-D games are remade. They require a lot of work, and the fact that FF7, FF8, and FF9 are in 3-D makes remaking them easier. Those FF games on PS1 were simply ports.


"Still, even totally remade, how do you expect a gamers to pay money to play a game that's been out for a long time and probably played already?"

Well, that's another advantage. It's been out a LONG TIME. A very long time. Many people who beat it completely forgot the game. Another chance to "get acquainted with an old friend" (ok, corny example)

"Granted, the games did well on psone, and at the times(w/all things considered) those were the best graphics at the time. Better graphics don't automatically make things better. "

But it wouldn't just feature better graphics. Cutscenes would be completely re-done with voice acting, facial expressions, etc. It would be presented like Final Fantasy X. The world map would probably feature other travelers, it would probably look amazing, etc. Graphics wouldn't be the only thing improved here.


"If you were to buy sonic heroes for playstation 2, then play it on gamecube, would that have really made you like the game more? Not really, because granted if the game wasn't really all worth while before, the better version isn't going to be "better"."

Again, I think you're confusing remakes with ports.


"But Even that sounds like a ripoff..."

3 games for the price of 1? Actually, it's a good deal. I don't know if you know this, but NEW (new, not used) copies of the PS1 FF games sell for $19.99? Buying all 3 of them would cost over $60. Selling COMPLETE REMAKES together for $50 saves the gamer $10.

"Most gamers are more towards the siding of ff7, it's sort of unfair to also package in 8 and 9. And that's a pretty steep price even for a remake...
Cause with all things considered, if your not bothered by the graphics, you could by all the games for a lot cheaper price..."

Again, the PS1 FF games are still priced at $20. So truthfully, it's not much cheaper. Plus, I don't agree. If they were all sold separately, those who never played FF games on PS1 (Trust me, there are more than you think) would all just go buy FF7 based on hype, and the other 2 would be ignored. Square-Enix wouldn't want that. So they package them all together. It really is a good deal.


"I think the way to go here is if they sold them seperately at $19.99."

The PS1 versions cost that, so it really wouldn't be much of a better deal.


"Remake or not, no body should have to pay the same price for a new game, when all your getting is a shinned up old game."

It wouldn't be just shinned up, but I do see your point. But I do think you're wrong. People would pay $50 for these complete remakes. Because let's fact it. People (althougn not at these boards) WANT THESE REMAKES. Square-Enix would spend a lot of time and money on them, and to sell them all for only $19.99 would be insane! They wouldn't profit. The Resident Evil Remake, for example; it would be retarded if Capcom charged $20 for it!

"Plus with that price, even people who weren't into the series would pick it up. You'd be surprised how far 20 bucks goes towards resales...."

But when Square-Enix spends so much time and money (improved FMV's for FF7, better character models, replacing Pre-renders with real time, and interactive environments, adding facial expressions and voice acting,) they can't charge the same price as how their PS1 games sell. They just wouldn't make a profit.

[gaunletlegends]

Yeah, currently, most retailers sell new copies of FF7, FF8, and FF9 from $15-$20 EACH.

[zeronumber]

Ok, forget all that.
Still, exactly why would say I(an rpg gamer) want to replay a remade game?

Granted, graphics went from pathetic 400,000 polys/s to 14million poly/s.
Sound went from midi files to fully Orchestated numbers.

Fmv will turn into outstanding looking masterpieces...
Written dialouge will change to voice overs...

Very cool...

But what will be done about the story?
Granted I'm reliving an experience, but it's the same experience......

Cloud helps tifa an barret, siephoroth kills aries, cload kills siephoroth and metor gets brooken before it could destroy midgear and for that matter the world...

And....??? :roll:

So I just wasted 50 bucks so I can go past the same story, yet again?
Granted, it's not so much of a drawback to play the "Remade" version as the old version...but it's still the same story.....

So what does that equivalte to?
Personally, I would find this more of a rental then a must have buy...

The idea behind advent children sounds a bit more appealing...
Granted, if it's a movie or a game(which really hasn't been officially decleared eighter as of yet.) I'd much rather see a continuation of a story...Wouldn't you agree?

[gaunletlegends]

Yes, but the fact that the company says that they have no plan to turn Advent Children into a game kind of makes it seem impossible that the game could be put on Gamecube.

[RobotRob86]

I would wait and see how Advent Children's story pans out. If it's good, then I would want a sequel. But I don't want any of this knee-deep pseudo storyline that games like FFX had. I want to look back 7 years later (like the original FFVII) and STILL be analyzing the game's story. I know they can't accomplish this in a mere 1 hour movie, but I'm hopeful. I just hope the guy that did FFX's storyline (the guy writing the FFVII AC script) doesn't mess this up.

And Gaunlet, I love FFVII so much over FFX because I actually got into the story. I know a plot is good when I start reading the game's fanfics to see where others took the story. The materia system is, IMO, one of the best spell systems out there. It didn't limit you to what your party members could and couldn't do (which is another reason I loved FFX-2 over X), i.e. jobs. It has a soundtrack that, to this day, rivals anything else out on the market. The characters were believable. If Tidus grew up listening to his dad making fun of him crying all the time, he would grow up to be the opposite of a whiny b*tch... a bad @ss. Cloud, while many people call him cliche, started the loner, depressed protagonist cliche in RPGs. But most of all, it has one of the most emotional scenes in gaming: when Aerith dies and Cloud lets her sink to the bottom of the lake. This is why I love FFVII.

And this isn't in response to anything in this thread, but more in response to everytime you say "[you] can't believe people love [FFVII] so much".

[gaunletlegends]

I would wait and see how Advent Children's story pans out. If it's good, then I would want a sequel. But I don't want any of this knee-deep pseudo storyline that games like FFX had. I want to look back 7 years later (like the original FFVII) and STILL be **** the game's story. I know they can't accomplish this in a mere 1 hour movie, but I'm hopeful. I just hope the guy that did FFX's storyline (the guy writing the FFVII AC script) doesn't mess this up.

And Gaunlet, I love FFVII so much over FFX because I actually got into the story. I know a plot is good when I start reading the game's fanfics to see where others took the story. The materia system is, IMO, one of the best spell systems out there. It didn't limit you to what your party members could and couldn't do (which is another reason I loved FFX-2 over X), i.e. jobs. It has a soundtrack that, to this day, rivals anything else out on the market. The characters were believable. If Tidus grew up listening to his dad making fun of him crying all the time, he would grow up to be the opposite of a whiny b*tch... a bad @ss. Cloud, while many people call him cliche, started the loner, depressed protagonist cliche in RPGs. But most of all, it has one of the most emotional scenes in gaming: when Aerith dies and Cloud lets her sink to the bottom of the lake. This is why I love FFVII.

And this isn't in response to anything in this thread, but more in response to everytime you say "[you] can't believe people love [FFVII] so much".

I liked VII a lot, but I thought there just wasn't enough action in the plot. So it was kind of a bore. But not bad at all. The plot was very memorable.
Robotrob, have you BEATEN FFX? Because the ending scene/s were VERY memorable, and sad.

I really liked FFX. Great, powerful plot. And Tidus's dad wasn't abusive or anything, just overly critical. So no, Tidus wouldn't be bas @$$. But I don't see why you'd want another miserable main character. Cloud, from FF7, was very cool, although hardly likable. Squall, from FF8, was not just angry and sad, but boring. All conversations other characters had with him were a complete bore, because he never said anything.

Materia System was OK, but much like the junction system, characters were completely customizable. I didn't like that. It really made no difference who you played as. I mean, does it really matter if you play as Red XIII instead of Cait Sith? No. They can be made exactly the same. I really didn't like that. I kind of liked specific jobs like in FFIX and FFX.

[gaunletlegends]

And the music wasn't the best in VII, man. It was so synthesized it was sometimes BAD. FFX's orchestrated soundtrack was much better.

[gaunletlegends]

I wasn't really sad about the death in FF7 because, unfortunately, it was so early in the game, and you hardly got to know the person! The death in FF7 was emotional, and a very well done scene. But I was actually more sad at the end of FFIX, because, I knew the person who the game made you think was dead. I "knew" him a lot better than I knew Aeris! I also kind of could tell she was the one who would die from....basically, the first time you saw her in the game. It wasn't exactly a surprise. For me, at least.

Again, beat FFX.

[RobotRob86]

I wasn't really sad about the death in FF7 because, unfortunately, it was so early in the game, and you hardly got to know the person! The death in FF7 was emotional, and a very well done scene. But I was actually more sad at the end of FFIX, because, I knew the person who the game made you think was dead. I "knew" him a lot better than I knew Aeris! I also kind of could tell she was the one who would die from....basically, the first time you saw her in the game. It wasn't exactly a surprise. For me, at least.

Again, beat FFX.

I did beat FFX. I could give away the plot, but that would be rude. And Disc 1 contained most of the game. Aeris was killed in Disc 1. Discs 2 and 3 contained more overworld to explore, and more FMV.

And I wasn't talking of the sound quality. I was talking about the actual music. Get your hands on a piano rendition or an orchestrated score from FFVII and you will know. There were about three songs in FFX I could get into. I didn't feel the immersion. I felt it in FFVII.

And here's where you and I obviously differ: the characters. Tidus has been done before, many times over, but in anime. He's the stereotypical whiny protagonist that must rise to the occasion (Shinji Hikari from Evangelion). He has a neglegent father (Gendo Hikari) who turns out to have a hidden motive for neglecting him. Sans the psychological/religious thrill ride, and the overly obnoxious female character, this is Evangelion. That's probably the main reason why I can't stand FFX's story. It leeches. I think the biggest problem people have going back to FFVII is that the graphics are too poor to convey emotions. Only the FMV's did that, to a degree, but most facial expressions didn't change. This is one of the main reasons why I would love a remake.

And again, you differ from me. I didn't like the Junction System because you could make your characters godly right out the starting gates. But FFVII had a lot more customization than just Materia. Each character's stats differed from one another. Did you ever notice how Tifa/Yuffie always seemed to get their turn faster than Cloud or Barret? Yeah, it's because Tifa's a fighter, and Yuffie's a ninja. There's individuality in it. Or how about the limit breaks? There's a reason why FAQs about the game suggest certain characters over others in different parts of the game. If they were the same, no one would care. So there's definitely a difference between characters. Also, the Cloud-date scenario, where choices you make during the game choose who you go on a date with at the Golden Saucer signify a differ in personality from character to character. You can wind up going with anyone in your party, depending on their position in the battlefield, and how you talk to them. I think here, the voice acting in FFX helped to give the characters a boost in personality that a text-based conversation in FFVII didn't provide. Again, it's the technology advantage of being released a good 5 years after FFVII.

[gaunletlegends]

I wasn't really sad about the death in FF7 because, unfortunately, it was so early in the game, and you hardly got to know the person! The death in FF7 was emotional, and a very well done scene. But I was actually more sad at the end of FFIX, because, I knew the person who the game made you think was dead. I "knew" him a lot better than I knew Aeris! I also kind of could tell she was the one who would die from....basically, the first time you saw her in the game. It wasn't exactly a surprise. For me, at least.

Again, beat FFX.

I did beat FFX. I could give away the plot, but that would be rude.

LOL ironically, you gave away who died in FF7. Hopefully, nobody who hasn't yet played the game will not view this.

Yes, the fact that the entire game of FF7 basically took place on disc 1 kinda made the others boring.

But I'll add about the music; the music in FF7 was synthesized sound effects. It wasn't really catchy. Only in FMV's (like the death) was the music great. Sort of.

FFX had an amazing soundtrack that I still remember.

[nintendo1224]

probably make it to 100 million units at least

[gaunletlegends]

probably make it to 100 million units at least

100 million!?!?!?!?!?!? You mean 100 thousand. No video game has ever made 100 million.

[zeronumber]

I would seriously crap my pants if it did sell over 100million copies.

[Nyceane]

its top selling now

[nintendo1224]

it will do great i might even buy it and i dont even like final fantasy

[DarkLink]

EB Games' US top-selling console games - February 9 to 15, 2004:

Rank / Title / Console / Publisher
1 / Final Fantasy: Crystal Chronicles / GC / Nintendo
2 / Champions of Norrath / PS2 / SOE
3 / Metroid: Zero Mission / GBA / Nintendo
4 / Unreal II: The Awakening / Xbox / Atari
5 / NFL Street / PS2 / EA
6 / Mafia / PS2 / Take-Two
7 / Yu-Gi-Oh! World Championship Tournament 2004 / GBA / Konami
8 / Need for Speed Underground / PS2 / EA
9 / Baldur's Gate: Dark Alliance II / PS2 / Interplay
10 / True Crime: Streets of LA / PS2 / Activision

[gaunletlegends]

Robotrob, you beat FFX? Wait a minute. I thought you stopped at 15 hours into it!

[zeronumber]

Robotrob, you beat FFX? Wait a minute. I thought you stopped at 15 hours into it!

Hmm15hours...that would mean you only got up to the thunderplains...tops.

[gaunletlegends]

He clamied that he got past the Al Bhed Home part, which didn't make sense to me. But he overall said he stopped at about 15 hours. Now he says he beat it. I'm a little confused here.

[RobotRob86]

Robotrob, you beat FFX? Wait a minute. I thought you stopped at 15 hours into it!

No, I said by myself I got up to that point. I also said I played a joint game with my friend. We beat the game on that record within 35 hours. Besides, I mentioned that how long ago? Could it have been possible that I went back and played it again? You shouldn't jump to conclusions either way.

[gaunletlegends]

Robotrob, you beat FFX? Wait a minute. I thought you stopped at 15 hours into it!

No, I said by myself I got up to that point. I also said I played a joint game with my friend. We beat the game on that record within 35 hours. Besides, I mentioned that how long ago? Could it have been possible that I went back and played it again? You shouldn't jump to conclusions either way.

I assumed that you wouldn't go back and play it again. And I was right, wasn't I?

So, you didn't play through the entire game yourself?

[Duncan52]

NERDS!

[RobotRob86]

Robotrob, you beat FFX? Wait a minute. I thought you stopped at 15 hours into it!

No, I said by myself I got up to that point. I also said I played a joint game with my friend. We beat the game on that record within 35 hours. Besides, I mentioned that how long ago? Could it have been possible that I went back and played it again? You shouldn't jump to conclusions either way.

I assumed that you wouldn't go back and play it again. And I was right, wasn't I?

So, you didn't play through the entire game yourself?

Point being? All that matters is that I:

1) Played the game.
2) Witnessed the story.
3) Gained an opinion of it.

You really aren't walking into a point gaunlet, and it only seems like you're returning to the same inconclusive question. I Didn't play through it all by myself with no one in the room but me. No I did not. Did I see the game from beginning to completion, and get a chance to play a good portion of it? Yes I did. Are you going to sit here and tell me that because I didn't play more than half the game, but still know what the story is, that I somehow missed on some key gameplay elements? I hope so, otherwise this would be a waste of time.

[gaunletlegends]

Robotrob, you beat FFX? Wait a minute. I thought you stopped at 15 hours into it!

No, I said by myself I got up to that point. I also said I played a joint game with my friend. We beat the game on that record within 35 hours. Besides, I mentioned that how long ago? Could it have been possible that I went back and played it again? You shouldn't jump to conclusions either way.

I assumed that you wouldn't go back and play it again. And I was right, wasn't I?

So, you didn't play through the entire game yourself?

Point being? All that matters is that I:

1) Played the game.
2) Witnessed the story.
3) Gained an opinion of it.

You really aren't walking into a point gaunlet, and it only seems like you're returning to the same inconclusive question. I Didn't play through it all by myself with no one in the room but me. No I did not. Did I see the game from beginning to completion, and get a chance to play a good portion of it? Yes I did. Are you going to sit here and tell me that because I didn't play more than half the game, but still know what the story is, that I somehow missed on some key gameplay elements? I hope so, otherwise this would be a waste of time.

Well...it is usually a better game if you play it yourself. Some things are better played than watched, but then again, if you believe you saw what the game had to offer by watching it, again, that's fine too. You saved yourself some money.

[soccerdude33]

i'm confused

[gaunletlegends]

about what?