Why do people do this?

[wYcKeDjUgGaLo]

Why are there so many people who sell synth mats for more than the shop prices?

For example... Nanocarbon... the cheapest price in any shop is the same as the NPC price... and only one shop has it that price, everyone else is 3k+

Are there people who actually buy at those prices?

[PochoKing]

No there none. People that charge more than NPC shop price are nothing but idoits who are probably never gonna get it for that. The smart thing to price nano carbons is under the NPC price but more than what you get from selling to NPC. That way you get some profit.

[wYcKeDjUgGaLo]

That's my thinking on it as well. Oh well, it seems that looking for synth materials in players shops is simply a waste of time. 90% of player shops charge over vendor prices for synth materials, and the time taken to find the shops that sell it cheap, I could have gotten another run or two in, instead of wandering through player shops.

It's a shame that so many :):):):)hats have to ruin it for the few people who are being decent to their fellow players (and still making money at the same time, imagine that)

[yjsays]

I believe the people who are selling it for that amount either dosn't want to sell it; are 13 year olds who don't know any better; or would fail terribly in buisness.

it's annoying as well up to the point where I won't even look at players shops many times.

[Demesis]

I just wanna second that people who sell stuff more then the vendor are idiots.

I hope they read this too!!!

[Bacchus]

I just wanna second that people who sell stuff more then the vendor are idiots.

I hope they read this too!!!

[captain nintendo]

I just wanna second that people who sell stuff more then the vendor are idiots.

I hope they read this too!!!

*Agrees*

For the most part, I sell items at half of NPC shops. Yes I try and get the most out of top sellers, but I still sell them for less. Nanocarbons I sell at 2k normally.

[Headshot Samurai]

No there none. People that charge more than NPC shop price are nothing but idoits who are probably never gonna get it for that. The smart thing to price nano carbons is under the NPC price but more than what you get from selling to NPC. That way you get some profit.
Like a 5,000M G Trap?

[wYcKeDjUgGaLo]

I just wanna second that people who sell stuff more then the vendor are idiots.

I hope they read this too!!!

*Agrees*

For the most part, I sell items at half of NPC shops. Yes I try and get the most out of top sellers, but I still sell them for less. Nanocarbons I sell at 2k normally.

I'd be thrilled to be able to find nanocarbons regularly at 2k.

Hmmm, there's a part of me that wants to start putting a list together of shops that overcharge for items, and distrubute that list to people....

[Necrosis]

Same buisness model that PSU uses, pay more for less. Dont blame the idiots charging too much, they are under sega's influence.

[Headshot Samurai]

I agree with that list.. i hate seeing 5* weapons going for 15k + (cause when i buy my Calaud for 4.5k) NO ONE WILL BUY THEM!

But that list is a good idea!

[BossMadOne]

You want to know why ? here is why.. because they searched other shops to find the current price for the item. If you take the average of say.. 3 shops and make yours the same (maybe a bit less) with out checking the NPC (if you even know that is available there) you end up continuing the wrong price.

I did this.. when I first opened my shop.. Yes, it was a mistake.. but I've all ready researched the prices for all known NPC items and have took a average from atleast 3 other shop to make my price. NOW.. that does not mean I'm lower then some other users shop.. that just means that I've set a price that is competitive for that item.

Chances are.. that is exactly what those people did..

[Demesis]

still makes them idiots for not checking npc first and checking other shops instead and wasting my time going to their shops just to see items i need being sold at 3 times the npc price

[Syi]

alot of people put up one item (like m:):):):)line) at a crazy price so that people looking for the item will stop at their shop and buy something else. I miss the large community shop. That way you can see right off the bat what people are really selling crap for. This is just stupid and a waste of time with all the false advertising.

[wYcKeDjUgGaLo]

I think this 'issue' that alot of people have expressed anoyance with (me included) would be largely solved if, in a future update, PSU were to include the listed price in the shop search.

Because then, it would really be price competition, rather than, "I've been to 30 shops which stock this now... I'm just tired of looking, so I'll buy it here for a ridiculous price, simply because I've already wasted over an hour."

[brahin]

Its this simple...... Too many over pricing idiots from ffxi think wer dumb enouph to fall for the same old :):):):). Personally i just dont buy from user shops unless there freinds with a good price or someone i hear about from word of mouth from freinds.

[scodoublet]

Now I'm pretty sure that most of the shops that are overcharging for certain things just never bothered to check the NPC shop for the items. If it really makes you that mad, then don't buy those peoples stuff. Just go to the NPC to get everything. The shop owner is free to charge whatever the heck they want. It's the job of the buyer to know the prices and buy accordingly. If you are just complaining about this because it takes up too much of your time, just go to the NPC like I said. It pays to be patient and search for a good deal.

[Atrix]

I'm pretty sure that most of the overchargers are just greedy, money-grabbing gits. I don't buy the "Oh, I didn't know what the NPCs sell it for" garbage.

I sell everything in my shop for less than the NPCs sell it. I sell Nanocarbon for between 2000 and 2400 depending on the day - even if I could get 5k each for them. I sell my 4 star weapons for 2.5 and 3k even though they're 8600 from the NPCs. I don't know how the sleazy vendors sleep at night...

It would be nice if we could trust everyone to be honest with their adverts and prices, but that's sadly not the way the world is, so in the end it's a case of caveat emptor.

[scodoublet]

I'm pretty sure that most of the overchargers are just greedy, money-grabbing gits. I don't buy the "Oh, I didn't know what the NPCs sell it for" garbage.

I'm pretty sure that you are wrong. Why would I, or anyone else, purposefuly set an item at a higher price than they can be bought at the store... thats just stupid, and not a good way to make a sale. Just like in the real world, it is the buyers responsiblility to figure out how much stuff is worth and buy stuff accordingly... If you or I or anybody else is dumb enough to buy something from a player that they could get cheaper at the NPC, well thats there own fault.

[wYcKeDjUgGaLo]

I'm pretty sure that most of the overchargers are just greedy, money-grabbing gits. I don't buy the "Oh, I didn't know what the NPCs sell it for" garbage.

I'm pretty sure that you are wrong. Why would I, or anyone else, purposefuly set an item at a higher price than they can be bought at the store... thats just stupid, and not a good way to make a sale. Just like in the real world, it is the buyers responsiblility to figure out how much stuff is worth and buy stuff accordingly... If you or I or anybody else is dumb enough to buy something from a player that they could get cheaper at the NPC, well thats there own fault.

So, you're saying that the seller has no responsibility to be familiar with the product they're selling, and are justified in misrepresenting such products to the consumer base?

"Yeah, we got this car here, and it's worth every penny of 50 grand. Yeah, I know it's a Ford Taurus, so? It's a valuable commodity. I have every right to sell it for 50 grand if I want."

There's a reason why there's laws that prohibit that sort of thing in the United States. That's why there's a Better Business Bureau. So, yes, people are upset because their fellow players can't be decent human beings, and not try to rip off the other people they play a game with. This is further complicated by the fact that there are players which want to defend people's right to be jerks. I'm sorry, I wasn't familiar that people had that right.

[scodoublet]

I'm not trying to defend people being jerks. I'm just trying to say that a lot of people who set up there shops are just ingorant to the prices at the NPC shops. You have to understand that not everyone playing this game comes to 4 different PSU forums and reads up on everyone elses gripes about the game. If you could prove that certain people are overcharging on purpose just to trick others into paying more, then I would agree those people are jerks. But you also have to agree that it is buyers responsibility to know how much stuff should cost before spending a ton of money on something that would be cheaper at the NPC shop. It goes both ways.

Heres an example of what I am talking about. When I first opened my store, I priced a lot of things at only around double what the shop would buy it from me at. So I was selling the photons for around 20-50 Meseta each. As I had my store open for a few days, I noticed certain items would bring people right to my shop and sell out in a matter of seconds of me putting them up. Some of these were El-photon, Im-photon, and Nanocarbon, just to name a few. I ended up bumping up prices on these things because I figured there was a high demand for them and I don't find them very regularly. Well needless to say, I ended up overpricing them over what the NPC charged. But it wasn't because I was being a jerk. It was because I didn't know how much they were at the NPC shop, or that they even sold them there. Well when I found out that they could be had cheaper from the NPC, I dropped the prices right away. I really believe that this is what happens a lot of the time with other peoples over-priced items.

And again, I do agree that if anybody is purposefuly overcharging just to rip people of then yes they are being jerks. But I still believe that overcharging would stop if people knew how much stuff was worth, and didn't by the overpriced items.

Maybe we should set up some sort of an average price guide here that figured out the average between the NPC shop price, and the price the shop will buy it back from you. Also, if you go into a shop with overpriced stuff, and the shopkeeper happens to be in their room, politely tell them that they should check out a shop price guide because they have a few overpriced items. If they become a jerk about it when you tell them that, then hey, they're a jerk.

[Matrixman3780]

I don't overprice my items, they are all under vendor, sometimes much lower always reasonable prices. However.. that why my shop is always sold out and i always come home to 10k+ in my shop evey day lol. im rich in my opinion, lvl 23 with 90k meseta.

[Vanna]

Usually, I keep all my prices about 75-80% of what an NPC would sell it for, or you'd lose too much money any cheaper and it wouldn't sell if it went any higher.

[Atrix]

I'm pretty sure that most of the overchargers are just greedy, money-grabbing gits. I don't buy the "Oh, I didn't know what the NPCs sell it for" garbage.

I'm pretty sure that you are wrong. Why would I, or anyone else, purposefuly set an item at a higher price than they can be bought at the store... thats just stupid, and not a good way to make a sale. Just like in the real world, it is the buyers responsiblility to figure out how much stuff is worth and buy stuff accordingly... If you or I or anybody else is dumb enough to buy something from a player that they could get cheaper at the NPC, well thats there own fault.

You're entitled to your opinion - however naive I consider it to be. People by nature are greedy, they'll sell an item for what they can get for it regardless of what it's actually worth. There are a great many players that I KNOW are well aware of the prices of certain items, that doesn't stop them buying said items from my store then immediately relisting them at MUCH higher prices thatn the NPCs.

I imagine that there are people who genuinely have no idea that they're selling above NPC values, but I'd be willing to bet you that the majority are trying to make a quick buck.

These scammers annoy me no end, but they actually contribute to my wealth because as soon as I list Soldonium, Nanocarbon, Ortacarbon etc. they snap them up then relist them.

[hawaiian c]

lol this funny and true the only way is to set a list of set prices in the game but since they didnt, people are over charging it. me i try to go by half what the shops go to but its an hassle to go back and forth i wish there was an easier way.. is there?? if not please sega let there be an easier way

[scodoublet]

No there isn't an easier way, short of finding a good list online and printing it out. I personally keep a list of stuff on my laptop right in front of me and try to adjust accordingly.

BTW, Atrix, if my opinion is naive, isn't it just as naive to go to someones shop and pay more for something than it costs at the NPC? If nobody bought the overpriced stuff, nobody would keep overpricing their stuff. It's pretty much as simple as that.

[graymatter7]

I set my store prices at 40%-50% under the NPC and have a notebook to keep track of the price list. I still need to figure out what is in demand and whats a waste of space/time though. Haven't spent alot of time on it because i'm too busy playing but slowly working it out.

[Atrix]

BTW, Atrix, if my opinion is naive, isn't it just as naive to go to someones shop and pay more for something than it costs at the NPC? If nobody bought the overpriced stuff, nobody would keep overpricing their stuff. It's pretty much as simple as that.

Oh, I'd say they're much more naive and probably a good deal more stupid, but just because there a large proportion of clueless idiots frequenting the player shops is no reason to take advantage of them. :D

It's pretty much destroyed the weapons market too, since I could easily sell the materials needed to make a 5 star weapon for more money than I could sell the weapon itself. Strange.

[hawaiian c]

I set my store prices at 40%-50% under the NPC and have a notebook to keep track of the price list. I still need to figure out what is in demand and whats a waste of space/time though. Haven't spent alot of time on it because i'm too busy playing but slowly working it out.lkool where you get your list from my comp is on my hdtv so i can use my pip when i need to look it up.. oh by the way some things in my shop thats over 80 in stock will be only 20 mesa.. so if im not there to update and its under 80 and its 20mes you better grab it ;)..

[guise709]

i sell my prices cheap for example the 2000 dollar weapons i sell for 800 good deal and same goes with the other stuff i sell they are cheap. i wish more people were like me and had a reasonable price for their stuff.

[Vanna]

To your reply of wanting a list, it isn't out yet but this http://www.pso-world.com/items/psu/ in the future will show how much you can sell it for and how much you can buy it for from NPC's.

[Cortana]

I don't have a shop yet...but wouldn't super overcharging just be a way of saying "I don't really want to sell this but need the extra storage".

Then again, unlike other games (point's to my FFXI Discs) I've never had an issue with storage on either PSO or PSU. Not only do you have a storage bin, but a "common" bin to store stuff. thats ALOT of storage.

Overcharging is one thing, jump around till you find a better price, its still better then the "gilsell" rampant run AH system of FFXI.


But someone listed all their shop items at 13371337...

That someone needs to stop thinking their "leet" and get a life because no sane person is gonna pay that much money for anything.

[Vanna]

Those damn RMT's made me quit, I am glad PSU doesn't have a advanced economic system so those damn RMT's won't screw me over. :P (Cooking)

[Cortana]

yeah FFXI is OWNED by Gilsellers.

Its not too bad till I got my Samurai to lv50 (Cortana: HumeF: Diabolos server)...then it seemed every decent armor/weapon was a retarded amount of money. Hence why I drove 50km 4 days in a row to see if PSU came in (some shipments were delayed), because even with people overcharging, theirs still NPC's to buy items from in this game, so their is a standard set by the game, not by some A..WIPES trying to make a quick buck.

[Vanna]

Those damn Chinese players that don't sleep at all... *shutters*

[KidCut]

Alot of people who overcharge things in the beginning actually got people to think they where getting a good deal. Ones that do it now are tring to get the new people that play fall into there greedy scam's. Me I charge my stuff nice and cheap and ive been doing fine. Just wish I could stock as quick as my stuff goes off the shelfs :/

[Cortana]

actually I did a little digging into the whole FFXI gil sell scam system, I was trying to find out how they were able to get fairly large supplies of these super hot items they push out the door at outrageous prices. I found that quite a few of the operations were run by americans who basically used bots to do the vast majority of the work.

Basically:
Few guys get in on it, have to have the knowlege to make online ordering and the web side of things, or find someone that will do it for you without throwing you at the game companies mercy.

Step 1:
Get Games.
Step 2:
have 1 or two fully legit accounts on each server you wish to scam, play the game "fair" get to high levels with mage jobs
Step 3:
get bot applications from various locations, add in a few "warp" modifications, ect to help your bot or you manually get Notorious Monster drops.
Step4:
buy as many accounts/characters as you can handle
Step 5:
Powerlevel your Illegal children with your legitimate characters.
Step 6:
Put your Illegal children to work.

Have your Illegal children do all the item gathering for crafts on your legitimate characters and all the selling/handling of your gil.

Basically your legitmate characters do any crafts needed and are kept clean with the whole "I didn't know he was a gilseller, we just made a deal that he would gather Items and I craft...blah blah" excuse, if ever asked.

If your Illegal children are found out and the account shut down, the just get a new batch and raise em with you legit characters. The sweetest part of this deal is that the gil you sell, you get back when the person buys the item he bought the gil for.

NO I WAS NOT A GILSELLER, I looked into the process to see if their was any legitmate shortcuts I could take, not really you need the craft levels.


Anyways, FFXI is a completly different and stupid game. PSU doesn't have that problem because almost every, if not every item can be bought from a NPC or has a random drop rate, so with a little luck and time you can get anything, you don't have to compete against mass organizations for a monster that spawns once every 24 hours between time A and B.

In short, what was I talking about?

[TacoBurrito]

Solution to shop stupidity on the 360:

http://www.pso-world.com/viewtopic.php?topic=126339&forum=22&6

[scodoublet]

Solution to shop stupidity on the 360:

http://www.pso-world.com/viewtopic.php?topic=126339&forum=22&6

That's a pretty good idea. I think they should list more prices from things from the other shops too though.

[hawaiian c]

Solution to shop stupidity on the 360:

http://www.pso-world.com/viewtopic.php?topic=126339&forum=22&6

That's a pretty good idea. I think they should list more prices from things from the other shops too though. or they some how can link are store to a webpage. something like that..

[Kalroy]

I'm thinking they're trying to get people into their shop the dishonest way. Do a search for nanocarbon and find their shop with one nanocarbon for sale for 99,999,999 meseta.

They may also be using it to store items in greater quantity than their PM is capable of. I believe this accounts for items selling at, or slightly above, NPC store rates.


Kalroy

[DarkMessiahX]

Oh wait I just put 1 & 1 together. I read a couple days ago that ya know the shop system is flawed because when you search for items you only get one page of shops and those are the newest ones at that. Well, since there is pretty much no other competition other than that page (ecxept for npc's and players but you have to have their card) the people can simply up their prices to whatever and not really worry about it until their shop if kicked off the bottom of the page, at which time they have to lower their prices and actually start going out and giving their card.

[Billkwando]

I'm pretty sure that most of the overchargers are just greedy, money-grabbing gits. I don't buy the "Oh, I didn't know what the NPCs sell it for" garbage.

I'm pretty sure that you are wrong. Why would I, or anyone else, purposefuly set an item at a higher price than they can be bought at the store... thats just stupid, and not a good way to make a sale. Just like in the real world, it is the buyers responsiblility to figure out how much stuff is worth and buy stuff accordingly... If you or I or anybody else is dumb enough to buy something from a player that they could get cheaper at the NPC, well thats there own fault.

To quote that one guy who posts here, "As long as people keep buying traps at 2x the NPC price, I'll keep selling them".

They overprice to take advantage of people who don't know any better, or who are in a hurry. I've even fallen for this once $2000 for $1000 traps) .......and then I printed out the NPC price list from gamefaqs.com, which comes in very handy now that I have a store. I price everything at half the NPC price or less, unless it's a rare, which don't have NPC prices.

[Billkwando]

There are a great many players that I KNOW are well aware of the prices of certain items, that doesn't stop them buying said items from my store then immediately relisting them at MUCH higher prices thatn the NPCs.

Yep....every time I put up a Greasegun it vanishes immediately. Sometimes I follow people back to their room to see if they have a store.....cos I'm gonna start blacklisting people who buy my stuff just to mark it up. I created my store to help people who need stuff.

I followed somebody back to his room yesterday who'd just bought a lockgun from me. He had no store and was feeding his PM, so I just gave him the 3 sabers I happened to be carrying (he had a strike PM), he said "thanks" and I said "np" and went back to my room. :)

It pays to be nice.