Sony changed the ps2's Mhz?? some1 help

[My Girlfriends Girlfriend]

i read this on a ps2 FAQ
PlayStation 2: 300 MHz
Xbox: 733 MHz
Gamecube: 405 MHz
Dreamcast: 200 MHz
PlayStation: 33.86 MHz


i thought ps2 only had like 223Mhz or somtin, are the newer ones better?

[Nyceane]

http://www.sims.berkeley.edu/~jleon/is224/project1/SuppMaterial/SuppMat2.htm

Processor for
PS2: 95Mhz Sony and Toshiba
GCN 485Mhz IBM PowerPC (the most powerful super computer is based on this)
Xbox 733Mhz Intel

Graphic Chip
PS2: 147Mhz sony's chip
GCN: 203Mhz ATI's chip
Xbox: 300Mhz Nvidia's chip

[My Girlfriends Girlfriend]

:o

ps2 really sucks then

[goldenaxe2]

In the systems like the GC, and PS2,(even dreamcast) Mhz has no main use like the x-box. In the case of those two systems the processors aren't quite as the same. Its a processor, but its different from the x-box's.

[Titus22]

The Emotion Engine is 294.912MHz and can output 6.2GFLOPS

http://www.us.playstation.com/consoles.aspx?id=2/info/415007657.html

[Titus22]

i read this on a ps2 FAQ
PlayStation 2: 300 MHz
Xbox: 733 MHz
Gamecube: 405 MHz
Dreamcast: 200 MHz
PlayStation: 33.86 MHz


i thought ps2 only had like 223Mhz or somtin, are the newer ones better?

The GameCube WAS 405MHz with a 202MHz GPU but they changed the CPU to 485MHz and lowered the GPU to 162MHz to balance it out.

[Link]

Sony overrate their specs

[Nyceane]

Playstation can't do too much, Ninja gaiden and Resident Evil 4 was canceled for PS for a reason

[Poochie]

PS?

PS2's graphics look OK to me

[Cygoku]

PS2 looks great on TV & crappy with Computer monitor.

Cygoku

[Titus22]

Sony overrate their specs

How did they overrate their specs?

[jstorm01]

PS2 looks great on TV & crappy with Computer monitor.

Cygoku

choppy graphics all the way baby! lmao

[goldenaxe2]

How. Most the graphics look the same to me. I don't pay that much attention to that stuff though. PS2!!!!!!!! 8)

[Nyceane]

most games have same graphic because they are built under the lowest spect, which is PS2.

but for higher gaming quality, certain games such as ninja gaiden, resident evil wont run as good on PS2, PS2 can't handle that much polygons.

Sonic Heroes was built for GCN then ported to PS2 and Xbox, you can see that PS2 can't even make sure it gets 30frame/second... while Xbox and cube can run at 60 frame/sec

[Titus22]

In terms of CPU power, the Emotion Engine is more powerful than the XCPU

[zeronumber]

In terms of CPU power, the Emotion Engine is more powerful than the XCPU

Sure it is :wink:

And a geo prism is more powerfull the a dodge viper. :roll:

[Titus22]

How isn't the Emotion Engine more powerful than the XCPU?

[zeronumber]

How isn't the Emotion Engine more powerful than the XCPU?

It isn't obviously...
Anybody who has "eyes" can tell that ps2's overall graphics are pretty poor in quality compared to the likes of gamecube and x-box...

Not that I would expect you to know that, I mean, you don't even own a ps2...

[Titus22]

I'm not neccesarily talking about graphics, I'm talking about CPU power. BTW 3D Mark 2003 is being ported over to the PS2.

[zeronumber]

I'm not neccesarily talking about graphics, I'm talking about CPU power. BTW 3D Mark 2003 is being ported over to the PS2.

A huh... :roll:

[Titus22]

Using the Linux kit

[zeronumber]

x-box could use linux too... :roll:
So can dreamcast.

[Titus22]

Yup :D

[Titus22]

Except the Xbox version doesn't have all the special features

[Titus22]

x-box could use linux too... :roll:
So can dreamcast.

The Dreamcast only gives you a 2MB RAMdrive...Although 2MB of code is huge

[zeronumber]

Here's some proof that ps2's hardware is much, weaker then gamecube and x-box.

http://insidermedia.ign.com/insider/image/sonicheroes_012304_2.jpg

The link is of sonic heroes.

Look at the ps2 version....
Look at all the effects disabled, that water is lack luster, and the lighting effects...there friggin dots....
Plus, ps2 plays, on 30fps...gamcube and x-box run at 60fps...
So much for lighting fast vram on ps2's part...And so called "strong" hardware..., just look at all the technilogical performance sacrificed...

[Titus22]

Look at Gran Turismo 4 and Killzone. It's amazing what optimized code can do.

[zeronumber]

Look at Gran Turismo 4 and Killzone. It's amazing what optimized code can do.

But it's nothing compared to the likes x-box and gamecube will do when they are pushed to that level of system compacity...

[Titus22]

Halo 2 is maxing out the Xbox and it doesn't look any better than Killzone

[zeronumber]

Yeah, but halo 2 is a year 3 x-box game...
Killzone is a year 4 ps2 game.

[Titus22]

What's the difference? Both aren't even completed yet.

[zeronumber]

What's the difference? Both aren't even completed yet.

Well think about it...ps2 had time to be pushed farther to its limits with it's exclusives...

Sonic adventure 2, and skies of arcadia both looked better then your standared 2000, 2001 ps2 games, didn't mean it was more powerful then ps2.....but, hardly any dreamcast compares to 2002, 2003 ps2 titles, when ps2's hardwares was starting to get pushed farther then 30% of it's compacity..

[TwistedEdge]

PS2 blows gamecube away, -HANDS DOWN-

[Titus22]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but Halo 2 development started right after Halo was made.

[zeronumber]

Besides, how many multiplat games have just overall played and looked better on x-box to ps2....all of them if I'm not mistaken...

[Titus22]

You really should understand the architectural differences...

[TwistedEdge]

I never in my in my whole life see a Xbox/gamecube fanboy whining so much! Just because the PS2 is more powerful doesnt mean you gotta go wHINE About it Zero ;)

[Titus22]

What's cool is that the 3.2GHz P4 scores about 6.1GFLOPS in the benchmark tests...That's pretty close to the Emotion Engine :D

[zeronumber]

You really should understand the architectural differences...

You should really learn to see things run in action, instead of relying on statistics...

Cause if you had an x-box, gamecube, and ps2 like me, you would know what looks better, handles better, and overall plays better...

If you take a games and compare them in gameplay...
x-box/gamecube games look better, load faster, and majority of the time, offer less slowdown...

[Titus22]

You should learn about how the consoles work instead of always judging with your eyes...Ofcourse it's gonna look bad on PS2 becasue its being ported to a strang architecture.

[TwistedEdge]

You really should understand the architectural differences...

You should really learn to see things run in action, instead of relying on statistics...

Cause if you had an x-box, gamecube, and ps2 like me, you would know what looks better, handles better, and overall plays better...

If you take a games and compare them in gameplay...
x-box/gamecube games look better, load faster, and majority of the time, offer less slowdown...

Look at the game Morrowind for Xbox,that slows down ALOT

[Titus22]

And why wasn't the Xbox used in the supercomputer instead of PS2 if xbox is soooo powerful?

[zeronumber]

I never in my in my whole life see a Xbox/gamecube fanboy whining so much! Just because the PS2 is more powerful doesnt mean you gotta go wHINE About it Zero ;)

How am I a x-box/gamecube fanboy for debating system strengths?
I have nothing against ps2s, fact is I love it, and I love games for it.
But I'm not going to lie and say it's just as strong, or stronger then the likes of gamecube and x-box...Cause that's fanboyism.

Besides, what does ps2 got to show for it's "powerful" hardware, arctictures, whatever? Considerably worse graphics of the 3, longest loads of the 3, and slowdowns in multiplat games...

[TwistedEdge]

One answer look AT GT4..

http://www.gamespot.com/ps2/driving/granturismo4/previews.html

Sizzling hot graphics.

[zeronumber]

You should learn about how the consoles work instead of always judging with your eyes...Ofcourse it's gonna look bad on PS2 becasue its being ported to a strang architecture.

So specs will show me more then my eyes?lmfao :lol:
Sorry, but that sounded stupid.

And how do you explain ps2 games carried over to the x-box, like sh2: rd? in which the x-box had better graphics and shorter loads?

[Titus22]

Because Xbox is easier to program for. And specs do tell a lot...Why do you think that developers read bigass manuals about each console?

[TwistedEdge]

ONE THING About gamecube, they should step off of the kiddy carnival..And have more blood and guts in there games..I know you'll say "HOW ABOUT RESIDENT EVIL?" We'll the ones that came out later on the gamecube looked like crap! And they were ported..

[zeronumber]

Specs only tell squat.
Cause if specs are in ps2's favor, why does x-box look better, load faster etc?

Now take for example sonic heroes...It was developed for gamecube...
then ported to x-box and ps2...

Now, x-box version still ran at 60fps, x-box version still had wonderful visual effects, x-box still had short loading times...The only difference it had slowdown...

Then you have the ps2 version...
Which had to be dumbed down to 30fps, and it fluctates mind you, most visual effects were disabled, it had long loading times, plus more slowdown then the x-box version...

Now if ps2's specs are so great, why did technological performance have to suffer....

I'll tell you why, ps2 has squat for memory spec boy...
Naka said it himself in his interview with egm mag.com.

[Thegaminggamer]

In terms of CPU power, the Emotion Engine is more powerful than the XCPU

Sure it is :wink:

And a geo prism is more powerfull the a dodge viper. :roll:

hahahahahaha....

[Titus22]

PS2 has less memory because it's all about streaming...so bandwidth is of the essence....48GB/sec of video memory bandwidth and 800MHz RD-RAM (3.2GB/sec) for main memory.

[zeronumber]

ONE THING About gamecube, they should step off of the kiddy carnival..And have more blood and guts in there games..I know you'll say "HOW ABOUT RESIDENT EVIL?" We'll the ones that came out later on the gamecube looked like ***! And they were ported..

Totally agree with you.
I would actually like to see a light gun game for gamecube, but the chances of that are slim to non...

So I have to settle for house of the dead 3 an time crisis 3 in the mean time.

[Thegaminggamer]

ONE THING About gamecube, they should step off of the kiddy carnival..And have more blood and guts in there games..I know you'll say "HOW ABOUT RESIDENT EVIL?" We'll the ones that came out later on the gamecube looked like ***! And they were ported..

The GC resident evils weren't just "ported", they were redone.

[TwistedEdge]

ONE THING About gamecube, they should step off of the kiddy carnival..And have more blood and guts in there games..I know you'll say "HOW ABOUT RESIDENT EVIL?" We'll the ones that came out later on the gamecube looked like ***! And they were ported..

The GC resident evils weren't just "ported", they were redone.

For real ? Then Nemisis on the GC looked like crap! Didnt look redone to me.. They looked like n64 graPhics!

[zeronumber]

Yeah, re was remade from the psone version,
And zero is actually a remake, sorta...
It was originally developed for n64 with a re 2ish kind of engine...and they remade the game with remakes engine...

[zeronumber]

Yeah, the remakes looked good, but no were as cool as silent hill 3.

[Thegaminggamer]

I played only half way thru the first one and got bored. Never touched it again.

[zeronumber]

PS2 has less memory because it's all about streaming...so bandwidth is of the essence....48GB/sec of video memory bandwidth and 800MHz RD-RAM (3.2GB/sec) for main memory.

Yeah and the geo prism is lower in torque, which allows it to go strait to the rpm's giving overall acceleration then the dodge viper...
But we both know who wins in the long run now don't we?

[Titus22]

PS2 has less memory because it's all about streaming...so bandwidth is of the essence....48GB/sec of video memory bandwidth and 800MHz RD-RAM (3.2GB/sec) for main memory.

Yeah and the geo prism is lower in torque, which allows it to go strait to the rpm's giving overall acceleration then the dodge viper...
But we both know who wins in the long run now don't we?

PS2 has more bandwidth to burn than Xbox or GameCube...

[zeronumber]

Yeah but remember, it's not one characteristics, it's the overall hardware...
Granted, ps2 has something good about it, but overall it can't handle and produce a game in the same level as gamecube and x-box....Just like how a geo prism, even though having better acceleration will still loose in a one mile stretch, cause as soon as the overall horsepower of the viper starts to kick it, it will leave the prism's once small lead, into the dust.

[Titus22]

Yeah but remember, it's not one characteristics, it's the overall hardware...
Granted, ps2 has something good about it, but overall it can't handle and produce a game in the same level as gamecube and x-box....Just like how a geo prism, even though having better acceleration will still loose in a one mile stretch, cause as soon as the overall horsepower of the viper starts to kick it, it will leave the prism's once small lead, into the dust.

I don't see PS2 in the dust with Gran Turismo 4 or Killzone :roll:

[Titus22]

And there's a lot more development going on with PS2 and the Linux kit...it's even used for animation schools and scientific computing

[zeronumber]

Yeah but remember, it's not one characteristics, it's the overall hardware...
Granted, ps2 has something good about it, but overall it can't handle and produce a game in the same level as gamecube and x-box....Just like how a geo prism, even though having better acceleration will still loose in a one mile stretch, cause as soon as the overall horsepower of the viper starts to kick it, it will leave the prism's once small lead, into the dust.

I don't see PS2 in the dust with Gran Turismo 4 or Killzone :roll:

Not yet, wait till e3....
It's just a matter of time... :wink:

[zeronumber]

Besides you want to see technical performance, look at game like ninja gaiden, and otogi myth of demons.

Out standing graphics, beautiful effects, and insane gameplay...
What does ps2 have to offer....shinobi and nightshade :roll:

[Kaamos]

lol

[LUDA©®IS VI]

I perfer a PS2 over the Xbox because the PS2 can work with everything from the PS1, so that means I save $. I could care less how good a game looks if the game is complete garbage. The only games that I would play on the Xbox is ESPN NBA, NFL, NHL, and Halo. The PS2 has some great graphics for ESPN NBA Basketball, the only diffrences are that the tats and the crowd has more detail. (who cares cuz I don't)

Sure the Xbox has great hardware, but they sure don't have better games than the PS2. (IMHO)

[Titus22]

I'm getting PS2 for Gran Turismo 4...and ofcourse, the Linux kit :D

[Kaamos]

PS2 is great, im gonna buy another one when they lower the price to $100

[Titus22]

I might buy two or three and create a small cluster

[poweredbyrice]

I'm convince that the ps2 is better than xbox in term of power, GT4>PGR2
seriously, PGR2 don't look all that good when you actually race, the buildtinf texure look like crap, the only way it look nice is that you're far away and get a really nice vista, but while racing between skyscrapers (Yokohama anyone?) it look like crap an dit look totally fake (how the :):):):) can orange brick have reflections?), while GT3 look clean and nice even if you race between skyscrapers, notice I said GT3, and GT4 is bound to be better.

not to mention the cars in PGR2 barely got any reflections, and with those pumped up polygons, it still look no better than GT4.

[Titus22]

Finally a believer!

[Kaamos]

Now im a beliver! i....i.....I SEE THE LIGHT NOW!

[LUDA©®IS VI]

:lol: What is this man, church?

[Titus22]

Yup! :D Now almighty computer Gods, smite this disbeliever!

[zeronumber]

I perfer a PS2 over the Xbox because the PS2 can work with everything from the PS1, so that means I save $. I could care less how good a game looks if the game is complete garbage. The only games that I would play on the Xbox is ESPN NBA, NFL, NHL, and Halo. The PS2 has some great graphics for ESPN NBA Basketball, the only diffrences are that the tats and the crowd has more detail. (who cares cuz I don't)

Sure the Xbox has great hardware, but they sure don't have better games than the PS2. (IMHO)

Hey I agree with you, I'm not saying that x-box is the better choice, or has better games, I'm just saying x-box and gamecube have much, much, much better hardware.

[zeronumber]

I'm convince that the ps2 is better than xbox in term of power, GT4>PGR2
seriously, PGR2 don't look all that good when you actually race, the buildtinf texure look like ***, the only way it look nice is that you're far away and get a really nice vista, but while racing between skyscrapers (Yokohama anyone?) it look like *** an dit look totally fake (how the *** can orange brick have reflections?), while GT3 look clean and nice even if you race between skyscrapers, notice I said GT3, and GT4 is bound to be better.

not to mention the cars in PGR2 barely got any reflections, and with those pumped up polygons, it still look no better than GT4.

Well it's sorta unfair to compare Gt3 to pgr2...
For one they are 2 totally different games...
And pgr2 was developed in a way so that it can hold up just as well online as it did offline, so of course, main things like higher framerates had to be sacraficed...If it was to be an offline game, I'm sure it could have done better.

Besides, if you want to make comparisons in graphical power...

Sega gt 2002 looked a lot better then Gt3 - Aspec...
Though, gt3 was a better game....

[NuMbaX]

I'm convince that the ps2 is better than xbox in term of power, GT4>PGR2
seriously, PGR2 don't look all that good when you actually race, the buildtinf texure look like ***, the only way it look nice is that you're far away and get a really nice vista, but while racing between skyscrapers (Yokohama anyone?) it look like *** an dit look totally fake (how the *** can orange brick have reflections?), while GT3 look clean and nice even if you race between skyscrapers, notice I said GT3, and GT4 is bound to be better.

not to mention the cars in PGR2 barely got any reflections, and with those pumped up polygons, it still look no better than GT4.

Well it's sorta unfair to compare Gt3 to pgr2...
For one they are 2 totally different games...
And pgr2 was developed in a way so that it can hold up just as well online as it did offline, so of course, main things like higher framerates had to be sacraficed...If it was to be an offline game, I'm sure it could have done better.

Besides, if you want to make comparisons in graphical power...

Sega gt 2002 looked a lot better then Gt3 - Aspec...
Though, gt3 was a better game....

sega gt 2002 looks like :):):):) compared to gt3, and what you sed about gt3 vs pgr2 didn't make sense to me at all

[TwistedEdge]

I'm convince that the ps2 is better than xbox in term of power, GT4>PGR2
seriously, PGR2 don't look all that good when you actually race, the buildtinf texure look like ***, the only way it look nice is that you're far away and get a really nice vista, but while racing between skyscrapers (Yokohama anyone?) it look like *** an dit look totally fake (how the *** can orange brick have reflections?), while GT3 look clean and nice even if you race between skyscrapers, notice I said GT3, and GT4 is bound to be better.

not to mention the cars in PGR2 barely got any reflections, and with those pumped up polygons, it still look no better than GT4.

Well it's sorta unfair to compare Gt3 to pgr2...
For one they are 2 totally different games...
And pgr2 was developed in a way so that it can hold up just as well online as it did offline, so of course, main things like higher framerates had to be sacraficed...If it was to be an offline game, I'm sure it could have done better.

Besides, if you want to make comparisons in graphical power...

Sega gt 2002 looked a lot better then Gt3 - Aspec...
Though, gt3 was a better game....

Look at NFSU that has online play ,and has good graphics! But it doesnt have online for xbox

[poweredbyrice]

I'm convince that the ps2 is better than xbox in term of power, GT4>PGR2
seriously, PGR2 don't look all that good when you actually race, the buildtinf texure look like ***, the only way it look nice is that you're far away and get a really nice vista, but while racing between skyscrapers (Yokohama anyone?) it look like *** an dit look totally fake (how the *** can orange brick have reflections?), while GT3 look clean and nice even if you race between skyscrapers, notice I said GT3, and GT4 is bound to be better.

not to mention the cars in PGR2 barely got any reflections, and with those pumped up polygons, it still look no better than GT4.

Well it's sorta unfair to compare Gt3 to pgr2...
For one they are 2 totally different games...
And pgr2 was developed in a way so that it can hold up just as well online as it did offline, so of course, main things like higher framerates had to be sacraficed...If it was to be an offline game, I'm sure it could have done better.

Besides, if you want to make comparisons in graphical power...

Sega gt 2002 looked a lot better then Gt3 - Aspec...
Though, gt3 was a better game....
I was talking abotu graphics wise, the cars are :):):):):):) in PGR2, look lik eplastic toys, and the the evironment suck when you are actually racing, the only time it look nice is at the begining of a race where you get to have a tour of the city with a view, when you race, the building look ugly and have no dephs whatsoever, anyone seen teh glitches? when racing, building shift polygons, yes, if oyu played GTA3 and VC, you notice that some building got flat :):):) texure and bassically look like a big block, and but take form when you get closer, hello hong kong, yokohama, chicago in PGR2, I've seen that happend left and right in that game, none in GT3.
SEGA GT2002 loook like :):):):), and totally fake, the car model are way off from acurate, what about the reflections? cars aren't like mirrors, but the cars in Sega GT 2002 reflect everthing like a mirror, and the RSX, viper, NSX, don't loook anythign like the real life counterpart.,totally fake. and the evironemnt sucks, since it based on fantasy location, they give it the same old boring look in every track.

quote from ignabotu
PGR2 gliches "strange texture swapping".

[Titus22]

The fact that PGR2 is online wouldnt affect the graphics...You're on a broad band internet connection, connected to a dedicated game server. I can play UT2004 with full effects online and I have a dial-up connection.

[zeronumber]

I'm convince that the ps2 is better than xbox in term of power, GT4>PGR2
seriously, PGR2 don't look all that good when you actually race, the buildtinf texure look like ***, the only way it look nice is that you're far away and get a really nice vista, but while racing between skyscrapers (Yokohama anyone?) it look like *** an dit look totally fake (how the *** can orange brick have reflections?), while GT3 look clean and nice even if you race between skyscrapers, notice I said GT3, and GT4 is bound to be better.

not to mention the cars in PGR2 barely got any reflections, and with those pumped up polygons, it still look no better than GT4.

Well it's sorta unfair to compare Gt3 to pgr2...
For one they are 2 totally different games...
And pgr2 was developed in a way so that it can hold up just as well online as it did offline, so of course, main things like higher framerates had to be sacraficed...If it was to be an offline game, I'm sure it could have done better.

Besides, if you want to make comparisons in graphical power...

Sega gt 2002 looked a lot better then Gt3 - Aspec...
Though, gt3 was a better game....
I was talking abotu graphics wise, the cars are *** in PGR2, look lik eplastic toys, and the the evironment suck when you are actually racing, the only time it look nice is at the begining of a race where you get to have a tour of the city with a view, when you race, the building look ugly and have no dephs whatsoever, anyone seen teh glitches? when racing, building shift polygons, yes, if oyu played GTA3 and VC, you notice that some building got flat *** texure and bassically look like a big block, and but take form when you get closer, hello hong kong, yokohama, chicago in PGR2, I've seen that happend left and right in that game, none in GT3.
SEGA GT2002 loook like ***, and totally fake, the car model are way off from acurate, what about the reflections? cars aren't like mirrors, but the cars in Sega GT 2002 reflect everthing like a mirror, and the RSX, viper, NSX, don't loook anythign like the real life counterpart.,totally fake. and the evironemnt sucks, since it based on fantasy location, they give it the same old boring look in every track.

quote from ignabotu
PGR2 gliches "strange texture swapping".

Well I agree with you on car models...
But what do you expect, I wished we lived in a day in age where we can play a car racing games in 60 fps, full graphical effects, and play online with no lag or slowdown once so ever, but lets face it, that sorta technology in online gaming, isnt' exactly upon us right now...even with broadband connections.

[poweredbyrice]

come on, GT4 will be online and it run at 60fps, Polyphony is trying to make the game as real as possible, and 60 fps is one of those feature that make it look real. they are tryign to make a realistic experience, and 60 fps is what the human can see (though I think it 30 fps) when they drive. Polyphony never make a GT under 60 fps, never.
automodelista play online at 60 fps with no graphic tone down, and sega gt online didn't get a tone down either.
online have nothing to do with grapahic tone down.

[zeronumber]

come on, GT4 will be online and it run at 60fps, Polyphony is trying to make the game as real as possible, and 60 fps is one of those feature that make it look real. they are tryign to make a realistic experience, and 60 fps is what the human can see (though I think it 30 fps) when they drive. Polyphony never make a GT under 60 fps, never.
automodelista play online at 60 fps with no graphic tone down, and sega gt online didn't get a tone down either.
online have nothing to do with grapahic tone down.

I'm not saying it does, I'm just saying they probably wanted to have the same experience both on and off line with pgr2.

Besides, pgr2 isn't a dedicated racing sim, it's more towards the lines of arcadish racing game...
And look at sega gt online...even with 60fps and good graphics, it had good amounts of lag, not to mention, it's a fairly glitchy title.

[poweredbyrice]

SEGA GT is made by sega, there is a problem in that. Polyphony is only devoted to making racing sims and they have lots of dedication on making a perfect one. Sega is trying to make any game possible. so I my guess is that the way sega model the cars by just looking at manufacture picture and data and make the game. Where polyphony did years of testing and test drive all 500+ cars to make GT4.

[zeronumber]

Well, eighter way, I am still very excited about gt4 :D

[Kaamos]

When is GT4 comming out?

[zeronumber]

Some time around Q3 Or Q4 this year. :D

[dusteater]

Of course the graphics on the X-Box and Gamecube are better. PS2 is older. Gamecube/XBox came out in 2001 and PS2 came out in 2000. Technology moves fast!




You really should understand the architectural differences...

You should really learn to see things run in action, instead of relying on statistics...

Cause if you had an x-box, gamecube, and ps2 like me, you would know what looks better, handles better, and overall plays better...

If you take a games and compare them in gameplay...
x-box/gamecube games look better, load faster, and majority of the time, offer less slowdown...