LOL PSP is huge!! Game Gear Sized..

[bearfart]

I just saw the video of the guy holding the PSP for everyone to see, and its way bigger than the "concept" drawings let on. Its literaly the size of a game gear. Portable is just about the only thing this is.. In all fairless it does take advantage of its size and has a pretty large screen.

This may be the fatal flaw in sony's plan.. The whole point of the cell phone/gameboy handheld gaming craze is that it fits in your pocket and you can go about your everyday life and pull it out of your pocket whenever you want to play it. Sony's portable looks like it will require a faily large console case for storage..

On a side note, that thing looks expensive.. Just its appearance has $$$ written all over it.. Im already counting sony out as a handheld competitor. They've already lost.

[poweredbyrice]

http://www.gamespot.com/news/2004/05/11/news_6097116.html

check out how big this thing really is, bearfart is not kidding.

note: see the small video clip provided.

[Neo SilverHarvest]

HOLY COW!!! It IS huge!!! I really like the design, catchy music too in the video.

[Thegaminggamer]

This console is going to rock! I'm preordering mine today.

[special agent]

The graphics will rock and it look good. But I heard the battery life is very short.

[bearfart]

Yea you have to give it its props on the visuals. The gameplay footage montage looks just as good as any ps2 game. Its just too bad that the thing is frickin huge. Plus it looks expensive so nobody is going to want to just throw it in a backpack with other stuff to get it all scuffed up. It'll require a specialized padded carry case, so figure the whole package will be as big as a 3 ring binder. Portable yes, practical no..

Go with the DS, its MUCH smaller. Its graphics are a bit less powerfull BUT comparable. Its got 2 screens (for what its worth). Has bluetooth technology as well. Backwards compatable with the hundreds of fantastic gba games. AND most importanly of all its nintendo and has a host of great nintendo games comming out such as metroid, mario, and animal crossing. Plus Nintendo is the defending handheld market champ and Sony is just another challenger, just by playing the odds you have to go with the DS..

[Old_School]

The graphics will be impressive, but the systems large size and short battery life really turn me off.

[Neo SilverHarvest]

So it'll be pretty much, the bigger the handheld is, the shorter the battery life will be. Just like Game Gear and Nomad, both were big handhelds but their battery lives were short...Although the Nomad was a portable Mega Drive which was IMHO the best handheld of all time, but how it needed 6 batteries was pretty dumb. It was probably no wonder why it's battery life was so short. Hopefully, PSP will not need to take a lot of batteries so it can eat the energy in under 12 hours.

[poweredbyrice]

the graphics might b eimpressive, since all I've sen are jsut pre render trailers, nothign running on teh psp specifically.

[Neo SilverHarvest]

I still have yet to see what the screens will look like.

[bearfart]

yea it just occured to me that the psp gameplay footage on gamespot.com is just FMV, and the in game will probably look like the death Jr. video.. Im slightly less impressed by the psp now. The DS just MIGHT have even better graphics than the psp with that said.. I'll tell you one thing, The metroid prime hunters video looks alot better than the death jr. video...
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so lets take a look here..

The DS is smaller

Capable of just as good if not better graphics

Both have wireless technology

DS features 2 screens and one is a touch screen

DS is backward compatable with GBA

DS games are on a much smaller media (sd card sized chip to be exact)

The DS will probably be about $100 cheaper

The DS will probably have a much better battery life because the PSP has a moving optical drive inside it.



The Nintendo DS is definitly looking to be the better handheld in pretty much EVERY aspect.. Take my word for it, the PSP has already lost..

[poweredbyrice]

on ehtng I don't get is why nitnendo didn't put the gekko and the fliper in teh DS, and anyone seen the flipper adn gekko chip? it abtou 10x smaller than the average thumb.

http://www.gamespot.com/gamespot/features/video/gamecube_dossier/screens/gekko.jpg

[ludacris06]

I'm gettin the PSP no doubt. USB connectivity, I can play music on it, watch movies, and play games on it. On top of that, Sony always has add ons. Even if the handheld flops, (which I doubt) I can still use it for music and movies or whatever else it can do.

All my favorite games are on there too like NBA Street, NFL Street, and Metal Gear Solid. The graphics are spot on, because when I looked at the graphics for NBA Street, it looks just like the PS2 version!

:shock:

[Nuckles87]

The DS is about he size of a PSP...


An I recall DS can also play movies and muic ;).

[Nuckles87]

Nevermind, DS is smaller...

[ludacris06]

The DS is about he size of a PSP...


An I recall DS can also play movies and muic ;).

The DS runs on game carts I thought...

Anyway, I peeped out the DS and I might have to get that because some of the games I grew up with are on there like Mario and Metroid. I already know Zelda will be coming around. The touch screen is crazy, especially how you have to use it on Metroid.

F' it then, Ill buy both.

[sonicfreak4003]

yea it just occured to me that the psp gameplay footage on gamespot.com is just FMV, and the in game will probably look like the death Jr. video.. Im slightly less impressed by the psp now. The DS just MIGHT have even better graphics than the psp with that said.. I'll tell you one thing, The metroid prime hunters video looks alot better than the death jr. video...
-------------------------------------------
so lets take a look here..

The DS is smaller

Capable of just as good if not better graphics

Both have wireless technology

DS features 2 screens and one is a touch screen

DS is backward compatable with GBA

DS games are on a much smaller media (sd card sized chip to be exact)

The DS will probably be about $100 cheaper

The DS will probably have a much better battery life because the PSP has a moving optical drive inside it.



The Nintendo DS is definitly looking to be the better handheld in pretty much EVERY aspect.. Take my word for it, the PSP has already lost..

OK, i'm not going to scream at your stupidity, because you obviously don't understand the situation. First of all: ITS SONY! There is already a massive fanbase waiting to recieve this thing. They already have several of the PS2's top games being ported at full quality to this thing, with new games in extremely successful franchises (Metal Gear) also set for launch. The graphics will surpass those of the PS2. Gran Turismo 4 for PSP will be a direct port of the PS2 version, as a LAUNCH game, which is already pushing the upper limits of the PS2 hardware. Not to mention the DS's dual screens is completely stupid: holding a stylus and the console at the same time while trying to play a game at the same time? I doubt that will work. Not to mention the PSP comes with an analog stick (or whatever you want to call it, because it is actually embedded in the system). The handheld war will end up exactly like the current console war: a runaway Sony victory, unless Nintendo's plans of a real new GB come to fruition in time for them to save themselves. Not to mention all that Nintendo has to lose in this, while Sony has nothing to lose. If Sony screws up...o well they still have PS2. If Nintendo screws up...they have nothing.

[nickj123]

Sega had over 30 million Genisiss in gamers hands. look at the Gamegear. Popularity is nothing. Nokia makes frickin phones for heavens sakes, they even flopped. Sony has just a chance of failing horribly as the rest of lost handheld souls.

[sonicfreak4003]

Over 170 MILLION PS1s and PS2s have been sold. I think that outclasses Sega's popularity by juuust a little bit. In Nokia's case...cell phones have nothing to do with real handheld gaming systems. They simply tried to make a phone with a suped up games processor. What did they get? Phone quality games.

[nickj123]

You have to understand, Sony has 60 million PS2 owners this gen. Anyways Sega was BIG at that time. Before Sony very few systems sold over the 30 million mark. Nintendo and Sega were really the only ones. So Nintendo and Sega were equally matched and Nintendo slaughtered them.

Think about it this way, PS2 has sold sooo much because nowadays when people think of a console they think PS2. When you think of handheld you think of Nintendo Gameboy. The GB series has sold over 160 million GBs, so what is your point. Nintendo is known for their handhelds and Sony is known for their consoles. Nintendo was a heck of a lot more popular than sony in the console market and they still lost. Popularity is nothing if you can't get the goods to the audiance.

[Nuckles87]

I wouldn't say slaughter. GG made a better standing against GB then any other console before or since,lasting six years and getting about 20% of the market.

[sonicfreak4003]

What I'm trying to say is that you can't compare these two time periods. Today's age is one of technology, and Sony's technology far surpasses that of Nintendo's. Besides, why is Nintendo even trying this Dual Screen thing when they already have success with one screen. You know the old saying, "If it ain't broke, don't fix it." If you have something working for you why would you change it. This is make or break for them. Trying something new in this critical time is not a smart business move. Mark my words, this will be the end of Nintendo.

[poweredbyrice]

Nevermind, DS is smaller...
DS is about as small as you r palm, chekc planet gamecube

[poweredbyrice]

The DS is about he size of a PSP...


An I recall DS can also play movies and muic ;).

The DS runs on game carts I thought...

Anyway, I peeped out the DS and I might have to get that because some of the games I grew up with are on there like Mario and Metroid. I already know Zelda will be coming around. The touch screen is crazy, especially how you have to use it on Metroid.

F' it then, Ill buy both.
correttion, its cards, not carts.

http://www.planetgamecube.com/

chekc out the DS headline, it all smalll.

[sonicfreak4003]

Read this:

"its new cartridge format boasts up to 128 Megabytes of space and low production costs."
from here: http://www.planetgamecube.com/hardware.cfm?action=profile&id=220

Wow, a whole 128 mb. lol.

[poweredbyrice]

on ething, the DS won';t use cartirge, so get over it.

New Media: For its compact cards, the unit uses newly developed semiconductor memory, which allows for lower cost, shorter manufacturing time and memory capacity of more than one gigabit of information.

http://www.nintendo.com/e3_2004/ds/ds_overview.jsp

and that planet gamecube link is supose to show you how small the DS is, look at the headline picture of teh guy holding one.

[sonicfreak4003]

Key word one gigabit. 8 bits in a byte. That means 128 mega bytes. They used bits to make it sound more impressive.

[poweredbyrice]

it said more than one gigbit, did they specifically say what? it not like all games will use teh same card, they bound to use one with 256 or 512.

[sonicfreak4003]

Read this:

"its new cartridge format boasts up to 128 Megabytes of space and low production costs."
from here: http://www.planetgamecube.com/hardware.cfm?action=profile&id=220

Wow, a whole 128 mb. lol.

read the bold. Well im goin to sleep, I got school tomorrow. Later.

[poweredbyrice]

up to, it can be more.

[bearfart]

yea it just occured to me that the psp gameplay footage on gamespot.com is just FMV, and the in game will probably look like the death Jr. video.. Im slightly less impressed by the psp now. The DS just MIGHT have even better graphics than the psp with that said.. I'll tell you one thing, The metroid prime hunters video looks alot better than the death jr. video...
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so lets take a look here..

The DS is smaller

Capable of just as good if not better graphics

Both have wireless technology

DS features 2 screens and one is a touch screen

DS is backward compatable with GBA

DS games are on a much smaller media (sd card sized chip to be exact)

The DS will probably be about $100 cheaper

The DS will probably have a much better battery life because the PSP has a moving optical drive inside it.



The Nintendo DS is definitly looking to be the better handheld in pretty much EVERY aspect.. Take my word for it, the PSP has already lost..

OK, i'm not going to scream at your stupidity, because you obviously don't understand the situation. First of all: ITS SONY! There is already a massive fanbase waiting to recieve this thing. They already have several of the PS2's top games being ported at full quality to this thing, with new games in extremely successful franchises (Metal Gear) also set for launch. The graphics will surpass those of the PS2. Gran Turismo 4 for PSP will be a direct port of the PS2 version, as a LAUNCH game, which is already pushing the upper limits of the PS2 hardware. Not to mention the DS's dual screens is completely stupid: holding a stylus and the console at the same time while trying to play a game at the same time? I doubt that will work. Not to mention the PSP comes with an analog stick (or whatever you want to call it, because it is actually embedded in the system). The handheld war will end up exactly like the current console war: a runaway Sony victory, unless Nintendo's plans of a real new GB come to fruition in time for them to save themselves. Not to mention all that Nintendo has to lose in this, while Sony has nothing to lose. If Sony screws up...o well they still have PS2. If Nintendo screws up...they have nothing.

LOL what are YOU talking about... Millions of sony fans waiting to recieve this thing?? I think your forgetting whos making the DS, yea, NINTENDO... Yea, the undisputed champion of the handheld market. Whoever is waiting to recieve the PSP, multiply that x7 for the people waiting to recieve the DS... Right now Nintendo has 100% of the handheld market, so in order for sony to succeed, they need to convince a portion of the existing nintendo handheld fans that they have a better product, and once again sony is doing that by LYING.. They are mascarading a bunch of FMV footage as the PSP's ingame power... Theres sony for ya. They dont care if millions of people on launch day recieve there shiney new PSP and are dissapointed with its graphics, just as long as they get everyones money... And the sony consumers are so stupid that they will fall for it again just like they did with the PS2. Like the old saying goes, fool me once shame on you, fool me twice shame on me.. Sony is nothing but a bunch of hype in a t-shirt.

Oh and not to rain on your parade or anything but you Metal Gear for PSP, yea, Its a card game...

The UMD discs require a moving optical drive to spin them, thats going to drain the batteries so fast its not even funny.. And to counter it sony will have to put in a massive lithium Ion battery, which will not only add to the cost, but to the weight of the already mammoth machine.

And the thing about having to hold a stylus while playing the game. The DS games will hardly use the controll pad. Most of the game controlling will be touch screen, which will create the most open ended controlls ever, and will become yet another one of nintendos innovations that will become an industry standard. The whole "how does it controll" aspect of gaming will be a non issue, when all you have to do is touch the screen.

PLUS the DS has voice recognition, so you can just TELL it what to do. Yea enjoy your ONE analog stick!

The DS is showing up the PSP so bad its not even funny. Its flat out embaressing..

[special agent]

I started to think that PSP would kill Nintendo's dominance on the handheld market. But after seeing the DS and 3rd party developpers that like the idea - I think Nintendo is right for once with their vision and this will bring new ideas for gaming.

I know the PSP have better graphics, but frankly i'm more excited about trying the DS and see if having two views in a game or a map that is always there can improve and change gaming. You wanted innovation, here some. This is something that a console can't do.

[Mulder]

Obviously Nokia may not stand much of a chance once the psp and ds arive... but right they have alot of titles coming out for the gage and not to mention the release of the qd will undoutedly boost nokia up there a lil before the psp and ds annialate... Mainly the thing is that nokia is in a whole nother category than the psp,ds,gba....

Hopefully nokia will make the next n-gage aka n-gage2 just alot better...

[ludacris06]

I think both handhelds will do well. The fan bases don't conflict with each other. Thats why the Gamecube isnt comparable between the PS2 and the Xbox. The fanbase for Nintendo is mainly between early children to early teens. Sony's fanbase is more in between the early teens to your late 30's.

[Nuckles87]

The DS is being aimed at the same 18+ year fanbase as PSP. It's just more focused on games.

[Exeox]

Both systems get a younger audience. :P

I have to agree here with bearfart, DS will rock the handheld market.

Reasons:
1. It's Backcompatible - DS already has a huge Game library, what does PSP have? :P
2. Design - Average consumer wants good design. DS>PSP in design.
3. Battery Life - Again, a larger battery life is needed.
4. Pokemon - Whats the best selling GBA game at the moment?
5. Nintendo - Trusted. Plus a large handheld fanbase
6. Price - Most likely be cheaper.

[sonicfreak4003]

The DS is being aimed at the same 18+ year fanbase as PSP. It's just more focused on games.

Just because it is "aimed" at the same fanbase doesn't mean it will be recieved by those people. Look at the GC. It was aimed at the older fanbase, yet retained it's kiddy image.

[ludacris06]

The DS is being aimed at the same 18+ year fanbase as PSP. It's just more focused on games.


Mario and Sonic aren't made for the 18+ Nintendo has even said they wanted to make games appeal torwards the young ones.

Sonic is still coming out for the PSP, but the majority of the games are for the older ones just like it was with the PS2. Nothing changed.

[sonicfreak4003]

6. Price - Most likely be cheaper.

Really? You think the PSP will be more than $199?

http://www.gamespot.com/news/2004/05/13/news_6098137.html

[sonicfreak4003]

yea it just occured to me that the psp gameplay footage on gamespot.com is just FMV, and the in game will probably look like the death Jr. video.. Im slightly less impressed by the psp now. The DS just MIGHT have even better graphics than the psp with that said.. I'll tell you one thing, The metroid prime hunters video looks alot better than the death jr. video...
-------------------------------------------
so lets take a look here..

The DS is smaller

Capable of just as good if not better graphics

Both have wireless technology

DS features 2 screens and one is a touch screen

DS is backward compatable with GBA

DS games are on a much smaller media (sd card sized chip to be exact)

The DS will probably be about $100 cheaper

The DS will probably have a much better battery life because the PSP has a moving optical drive inside it.



The Nintendo DS is definitly looking to be the better handheld in pretty much EVERY aspect.. Take my word for it, the PSP has already lost..

OK, i'm not going to scream at your stupidity, because you obviously don't understand the situation. First of all: ITS SONY! There is already a massive fanbase waiting to recieve this thing. They already have several of the PS2's top games being ported at full quality to this thing, with new games in extremely successful franchises (Metal Gear) also set for launch. The graphics will surpass those of the PS2. Gran Turismo 4 for PSP will be a direct port of the PS2 version, as a LAUNCH game, which is already pushing the upper limits of the PS2 hardware. Not to mention the DS's dual screens is completely stupid: holding a stylus and the console at the same time while trying to play a game at the same time? I doubt that will work. Not to mention the PSP comes with an analog stick (or whatever you want to call it, because it is actually embedded in the system). The handheld war will end up exactly like the current console war: a runaway Sony victory, unless Nintendo's plans of a real new GB come to fruition in time for them to save themselves. Not to mention all that Nintendo has to lose in this, while Sony has nothing to lose. If Sony screws up...o well they still have PS2. If Nintendo screws up...they have nothing.

LOL what are YOU talking about... Millions of sony fans waiting to recieve this thing?? I think your forgetting whos making the DS, yea, NINTENDO... Yea, the undisputed champion of the handheld market. Whoever is waiting to recieve the PSP, multiply that x7 for the people waiting to recieve the DS... Right now Nintendo has 100% of the handheld market, so in order for sony to succeed, they need to convince a portion of the existing nintendo handheld fans that they have a better product, and once again sony is doing that by LYING.. They are mascarading a bunch of FMV footage as the PSP's ingame power... Theres sony for ya. They dont care if millions of people on launch day recieve there shiney new PSP and are dissapointed with its graphics, just as long as they get everyones money... And the sony consumers are so stupid that they will fall for it again just like they did with the PS2. Like the old saying goes, fool me once shame on you, fool me twice shame on me.. Sony is nothing but a bunch of hype in a t-shirt.

Oh and not to rain on your parade or anything but you Metal Gear for PSP, yea, Its a card game...

The UMD discs require a moving optical drive to spin them, thats going to drain the batteries so fast its not even funny.. And to counter it sony will have to put in a massive lithium Ion battery, which will not only add to the cost, but to the weight of the already mammoth machine.

And the thing about having to hold a stylus while playing the game. The DS games will hardly use the controll pad. Most of the game controlling will be touch screen, which will create the most open ended controlls ever, and will become yet another one of nintendos innovations that will become an industry standard. The whole "how does it controll" aspect of gaming will be a non issue, when all you have to do is touch the screen.

PLUS the DS has voice recognition, so you can just TELL it what to do. Yea enjoy your ONE analog stick!

The DS is showing up the PSP so bad its not even funny. Its flat out embaressing..

You don't know that sony is lying, you're just a hater and want to think that sony is lying, because if they're not, the DS will be completely blown away.

And for the voice recognition...uhh name 1 game that plans on using it.

[Exeox]

Really? You think the PSP will be more than $199?

http://www.gamespot.com/news/2004/05/13/news_6098137.html
Nintendo usally make cheaper products, to my experiance. & I don't think Sony is lieing, just hyping the PSP up, (again.)

[sonicfreak4003]

I seriously doubt the PSP will be more than $200.

[sonicfreak4003]

Also, the UMDs store over 10 times the amount of data a DS game card can hold.

[Exeox]

Also, the UMDs store over 10 times the amount of data a DS game card can hold
Says Sony. :lol:
Tell me, why do you think the DS will flop?>

[stej247]

Obviously Nokia may not stand much of a chance once the psp and ds arive... but right they have alot of titles coming out for the gage and not to mention the release of the qd will undoutedly boost nokia up there a lil before the psp and ds annialate... Mainly the thing is that nokia is in a whole nother category than the psp,ds,gba....

Hopefully nokia will make the next n-gage aka n-gage2 just alot better...

Yea, I'm starting to wory a little bit about the n-gage. To be honest, the ONLY thing that it does better than the competion is versitility and it's ability to multi task. DS and PSP are both gonna eventually have online games (probably won't be as good as n-gage arena, though), and their graphic power really does blow my machine out of the water. Even new games like Call of Duty, Ghost Recon, and Pathway to Glory get :):):):):) by future launch titles like Metroid Hunter and GT4. Nokia better muster up some KICK :):):) marketing strategy to not get killed, 'cause the grim reaper is knocking on the door, and the n-gage is only 6 months old!!!

[Nuckles87]

The DS is being aimed at the same 18+ year fanbase as PSP. It's just more focused on games.


Mario and Sonic aren't made for the 18+ Nintendo has even said they wanted to make games appeal torwards the young ones.

Sonic is still coming out for the PSP, but the majority of the games are for the older ones just like it was with the PS2. Nothing changed.

Sonic has yet to be confirmed for PSP.

And the hadndheld itself is being aimed at older gamers. Just cause it doesn't have a gore filled game doesn't mean it's not aimed at older gamers. Last I checked, kids weren't interested in online and lan game play, WiFi, movie playing, and MP3s in a handheld.

[sonicfreak4003]

I don't think it will be a complete flop(like the n-gage), I just think it will be enough to end nintendo's hardware business, seeing as the GBA is the only thing keeping it alive right now.

My reasons are:

1. Worse graphics than the PSP
2. Kiddie image
3. PSP has a better storage medium
4. DS design with the touch screen will not appeal to their main audience because it is more complicated than their 2 button gb layout
5. PSP has an analog stick for better support with FPS and other games
6. Massive sony userbase. and you say "what are you talking about, nintendo has the majority of the handheld market." so? all those 70 million plus ps2 owners have been waiting for a real handheld where they can play games with quality that can compare to their home console, without being laughed at by their preppy friends for playing a "Game Boy."(I am not one of these people by the way)

All these factors combined will result in less than the necessary sales that nintendo needs to make up for their Gamecube sales.

[Nuckles87]

Also, the UMDs store over 10 times the amount of data a DS game card can hold.

The cards can hold a gigabyte of of data. Thats a lot. So the UMD can hold 10 gigs?

[sonicfreak4003]

No, they hold a gigaBIT. aka 128 MEGABYTES

[Exeox]

1. Worse graphics than the PSP
Did gyou see Metroid Prime? Did Sony oast anything? Did you see the PSP playing, no one did. It was just movies, no proof of it being cutscenes or anything.


2. Kiddie image
Nokia doesn't have a kiddie image but they are getting their assed kicked.


PSP has a better storage medium

N-Gage has shown us features don't matter.


DS design with the touch screen will not appeal to their main audience because it is more complicated than their 2 button gb layout
Touchscreen should be simple, besides how do we know if the PSP would be simple?


PSP has an analog stick for better support with FPS and other games
That true, dat. I have to agree there.


Massive sony userbase. and you say "what are you talking about, nintendo has the majority of the handheld market." so? all those 70 million plus ps2 owners have been waiting for a real handheld where they can play games with quality that can compare to their home console, without being laughed at by their preppy friends for playing a "Game Boy."(I am not one of these people by the way)

Last time I checked. Most people around here have these consoles: PS2 & GBA. Plus, the GBA is back compatible, that alone gives it loads of games.

[bearfart]

yea it just occured to me that the psp gameplay footage on gamespot.com is just FMV, and the in game will probably look like the death Jr. video.. Im slightly less impressed by the psp now. The DS just MIGHT have even better graphics than the psp with that said.. I'll tell you one thing, The metroid prime hunters video looks alot better than the death jr. video...
-------------------------------------------
so lets take a look here..

The DS is smaller

Capable of just as good if not better graphics

Both have wireless technology

DS features 2 screens and one is a touch screen

DS is backward compatable with GBA

DS games are on a much smaller media (sd card sized chip to be exact)

The DS will probably be about $100 cheaper

The DS will probably have a much better battery life because the PSP has a moving optical drive inside it.



The Nintendo DS is definitly looking to be the better handheld in pretty much EVERY aspect.. Take my word for it, the PSP has already lost..

OK, i'm not going to scream at your stupidity, because you obviously don't understand the situation. First of all: ITS SONY! There is already a massive fanbase waiting to recieve this thing. They already have several of the PS2's top games being ported at full quality to this thing, with new games in extremely successful franchises (Metal Gear) also set for launch. The graphics will surpass those of the PS2. Gran Turismo 4 for PSP will be a direct port of the PS2 version, as a LAUNCH game, which is already pushing the upper limits of the PS2 hardware. Not to mention the DS's dual screens is completely stupid: holding a stylus and the console at the same time while trying to play a game at the same time? I doubt that will work. Not to mention the PSP comes with an analog stick (or whatever you want to call it, because it is actually embedded in the system). The handheld war will end up exactly like the current console war: a runaway Sony victory, unless Nintendo's plans of a real new GB come to fruition in time for them to save themselves. Not to mention all that Nintendo has to lose in this, while Sony has nothing to lose. If Sony screws up...o well they still have PS2. If Nintendo screws up...they have nothing.

LOL what are YOU talking about... Millions of sony fans waiting to recieve this thing?? I think your forgetting whos making the DS, yea, NINTENDO... Yea, the undisputed champion of the handheld market. Whoever is waiting to recieve the PSP, multiply that x7 for the people waiting to recieve the DS... Right now Nintendo has 100% of the handheld market, so in order for sony to succeed, they need to convince a portion of the existing nintendo handheld fans that they have a better product, and once again sony is doing that by LYING.. They are mascarading a bunch of FMV footage as the PSP's ingame power... Theres sony for ya. They dont care if millions of people on launch day recieve there shiney new PSP and are dissapointed with its graphics, just as long as they get everyones money... And the sony consumers are so stupid that they will fall for it again just like they did with the PS2. Like the old saying goes, fool me once shame on you, fool me twice shame on me.. Sony is nothing but a bunch of hype in a t-shirt.

Oh and not to rain on your parade or anything but you Metal Gear for PSP, yea, Its a card game...

The UMD discs require a moving optical drive to spin them, thats going to drain the batteries so fast its not even funny.. And to counter it sony will have to put in a massive lithium Ion battery, which will not only add to the cost, but to the weight of the already mammoth machine.

And the thing about having to hold a stylus while playing the game. The DS games will hardly use the controll pad. Most of the game controlling will be touch screen, which will create the most open ended controlls ever, and will become yet another one of nintendos innovations that will become an industry standard. The whole "how does it controll" aspect of gaming will be a non issue, when all you have to do is touch the screen.

PLUS the DS has voice recognition, so you can just TELL it what to do. Yea enjoy your ONE analog stick!

The DS is showing up the PSP so bad its not even funny. Its flat out embaressing..

You don't know that sony is lying, you're just a hater and want to think that sony is lying, because if they're not, the DS will be completely blown away.

And for the voice recognition...uhh name 1 game that plans on using it.

They are showing off this FMV video at E3 and they arent telling anyone that its FMV, letting everyone assume that its ingame footage, thats basicly lying..

and yea thats a pretty easy argument to make when practicaly no information is known about anything at this point..

Ive seen the in game graphics of PSP, death jr, and its nowhere near as impressive as the stuff being shown on the DS. Go see for yourself, the videos are all on gamespot.com.. Compare Death jr with the stuff on DS specificly Metroid Prime Hunters.. draw your own opinions..

[ludacris06]

The DS is being aimed at the same 18+ year fanbase as PSP. It's just more focused on games.


Mario and Sonic aren't made for the 18+ Nintendo has even said they wanted to make games appeal torwards the young ones.

Sonic is still coming out for the PSP, but the majority of the games are for the older ones just like it was with the PS2. Nothing changed.

Sonic has yet to be confirmed for PSP.

And the hadndheld itself is being aimed at older gamers. Just cause it doesn't have a gore filled game doesn't mean it's not aimed at older gamers. Last I checked, kids weren't interested in online and lan game play, WiFi, movie playing, and MP3s in a handheld.


You dont get what I'm saying man.

What do kids play mostly?

Pokemon
Sonic
Mario
Zelda
and whatever Sega and Nintendo releases

What does Sony has under their belt?

Jak II
NBA Street
NFL Street
Tiger Woods Golf
Death Jr.
Metal Gear Solid
Tony Hawk Underground


You get what I'm sayin?

[Nuckles87]

I don't think it will be a complete flop(like the n-gage), I just think it will be enough to end nintendo's hardware business, seeing as the GBA is the only thing keeping it alive right now.

My reasons are:

1. Worse graphics than the PSP
2. Kiddie image
3. PSP has a better storage medium
4. DS design with the touch screen will not appeal to their main audience because it is more complicated than their 2 button gb layout
5. PSP has an analog stick for better support with FPS and other games
6. Massive sony userbase. and you say "what are you talking about, nintendo has the majority of the handheld market." so? all those 70 million plus ps2 owners have been waiting for a real handheld where they can play games with quality that can compare to their home console, without being laughed at by their preppy friends for playing a "Game Boy."(I am not one of these people by the way)

All these factors combined will result in less than the necessary sales that nintendo needs to make up for their Gamecube sales.


1. Only one game has actually been shown on PSP thats actually running on the PSP's in game graphics, Death Jr. And Metroid Prime rivals it at the least.

2. Metroid Prime: Hunters anyone?

3. Cards are cheaper, and don't need memory cards.

4. It will allow for better, more complicated games not possible on PSP, IM chat, as well as tons o other stuff that will make it the most open ended handheld on the market, unlike the PSP's bland, simple design. How do you even know it'll be complicated when you haven't played it yet?

5. I wouldn't call it an analag pad. What Zodiac has is an analog pad. PSP hasa fancy d-pad.

6. Now this is a good point. Sony's PS2 market could very well transition PSP. Luckily, DS comes out first, giving it an edge.

[Nuckles87]

The DS is being aimed at the same 18+ year fanbase as PSP. It's just more focused on games.


Mario and Sonic aren't made for the 18+ Nintendo has even said they wanted to make games appeal torwards the young ones.

Sonic is still coming out for the PSP, but the majority of the games are for the older ones just like it was with the PS2. Nothing changed.

Sonic has yet to be confirmed for PSP.

And the hadndheld itself is being aimed at older gamers. Just cause it doesn't have a gore filled game doesn't mean it's not aimed at older gamers. Last I checked, kids weren't interested in online and lan game play, WiFi, movie playing, and MP3s in a handheld.


You dont get what I'm saying man.

What do kids play mostly?

Pokemon
Sonic
Mario
Zelda
and whatever Sega and Nintendo releases

What does Sony has under their belt?

Jak II
NBA Street
NFL Street
Tiger Woods Golf
Death Jr.
Metal Gear Solid
Tony Hawk Underground


You get what I'm sayin?


And you don't get what I'm saying. The DS was not designed to be targeted at the child market. You said it yourself that the touchscreen will be overly complicated for them.

[ludacris06]

I don't think it will be a complete flop(like the n-gage), I just think it will be enough to end nintendo's hardware business, seeing as the GBA is the only thing keeping it alive right now.

My reasons are:

1. Worse graphics than the PSP
2. Kiddie image
3. PSP has a better storage medium
4. DS design with the touch screen will not appeal to their main audience because it is more complicated than their 2 button gb layout
5. PSP has an analog stick for better support with FPS and other games
6. Massive sony userbase. and you say "what are you talking about, nintendo has the majority of the handheld market." so? all those 70 million plus ps2 owners have been waiting for a real handheld where they can play games with quality that can compare to their home console, without being laughed at by their preppy friends for playing a "Game Boy."(I am not one of these people by the way)

All these factors combined will result in less than the necessary sales that nintendo needs to make up for their Gamecube sales.


1. Only one game has actually been shown on PSP thats actually running on the PSP's in game graphics, Death Jr. And Metroid Prime rivals it at the least.

2. Metroid Prime: Hunters anyone?

3. Cards are cheaper, and don't need memory cards.

4. It will allow for better, more complicated games not possible on PSP, IM chat, as well as tons o other stuff that will make it the most open ended handheld on the market, unlike the PSP's bland, simple design. How do you even know it'll be complicated when you haven't played it yet?

5. I wouldn't call it an analag pad. What Zodiac has is an analog pad. PSP hasa fancy d-pad.

6. Now this is a good point. Sony's PS2 market could very well transition PSP. Luckily, DS comes out first, giving it an edge.


Sony is not going against Nintendo man! And stop talking like you know everything about the DS and the PSP when they aren't even out yet. We only know what the media gives us, and things are subject to change.

Both handhelds don't even rival each other because the games dont fall under the same categoty.

I'm getting both, but the defense of the DS is getting a lil bias.

[ludacris06]

The DS is being aimed at the same 18+ year fanbase as PSP. It's just more focused on games.


Mario and Sonic aren't made for the 18+ Nintendo has even said they wanted to make games appeal torwards the young ones.

Sonic is still coming out for the PSP, but the majority of the games are for the older ones just like it was with the PS2. Nothing changed.

Sonic has yet to be confirmed for PSP.

And the hadndheld itself is being aimed at older gamers. Just cause it doesn't have a gore filled game doesn't mean it's not aimed at older gamers. Last I checked, kids weren't interested in online and lan game play, WiFi, movie playing, and MP3s in a handheld.


You dont get what I'm saying man.

What do kids play mostly?

Pokemon
Sonic
Mario
Zelda
and whatever Sega and Nintendo releases

What does Sony has under their belt?

Jak II
NBA Street
NFL Street
Tiger Woods Golf
Death Jr.
Metal Gear Solid
Tony Hawk Underground


You get what I'm sayin?


And you don't get what I'm saying. The DS was not designed to be targeted at the child market. You said it yourself that the touchscreen will be overly complicated for them.


I never said the touchscreen will be overly complicated for anyone. All you gotta do is touch the screen and watch somthing happen...there's no learning curve there.

The DS runs on game carts I thought...


Anyway, I peeped out the DS and I might have to get that because some of the games I grew up with are on there like Mario and Metroid. I already know Zelda will be coming around. The touch screen is crazy, especially how you have to use it on Metroid.

F' it then, Ill buy both.

Thats what I said, don't put words in my mouth.




And the hadndheld itself is being aimed at older gamers. Just cause it doesn't have a gore filled game doesn't mean it's not aimed at older gamers.

The games that are made for the DS currently show that it's made for the younger teens.

[poweredbyrice]

the psp don't got anolog stick, waht look like an anolog is actually teh speaker.

[bearfart]

lol, he's probably right... so much for PSPs one stand out feature!! LMAO!

[Nuckles87]

"4. DS design with the touch screen will not appeal to their main audience because it is more complicated than their 2 button gb layout "

Anyway, like I said, design of the HARDWARE, not the software. The design of the console itself is not designed for kids. "Last I checked, kids weren't interested in online and lan game play, WiFi, movie playing, and MP3s in a handheld."

"The DS runs on game carts I thought... "

Cards actually, and unlike carts, but like cds, then can do FMVs, cd quality sound, and can hold tons of data.



"The games that are made for the DS currently show that it's made for the younger teens."

Odd, thats what the PSP line up is aiming for...

[Nuckles87]

the psp don't got anolog stick, waht look like an anolog is actually teh speaker.

Really? A speaker eh? Oy...

Yeah, I just saw the pic. A d-pad. Oh well, looks like Zodiac is still unique then...

[Nuckles87]

Ape Escape

Dynasty Warriors

F1 Racing

Medieval

Metal Gear Solid

NBA Street

Need for Speed Underground

NFL Street

Tiger Woods

Tony Hawk Pro Skater

Twisted Metal

Wipeout


Looks like a line up for teens...oh, and the Metal Gear game is a card game.

[poweredbyrice]

speaking of dynasty warriors, I've seen the E3 preview for it on the psp trailer and it look exactly liek the one on dynasty warriors 4 on my ps2, from teh intro to the character's costume.

[bearfart]

speaking of dynasty warriors, I've seen the E3 preview for it on the psp trailer and it look exactly liek the one on dynasty warriors 4 on my ps2, from teh intro to the character's costume.

oh really? cool cause thats a DS game too..

[Nuckles87]

probably an FMV...

Would be nice though, eh?

[sonicfreak4003]

the psp don't got anolog stick, waht look like an anolog is actually teh speaker.

Are you kidding me? You want proof? Here:

"Interesting to note is that the device does, in fact, have an analog pad on it. The small disc just below the D pad, once thought to be a speaker, is the PSP's analog pad. It slides around fairly smoothly and, unlike the analog pads on the PS2, can't be pushed in for a button press. The D pad and the system's six main buttons--four on the face and two on the shoulders--are digital buttons. There are also a collection of system control buttons just below the screen, giving you volume control. There is also a "home" button here, leading one to believe that the PSP may have some sort of front-end outside of a game's main menu."

Straight from gamespot. You want the link as proof? Here:

http://www.gamespot.com/news/2004/05/12/news_6097775.html

Third paragraph. Idiot.

[Nuckles87]

Ah...

Thats better 8)


No need to insult, smeg head ;).

[sonicfreak4003]

Sorry, ignorance :):):):)es me off sometimes.

[Nuckles87]

Aye, same here, but that wasn't ignorance, it was not getting the latest update. I didn't even see an analog pad on the pic till now.

[sonicfreak4003]

The DS is being aimed at the same 18+ year fanbase as PSP. It's just more focused on games.


Mario and Sonic aren't made for the 18+ Nintendo has even said they wanted to make games appeal torwards the young ones.

Sonic is still coming out for the PSP, but the majority of the games are for the older ones just like it was with the PS2. Nothing changed.

Sonic has yet to be confirmed for PSP.

And the hadndheld itself is being aimed at older gamers. Just cause it doesn't have a gore filled game doesn't mean it's not aimed at older gamers. Last I checked, kids weren't interested in online and lan game play, WiFi, movie playing, and MP3s in a handheld.


You dont get what I'm saying man.

What do kids play mostly?

Pokemon
Sonic
Mario
Zelda
and whatever Sega and Nintendo releases

What does Sony has under their belt?

Jak II
NBA Street
NFL Street
Tiger Woods Golf
Death Jr.
Metal Gear Solid
Tony Hawk Underground


You get what I'm sayin?


And you don't get what I'm saying. The DS was not designed to be targeted at the child market. You said it yourself that the touchscreen will be overly complicated for them.

And yet, it's games seem aimed at this market.

[Nuckles87]

Those "kiddy" games are classic Nintendo franchises that have been on virtually every Nintendo console. Of course thet

Other games, like Dynasty Warriors, Metroid Prime: Hunters, Dragon Ball Z, Mobile Suit Gundam, Viewtiful Joe, and Dragon Quest are far from kiddy.

[sonicfreak4003]

Dragon Ball Z is far from kiddy?

[Nuckles87]

Dragon Ball Z is EXTREMELY popular with the teenage demograph. Plus, the game is kinda rated T on the home consoles.

[sonicfreak4003]

I do't know one person that plays Dragonball Z...it may be popular with people in your area. And ratings don't mean :):):):).

[poweredbyrice]

it does means something, down here is california I've seen retailers asking for driver's license to buy those overate mature games.

[sonicfreak4003]

Im talking about the in-game contents.

[sonicfreak4003]

Ok, time to end this thread. You still think the PSP is huge? Take a look at theis video demonstration:

http://www.gamespot.com/psp/driving/granturismo/media.html?gcst=psp_gt4mobile.asx

Look at the video labeled "PSP Demonstration." Look at the picture next to the title. Barely bigger than the GBA. 3 times my @ss...

[Nuckles87]

Yer talking about in game content? That means ratings DO mean crap then. And DBZ is a T rated game.

Anyway, interesting. Coulda sworn it was larger when I saw it on Tech TV. Maybe that guy had small hands or something?

[sonicfreak4003]

It is right next to a GBA. Should give you a pretty good idea of it's size.

[Nuckles87]

Aye, that it tis. Sweet, now all they have to do is lower the price to something thats actually affordable.

[Exeox]

Aye, that it tis. Sweet, now all they have to do is lower the price to something thats actually affordable.
Don't get your hopes up. :P

[magicdc11401]

The graphics will rock and it look good. But I heard the battery life is very short.

If I heard correctly, battery life is estimated right now to be from 2 1/2 hours to up to 10 hours (when the GBA right now has 20 hours of battery life).

[Nuckles87]

2 1/2 hours for gameplay, 10 hours for music ;).

[milleniumeagle08]

that doesnt sound to good, only up to 10 hours? jeeez![/quote]

[veterangamer]

.....to the fanboys of the impending PSP/DS war, I hate to break it to you guys but THEY BOTH HAVE THEIR OWN DIFFRENT ADVANTAGES OVER ONE ANOTHER! Both these machines WILL SUCCEED and I can tell you why:

For the anti PSP fanboys (who will most likely support DS):

#1. It's SONY (the legions of Sony fans WILL support it).

#2. It's COOLER LOOKING ( has more mainstream appeal than DS right now).

#3. Does have a bulit-in joystick for analog control.

#4. Has the BIGGEST SCREEN of any handheld system out there.

#5. It's just as powerful as the PS2 Itself (won't be surpised to see classic ports of PS2 games on this system)

#6. Has a fair amount of third party support (same ones supporting PS2 will be supporting PSP)


For the anti Nintendo DS fanboys (who will most likely be supporting PSP):

#1. The DS will be Cheaper than PSP ($199 listed, and we have yet to hear Sony's asking price). It will also be released in time for the holiday season 2004, and PSP will be waiting for 2005 to launch.

#2. It's BACKWARD COMPATABLE with the entire Game Boy library! (Nintendo wasn't going to screw over their own handheld install base). Basically the DS IS OPEN HOUSE FOR ALL GB GAMERS, which makes up the vast majority of the CURRENT handheld market).

#3. The TWO SCREENS as advertised opens up new dimensions in gameplay. With an extra screen for touch control, it offers all gamers new ways to play their favorite games.

#4. It's CLAMSHELL DESIGN (much like GBASP) offers more convience and protection for the system screens/controls as opposed to PSP's screen protection (which has not been fully explained/nor seen).

#5. Each screen will be running on diffrent levels of graphics power (not full blown like PSP mind you, but the system is 3D and fully capable of 64 bits for one screen and close to a full 128 for the other).

#6. Has VERY STRONG THIRD PARTY support 100 third party developers (which is no suprise, since Nintendo controls most of the handheld market). It's definately got the interest of most of the third parties out there, in which there's more chances to play games (Nintendo made or Third Party) with innovative gameplay (something the PSP cannot offer).


All these all the reasons why they'll both succeed?????? nope Are they the most important????? I think so. Are Nintendo in for the fight of their life with PSP???? Looks like it. Can the DS hold it's own against it???? You bet.

From all reasons aside, looks to be a VERY competitive market now, should be HELLA FUN for both Sony and Nintendo fans and fanboys alike.

[sonicfreak4003]

One difference. Sony has nothing to lose. Nintendo has everything to lose.

[Exeox]

Y'know.
As we know, the PSX in Japan is struggling. And the Playstation Portable is being totally unnoticed to the Nintendo DS. In other words: DS at the moment seems more popular. Is this the Sony empire finally showing cracks? Xbox sales are catching up with the Ps2, remember the Genesis & Snes?

No company can hold it's own console campaign for ever, look at Atari, although they sorta killed themselves.

[FlowinWater]

DS so far for me. Seems more new and interesting. 200 bucks is a reasonable price with LAN and the wireless IM chat thing. Imagine the possibilities with the chat! you can cheat in class if the guy you want to cheat with is in the same classroom or maybe even in the next class :D
DS has no problems with games heh.


Now the PSP has a better design but I am just not feeling it. Sounds like you gotta buy memory cards, sounds like you gotta buy things to use the MP3, sounds like this PSP is goin to be more than 300 bucks. If you expect it to be less your dumb.

so far my money is on the DS.

[sonicfreak4003]

DS so far for me. Seems more new and interesting. 200 bucks is a reasonable price with LAN and the wireless IM chat thing. Imagine the possibilities with the chat! you can cheat in class if the guy you want to cheat with is in the same classroom or maybe even in the next class :D
DS has no problems with games heh.


Now the PSP has a better design but I am just not feeling it. Sounds like you gotta buy memory cards, sounds like you gotta buy things to use the MP3, sounds like this PSP is goin to be more than 300 bucks. If you expect it to be less your dumb.

so far my money is on the DS.

Well I guess all those dumb people are now right. :roll:

[Nuckles87]

One difference. Sony has nothing to lose. Nintendo has everything to lose.

They both have something to loose: credibility as a console maker in the market.

If Sony fails, they fall back to PS2. If Nintendo fails, they fall back to Gameboy.

[FlowinWater]

I still stand on my statement. Sony has not yet stated and Official price for the unit. I still think it will be over 300 bucks and I hope it won't be. And you expect for Nintendo to lose their Handheld market? Seriously Sony can only take some of the market Nintendo has monopolized and that is about it, Sony WON'T take it in ONE generation, that my friends is DUMB.

[ludacris06]

PSP is a must buy for me. All my favorite games are coming out for it.

The PSP isn't really that big eaither.

http://www.gameinformer.com/ScreenShotViewer/ScreenShotFrames.aspx?CS_pid={3664C5B3-6B3B-4A3A-A4E5-7E1D61DE1D02}&mediaId=0

The DS does have nice features, but everything else is a blah.

http://www.gameinformer.com/News/Story/200405/N04.0511.2006.12066.htm

I still think the PSP has more to offer at the moment. Well it depends on how you plan to use the handheld I guess.


Well I plan to play games or listen to MP3's on the PSP. I might even go get a movie if im intrested.

[stej247]

It would be cool to see this umd thing that sony's introducing really take off. It could be the mobile form of dvds.

[camaro126]

DS isn't much smaller! Oh and if you compare the PSP to GBA(not SP) it's barely bigger. It's a perfect size.

[Anayo]

yea it just occured to me that the psp gameplay footage on gamespot.com is just FMV, and the in game will probably look like the death Jr. video.. Im slightly less impressed by the psp now. The DS just MIGHT have even better graphics than the psp with that said.. I'll tell you one thing, The metroid prime hunters video looks alot better than the death jr. video...
-------------------------------------------
so lets take a look here..

The DS is smaller

Capable of just as good if not better graphics

Both have wireless technology

DS features 2 screens and one is a touch screen

DS is backward compatable with GBA

DS games are on a much smaller media (sd card sized chip to be exact)

The DS will probably be about $100 cheaper

The DS will probably have a much better battery life because the PSP has a moving optical drive inside it.



The Nintendo DS is definitly looking to be the better handheld in pretty much EVERY aspect.. Take my word for it, the PSP has already lost..

OK, i'm not going to scream at your stupidity, because you obviously don't understand the situation. First of all: ITS SONY! There is already a massive fanbase waiting to recieve this thing. They already have several of the PS2's top games being ported at full quality to this thing, with new games in extremely successful franchises (Metal Gear) also set for launch. The graphics will surpass those of the PS2. Gran Turismo 4 for PSP will be a direct port of the PS2 version, as a LAUNCH game, which is already pushing the upper limits of the PS2 hardware. Not to mention the DS's dual screens is completely stupid: holding a stylus and the console at the same time while trying to play a game at the same time? I doubt that will work. Not to mention the PSP comes with an analog stick (or whatever you want to call it, because it is actually embedded in the system). The handheld war will end up exactly like the current console war: a runaway Sony victory, unless Nintendo's plans of a real new GB come to fruition in time for them to save themselves. Not to mention all that Nintendo has to lose in this, while Sony has nothing to lose. If Sony screws up...o well they still have PS2. If Nintendo screws up...they have nothing.
What a loyal sony fanboy you are!

[darthknight]

Sony did screw up with the ps2, they just hyped it so much that it didn't matter.

[MuzzyX]

how the hell you know the graphics for the psp are for real. hell no they arent, they never allowed anyone to try out the games with those so called ps2 graphics... just streamed footagge into the psp of "actual gameplay"
i wouldnt be suprised if this console is less what they say it to be, knowing sony, but if im wrong, then the world is c oming to an end.

[MuzzyX]

DS isn't much smaller!
but the psp's battery life is :P

[darthknight]

how the hell you know the graphics for the psp are for real. hell no they arent, they never allowed anyone to try out the games with those so called ps2 graphics... just streamed footagge into the psp of "actual gameplay"
i wouldnt be suprised if this console is less what they say it to be, knowing sony, but if im wrong, then the world is c oming to an end.
That's what I've been saying! But everybody is like, "I saw the screenshots!" Screenshots don't mean jack.

[Anayo]

.....to the fanboys of the impending PSP/DS war, I hate to break it to you guys but THEY BOTH HAVE THEIR OWN DIFFRENT ADVANTAGES OVER ONE ANOTHER! Both these machines WILL SUCCEED and I can tell you why:

For the anti PSP fanboys (who will most likely support DS):

#1. It's SONY (the legions of Sony fans WILL support it).

#2. It's COOLER LOOKING ( has more mainstream appeal than DS right now).

#3. Does have a bulit-in joystick for analog control.

#4. Has the BIGGEST SCREEN of any handheld system out there.

#5. It's just as powerful as the PS2 Itself (won't be surpised to see classic ports of PS2 games on this system)

#6. Has a fair amount of third party support (same ones supporting PS2 will be supporting PSP)


For the anti Nintendo DS fanboys (who will most likely be supporting PSP):

#1. The DS will be Cheaper than PSP ($199 listed, and we have yet to hear Sony's asking price). It will also be released in time for the holiday season 2004, and PSP will be waiting for 2005 to launch.

#2. It's BACKWARD COMPATABLE with the entire Game Boy library! (Nintendo wasn't going to screw over their own handheld install base). Basically the DS IS OPEN HOUSE FOR ALL GB GAMERS, which makes up the vast majority of the CURRENT handheld market).

#3. The TWO SCREENS as advertised opens up new dimensions in gameplay. With an extra screen for touch control, it offers all gamers new ways to play their favorite games.

#4. It's CLAMSHELL DESIGN (much like GBASP) offers more convience and protection for the system screens/controls as opposed to PSP's screen protection (which has not been fully explained/nor seen).

#5. Each screen will be running on diffrent levels of graphics power (not full blown like PSP mind you, but the system is 3D and fully capable of 64 bits for one screen and close to a full 128 for the other).

#6. Has VERY STRONG THIRD PARTY support 100 third party developers (which is no suprise, since Nintendo controls most of the handheld market). It's definately got the interest of most of the third parties out there, in which there's more chances to play games (Nintendo made or Third Party) with innovative gameplay (something the PSP cannot offer).


All these all the reasons why they'll both succeed?????? nope Are they the most important????? I think so. Are Nintendo in for the fight of their life with PSP???? Looks like it. Can the DS hold it's own against it???? You bet.

From all reasons aside, looks to be a VERY competitive market now, should be HELLA FUN for both Sony and Nintendo fans and fanboys alike.
I seriosly wish that more people's thought process worked like yours.

[troublemaker#1]

I dont see why some of you people are complaining about its size? The screen is perfect. I'd rather have it bigger than smaller. And Even tho I'm getting both, its quite obvious, the Psp has way more exclusives that interest me than the Ds. And quite frankly, If they use that touch screen for stupid aplications like the way you controlled Samus Aran in Metroid Prime Hunters, I won't be buying the system at all. I refuse to control a game like that with the touch screen. Sorry Nintendo.

[MuzzyX]

touch screen for mp hunters = optional

[cheaptrick905]

how the hell you know the graphics for the psp are for real. hell no they arent, they never allowed anyone to try out the games with those so called ps2 graphics... just streamed footagge into the psp of "actual gameplay"
i wouldnt be suprised if this console is less what they say it to be, knowing sony, but if im wrong, then the world is c oming to an end.
Wouldn't you know if you've got video streaming while you play? Try watching a FMV and playing the game. Nothing happens. But the video's I've seen are people playing, they couldn't possibly show a FMV and trick you at the same time. Thats retarded.

[MuzzyX]

doesnt have to be fmv :):):):):):):)...
nevermind i think itd be too hard to explain to you what they stream and how they make it...

[cheaptrick905]

doesnt have to be fmv ****...
nevermind i think itd be too hard to explain to you what they stream and how they make it...
I know that - but are you trying to tell me that they timed what happened on screen even though they aren't affiliated with Nintendo other then reviewing? Just a misconception (sp?), sorry. I'm confused now. Lemme buy you a beer.

[MuzzyX]

no thanks i dont drink

[troublemaker#1]

no thanks i dont drink

You missing out dawg!!! Trust me! LOL :twisted:

What if I bought you a beer? LOL! When you are out with :):):):):)es, Beer is your 2nd best friend, next to your ride home of course!

[Anayo]

no thanks i dont drink

You missing out dawg!!! Trust me! LOL :twisted:

What if I bought you a beer? LOL! When you are out with :):):):):)es, Beer is your 2nd best friend, next to your ride home of course!
I should like to inquire as to what you were drinking when you wrote that message. Or do you always act like that?

[troublemaker#1]

no thanks i dont drink

You missing out dawg!!! Trust me! LOL :twisted:

What if I bought you a beer? LOL! When you are out with :):):):):)es, Beer is your 2nd best friend, next to your ride home of course!
I should like to inquire as to what you were drinking when you wrote that message. Or do you always act like that?

Newcastle Brown Ale, and a few left over Mickeys Barrel Bottles! Honesty! And Anayo, you know what thay say man, "When you speak while drinking, You usually speak from the heart".

Anyways to translate that for you, I meant every word I said in that sentence. "When out at a bar with women, Beer is your 2nd best friend next to your ride home". Not only did I mean that, It's common knowledge man! :lol:

[sonicfreak4003]

yea it just occured to me that the psp gameplay footage on gamespot.com is just FMV, and the in game will probably look like the death Jr. video.. Im slightly less impressed by the psp now. The DS just MIGHT have even better graphics than the psp with that said.. I'll tell you one thing, The metroid prime hunters video looks alot better than the death jr. video...
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so lets take a look here..

The DS is smaller

Capable of just as good if not better graphics

Both have wireless technology

DS features 2 screens and one is a touch screen

DS is backward compatable with GBA

DS games are on a much smaller media (sd card sized chip to be exact)

The DS will probably be about $100 cheaper

The DS will probably have a much better battery life because the PSP has a moving optical drive inside it.



The Nintendo DS is definitly looking to be the better handheld in pretty much EVERY aspect.. Take my word for it, the PSP has already lost..

OK, i'm not going to scream at your stupidity, because you obviously don't understand the situation. First of all: ITS SONY! There is already a massive fanbase waiting to recieve this thing. They already have several of the PS2's top games being ported at full quality to this thing, with new games in extremely successful franchises (Metal Gear) also set for launch. The graphics will surpass those of the PS2. Gran Turismo 4 for PSP will be a direct port of the PS2 version, as a LAUNCH game, which is already pushing the upper limits of the PS2 hardware. Not to mention the DS's dual screens is completely stupid: holding a stylus and the console at the same time while trying to play a game at the same time? I doubt that will work. Not to mention the PSP comes with an analog stick (or whatever you want to call it, because it is actually embedded in the system). The handheld war will end up exactly like the current console war: a runaway Sony victory, unless Nintendo's plans of a real new GB come to fruition in time for them to save themselves. Not to mention all that Nintendo has to lose in this, while Sony has nothing to lose. If Sony screws up...o well they still have PS2. If Nintendo screws up...they have nothing.
What a loyal sony fanboy you are!

Wow, a :):):):)ing noob telling me that I'm a Sony fanboy. Have you even read my posts in the Xbox forums :):):):):):):)?

[troublemaker#1]

WHAT A LOYAL NINTENDO FANBOY BEARFART IS!!! :o Bearfart is the biggest Nintendo fanboy here LOL. Quite ignorant too, I might add. He says he owns all 3 consoles but he sure as hell to me don't sound like he do.

[superdude2]

Dude, is PSP is huge, then the DS must be XBOX sized, cause everyone said DS was bigger in size than PSP, but not in value.

[zeronumber]

Oh please people get over it.

First off the psp is bearly an inch longer then gba, and harldy an inch thinker.

Ds is roughly the same size and with as gba.

I know bearfart, psp is too huge.... :roll:

But then again you're a ninty fanboy, I guess if psp was smaller then ds, you'd be b*tchin that psp was too small...

[troublemaker#1]

Sad thing is though, with everything else coming out I allready want, and with what little free time I actually Have. I might actually have to pass on both systems entirely! :shock: :cry: I'm serious.

[Link]

I don't really care about the size. As long as it isnt the size of a laptop PC I'm fine.

I might actually get both of these syetems, DS is my main priority and I'll probably get PSP if I like the games and it isn't priced too high.