PSP to be $150 w/o Wireless abilities according to PSM......

[magicdc11401]

Get this and see if any of you believe it: according to Playstation Magazine (PSM) in its May issue, it states that Sony plans to release the PSP for $150 without its wireless abilities.However, it says that for just under $50 you can add on the wireless capabilities.Does anyone actually buy this? Sony'd be losing HUGE amounts of money if this was true (but it would be a good gain for all of us).

[sonicfreak4003]

That would be sweet. So $200 for the whole package? Definetely worth it, but i wont believe it until I see it myself.

[MuzzyX]

if this is their overhyping... anyways, they will be losing a sh1t load of money, but it seems worth it

[Nuckles87]

Hmm...looks like Sony plans to really compete here :D.

[poweredbyrice]

I guess they're taking the MS way, they think loosing profit for each psp sold can be make up through software sales.
cause teh psp tecnology is way more advance teh teh sony ericsson, and what? the ericsson is liek 250 already.

[sonicfreak4003]

It is now a very serious problem for Nintendo. They better hope that it is not recieved well.

[bearfart]

lets get a source before we all start stroking eachother..

[sonicfreak4003]

I'll go buy the magazine and confirm it.

[Nuckles87]

I'd personally wait for a real comfirmation from IGN or something...

[bearfart]

Lets just anylize this rationaly here.. The psp isnt due out for almost a whole year (march 05). Everything about it is very preliminary... Its very unlikely that they have even begun to determin these things.. I dont think this is true...

[Knuckles_The_Echidna]

The Pres. of Sony Said its $199.99
I read that in an interview with the pres of Sony in a Popular Mechanics Magazine.

[Nuckles87]

Perhaps he meant the full package though?

[sonicfreak4003]

Yea, he would probably only mention the price of the device that they showed, which was the one with the wireless stuff.

[ludacris06]

Sony has nothing to loose... Am I not correct? All the major franchises are on the PSP, and somewhere down the line, Sony is making profit instead of loosing profit. Sony wouldn't release somthing that wouldn't give them money in return. Even if Sony had nothing to loose.

[veterangamer]

:shock: If it ends up being $200 or less, this thing WILL be FLYING off the shevles, I GAURNTEE IT! (and almost all the time I NEVER GAURNTEE anything, lol).

[magicdc11401]

lets get a source before we all start stroking eachother..

Well, it's a source you want, it's a source you'll get:

http://boardsus.playstation.com/playstation/board/message?board.id=psp&message.id=17036&page=2

This is really just a URL that proves what I heard from PSM is true, but here's a quote:


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psychogenicscc wrote:



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ps2 dude wrote:

i heard around $250


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PSM says $150....I say $179...
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PSM also "confirmed" that the PSP would ship without wireless installed, and the adaptor would be $50. Let's assume that PSM's guess means absolutely nothing, 'kay?



The guy that posted this obviously doesn't have very high hopes ih the fact that what PSM says is true.Then again, it IS the official playstation magazine, so.....we can't exactly it's not true until they give a definitive price.

[bearfart]

dude, a link to some other message board not only is not a source, but it kind of takes away from its credibility even more...

[FlowinWater]

Heck yea if it is 200 bucks I will buy both the DS and PSP :D

[stej247]

PSP will kill the ds if it's only 200 bucks

[bearfart]

even if the price is even, DS still has the edge because it has WAY more features.. Like a nintendo rep said durring E3,
"The DS can easily mimic anything the psp can do, but the PSP cant mimic most things the DS will do due to hardware limitations" In other words, if a developer makes a game that utilizes touch screen technology, 2 screens, and voice recognition for the DS, that game could NEVER be ported to the PSP because it lacks the proper hardware. But a traditional PSP game that uses traditional button controlls can be ported to the DS because the DS has button controlls as well...

With DS your getting more. DS and PSP are not going about the same stratagy. The PSP is a traditional handheld game player that will play games in a traditional way. The DS is trying to change the way games are played. Its really not even proper to be comparing the DS and PSP. A more reasonable comparison is the PSP and GBA. And I dont even think the PSP could take on the GBA. The GBA already has an untouchable lead. The GBA doesent have near the ammount of graphical power, but that doesent make the GBA games any less great. The GBA uses power just above super nintendo but the games are some of the best games. With GBA your getting excelent quality games and its a fraction of the price. The GBA has a very sleek design with the back lit screen and rechargable battery that lasts 18 hours.. Its alot more compact. Its also alot more appealing to the younger audience.. The PSP wont even put a dent in the GBA market, its just too far imbedded into the industry. Its like a stain in the carpet thats been there for 7 years, its not comming out.. The GBA has all kinds of relationships with game developers and such.

Here is whats going to happen... The PSP will launch just like the xbox did in japan.. All of the people who plan to buy the system will buy it on launch day then sales will die down dramaticly.. The PSP will last for a while but it will never see the success that the Gameboy has....

[Nuckles87]

PSP has more than games. And it supposedly has PS2 graphics. And well, it's PS. It has a very good chance of wiping the floor with DS with a $150 price tag.

[bearfart]

PSP has more than games. And it supposedly has PS2 graphics. And well, it's PS. It has a very good chance of wiping the floor with DS with a $150 price tag.


exactly, It has more than games.. But it adds nothing new and innovative to the GAMEPLAY. And like ive said, despite the GBA having way lower graphics, the quality of the games themselves are still excelent games. So what if its PS, this is GAMEBOY.. The one system that sells MORE than PS..

And as for the PSP vs. the DS, they are not in direct competition. Just because the DS and PSP are more formidable oponents in terms of power, Sony's objective is solely to obtain a portion of the handheld gaming market and thats a market that held almost exclusivly by the GBA.. Its the GBA the PSP needs to focus on... Remember, the Gameboy continued to dominate despite the fact that the Game Gear was the more technologicaly advanced system.. Everyone acts like this is a big deal but the truth is Gameboy has seen this scenario before.. nothing is different other than the fact that the gameboy is even bigger now than it was then, and there is no reason to believe the result will be any different either..

[darthknight]

He's right. Lot's of portable systems have come and gone, and yet the GB always remains. It probably didn't help that the game gear went through batteries like no other...

[bearfart]

He's right. Lot's of portable systems have come and gone, and yet the GB always remains. It probably didn't help that the game gear went through batteries like no other...


thats exactly a problem that the experts are predicting the psp to have... Its funny how history can repeat itself to the most minor detail like that..

[stej247]

Nintendo is trying to redifine themselves with the launch of the ds, to try to appeal to a more mature audiance. The problem is that you do not do that with a handheld system. both the DS and the PSP will retail for $200, the psp $150 is you choose to opt out of the online ability. Even if nintendo says that the ds isn't the "heir apparent" to the gba, most consumers [kids] are going to see it as such, and to be honest, nintendo's massive child audiance will have trouble affording a $200 unit. with the DS, nintendo is targeting a more mature audiance, and that's been sony's turf since '95. This audiance consists moreso of the casual gamer then that of the hardcore gamer and anything with the name sony embroided onto it they are most likely to purchase. The DS has a chance, but by no means can it alone win over the audiance that sony has dominated for a decade.

[bearfart]

Like you said, the mature audience consists of mostly casual gamers. Casual gamers dont have company loyalty, they will go where they see games they like.. Nintendo till now hasnt made a real big effort to appeal to the mature audience. Now they are, i dont think its going to be real hard.. Plus your wrong about the handheld thing. The majority of GBA SP owners are 17+.. Its the handheld market that IS rich in a mature audience.. And its a GOOD move on Nintendo's part to make a more expensive and mature oriented handheld.. Your contradicting yourself either way because thats exactly what Sony is doing too with the PSP..

[stej247]

you are forgetting that most of other companies that have challenged nintendo's dominance inthe handheld department were really no name companies [exception of sega] with very little experience in the field and very, very little insurace capital. But this is sony we're talking about, a multi billion dollar company, with a huge install base of ps2 owners. and seeing as to the fact that the ps3 won't see the light of day until 2007, what else is there for sony fans to poor their money into? This is going to be a make or break year for nintendo, very similar to that faced by sega back in '99, and we all know what happend there.

[stej247]

[quote="bearfart"]Like you said, the mature audience consists of mostly casual gamers. Casual gamers dont have company loyalty, they will go where they see games they like... quote]

Exactly right. Casual gamers don't have company loyalty and will flock to the system which produces the games they like, and I can assure you that they won't buy a system because it has a game which makes mario and luigi look good. Sony dominates the casual gamer audiance, the audiace that wants GT, Socom, Need for speed, and you aren't gonna find those titles on the DS.

[bearfart]

you are forgetting that most of other companies that have challenged nintendo's dominance inthe handheld department were really no name companies [exception of sega] with very little experience in the field and very, very little insurace capital. But this is sony we're talking about, a multi billion dollar company, with a huge install base of ps2 owners. and seeing as to the fact that the ps3 won't see the light of day until 2007, what else is there for sony fans to poor their money into? This is going to be a make or break year for nintendo, very similar to that faced by sega back in '99, and we all know what happend there.

And Sony DOES have experience in the handheld industry?? And, Ok sony has a huge install base of PS2 owners, so?? So by your logic all these ps2 fans will automaticly go for the PSP?? ok then, by that logic, the Gameboy install base (an even bigger group of people) should go for the DS...You've yet to make a case for the psp...

And this is nothing like sega at all.. Nintendo is doing great finacialy.. People forget that Nintendo is also the company behind Gameboy, the most successful game unit of all time to this day.... Believe me Nintendo has a bit of money to throw around as well..

[stej247]

And Sony DOES have experience in the handheld industry?? And, Ok sony has a huge install base of PS2 owners, so?? So by your logic all these ps2 fans will automaticly go for the PSP??

No, those who do purchase a handheld will probably get the one which has the games they most often play, like GT, Socom, Need for Speed, all of which are psp launch titles. PS2 owners didn't buy didn't buy the GC because it had mario on it, and most won't buy the DS for that same reason.

[stej247]

Nintendo is doing great finacialy.. People forget that Nintendo is also the company behind Gameboy, the most successful game unit of all time to this day.... Believe me Nintendo has a bit of money to throw around as well..

Nintendo may be financialy stable, but to compare the 2 companies would be like comparing some one who lives in beverly hills to someone who lives in harlem (sory if anyone is offended). Nintendo has more to lose, and if it loses the hand held marcket, what else does it have? If by chance the psp flops, so what? It's not going to be the apocolypse for sony, becasue the ps3 will mop up any financial loss brought upon by the psp, although the chances of the psp failing isn't a reality.

[stej247]

shouldn't have said "reality", should have said "the chances of psp failing is a strech".

[sonicfreak4003]

you are forgetting that most of other companies that have challenged nintendo's dominance inthe handheld department were really no name companies [exception of sega] with very little experience in the field and very, very little insurace capital. But this is sony we're talking about, a multi billion dollar company, with a huge install base of ps2 owners. and seeing as to the fact that the ps3 won't see the light of day until 2007, what else is there for sony fans to poor their money into? This is going to be a make or break year for nintendo, very similar to that faced by sega back in '99, and we all know what happend there.

And Sony DOES have experience in the handheld industry?? And, Ok sony has a huge install base of PS2 owners, so?? So by your logic all these ps2 fans will automaticly go for the PSP?? ok then, by that logic, the Gameboy install base (an even bigger group of people) should go for the DS...You've yet to make a case for the psp...

And this is nothing like sega at all.. Nintendo is doing great finacialy.. People forget that Nintendo is also the company behind Gameboy, the most successful game unit of all time to this day.... Believe me Nintendo has a bit of money to throw around as well..

You think Nintendo has a bit of money to throw around? They can't waste anything. The only thing keeping them alive is the GBA. They shouldn't be trying to innovate when their future as a hardware producer is at stake. Sony, on the other hand, has had amazing sales with the PS2, and can afford to experiment with handhelds.

[Camron Kosciozko]

:shock: If it ends up being $200 or less, this thing WILL be FLYING off the shevles, I GAURNTEE IT! (and almost all the time I NEVER GAURNTEE anything, lol).

Yea.

If this thing comes out for 150, itll seriously threaten nintendo's handheld dominance. The thing jus destroys the Ds in cool points and people would buy it jus because of word of mouth association.

The name playstation is dangerous.

[sonicfreak4003]

PSP has more than games. And it supposedly has PS2 graphics. And well, it's PS. It has a very good chance of wiping the floor with DS with a $150 price tag.


exactly, It has more than games.. But it adds nothing new and innovative to the GAMEPLAY. And like ive said, despite the GBA having way lower graphics, the quality of the games themselves are still excelent games. So what if its PS, this is GAMEBOY.. The one system that sells MORE than PS..

And as for the PSP vs. the DS, they are not in direct competition. Just because the DS and PSP are more formidable oponents in terms of power, Sony's objective is solely to obtain a portion of the handheld gaming market and thats a market that held almost exclusivly by the GBA..

Are you kidding me. You think Sony just wants to play nice? You think they don't mind if Nintendo is there? They want to wipe out Nintendo completely and get all of the handheld market, just like any aggressive business would.

[bearfart]

Nintendo is doing great finacialy.. People forget that Nintendo is also the company behind Gameboy, the most successful game unit of all time to this day.... Believe me Nintendo has a bit of money to throw around as well..

Nintendo may be financialy stable, but to compare the 2 companies would be like comparing some one who lives in beverly hills to someone who lives in harlem (sory if anyone is offended). Nintendo has more to lose, and if it loses the hand held marcket, what else does it have? If by chance the psp flops, so what? It's not going to be the apocolypse for sony, becasue the ps3 will mop up any financial loss brought upon by the psp, although the chances of the psp failing isn't a reality.

True Sony has way more money than Nintendo but Nintendo isnt the one trying to break into the handheld market either.. They already own it, and its sony that needs to spend money trying to get in.. Nintendo isnt losing the handheld market. And you got it completly backwards, its Sony whose balls are on the line. Sony is pumping SOOO much money into the PSP. They are going to sell the consoles at a loss, do you know what that means?? HUGE risk! The PSP costs more to make than what they are selling it for, in hopes of making the money all back over a LONG period of time in software sales. Now if they cant stick it out long enough to start making money back, they will just lose all of the money they've invested, and thats ALOT of money.. And PS3 funding may suffer..

[sonicfreak4003]

Nintendo is doing great finacialy.. People forget that Nintendo is also the company behind Gameboy, the most successful game unit of all time to this day.... Believe me Nintendo has a bit of money to throw around as well..

Nintendo may be financialy stable, but to compare the 2 companies would be like comparing some one who lives in beverly hills to someone who lives in harlem (sory if anyone is offended). Nintendo has more to lose, and if it loses the hand held marcket, what else does it have? If by chance the psp flops, so what? It's not going to be the apocolypse for sony, becasue the ps3 will mop up any financial loss brought upon by the psp, although the chances of the psp failing isn't a reality.

True Sony has way more money than Nintendo but Nintendo isnt the one trying to break into the handheld market either.. They already own it, and its sony that needs to spend money trying to get in.. Nintendo isnt losing the handheld market. And you got it completly backwards, its Sony whose balls are on the line. Sony is pumping SOOO much money into the PSP. They are going to sell the consoles at a loss, do you know what that means?? HUGE risk! The PSP costs more to make than what they are selling it for, in hopes of making the money all back over a LONG period of time in software sales. Now if they cant stick it out long enough to start making money back, they will just lose all of the money they've invested, and thats ALOT of money.. And PS3 funding may suffer..
You're missing the point. NNTENDO HAS NO BACK UP! IF THEY LOSE, THEYRE GONE! The abysmal GCN sales cannot support a company. Everyone knows that the only thing keeping Nintendo alive is their handhelds. If Sony loses, oh well, just go back to making money with the PS2 and eventually the PS3.

[stej247]

not to mention their other electronic appliances, they do sell otherthings then games, you know.

[bearfart]

Nintendo is doing great finacialy.. People forget that Nintendo is also the company behind Gameboy, the most successful game unit of all time to this day.... Believe me Nintendo has a bit of money to throw around as well..

Nintendo may be financialy stable, but to compare the 2 companies would be like comparing some one who lives in beverly hills to someone who lives in harlem (sory if anyone is offended). Nintendo has more to lose, and if it loses the hand held marcket, what else does it have? If by chance the psp flops, so what? It's not going to be the apocolypse for sony, becasue the ps3 will mop up any financial loss brought upon by the psp, although the chances of the psp failing isn't a reality.

True Sony has way more money than Nintendo but Nintendo isnt the one trying to break into the handheld market either.. They already own it, and its sony that needs to spend money trying to get in.. Nintendo isnt losing the handheld market. And you got it completly backwards, its Sony whose balls are on the line. Sony is pumping SOOO much money into the PSP. They are going to sell the consoles at a loss, do you know what that means?? HUGE risk! The PSP costs more to make than what they are selling it for, in hopes of making the money all back over a LONG period of time in software sales. Now if they cant stick it out long enough to start making money back, they will just lose all of the money they've invested, and thats ALOT of money.. And PS3 funding may suffer..
You're missing the point. NNTENDO HAS NO BACK UP! IF THEY LOSE, THEYRE GONE! The abysmal GCN sales cannot support a company. Everyone knows that the only thing keeping Nintendo alive is their handhelds. If Sony loses, oh well, just go back to making money with the PS2 and eventually the PS3.

I think your underestimating Nintendo's capital.. Nintendo has probably half as much as the "Playstation" division of Sony, and thats alot. But its a moot subject because there is no way Nintendo could lose the handheld market.. Its not even really Sony's objective, they just want a piece of it.. They know they could never realisticly take over a market that another company has had a monster grip on for almost 20 years...

Nintendo has such a grip on the handheld market that its literaly impossible to "take it over".. Once you've had 100% of the market share of a specific market for 10 years straight, you could never lose it.. A competitor may try and snag a little piece of it, but never all of it... Gameboy IS handheld gaming... To outsiders of gaming, all handhelds are "gameboys".... Even when PSP comes out, a certain percentage of people will refer to it as a "gameboy"... To put it in perspective, there have been 20x more Gameboys sold worldwide than PS2s worldwide... 80% of all people that are currently in thier 20s in the US have owned a Gameboy at some point in thier life.. If you think the PSP is just going to waltz in and take over, you obviously dont have a grasp on the sheer magnitude that is "Gameboy"..

[Nuckles87]

:shock: If it ends up being $200 or less, this thing WILL be FLYING off the shevles, I GAURNTEE IT! (and almost all the time I NEVER GAURNTEE anything, lol).

Yea.

If this thing comes out for 150, itll seriously threaten nintendo's handheld dominance. The thing jus destroys the Ds in cool points and people would buy it jus because of word of mouth association.

The name playstation is dangerous.

So is the name "Gameboy".

If DS fails (which is also a stretch) they have GBA to fall back on...which frankly, is unbeatable. PSP is the Xbox of handhelds, GBA is the PS2, N-Gage QD is the Nintendo (....well...kinda), and Zodiac is the Phantom.

[sonicfreak4003]

:shock: If it ends up being $200 or less, this thing WILL be FLYING off the shevles, I GAURNTEE IT! (and almost all the time I NEVER GAURNTEE anything, lol).

Yea.

If this thing comes out for 150, itll seriously threaten nintendo's handheld dominance. The thing jus destroys the Ds in cool points and people would buy it jus because of word of mouth association.

The name playstation is dangerous.

So is the name "Gameboy".

If DS fails (which is also a stretch) they have GBA to fall back on...which frankly, is unbeatable. PSP is the Xbox of handhelds, GBA is the PS2, N-Gage QD is the Nintendo (....well...kinda), and Zodiac is the Phantom.

Actually, if you tried to compare them like that, the GBA would be more like a SNES in the current generation.

[MuzzyX]

:shock: If it ends up being $200 or less, this thing WILL be FLYING off the shevles, I GAURNTEE IT! (and almost all the time I NEVER GAURNTEE anything, lol).

Yea.

If this thing comes out for 150, itll seriously threaten nintendo's handheld dominance. The thing jus destroys the Ds in cool points and people would buy it jus because of word of mouth association.

The name playstation is dangerous.

So is the name "Gameboy".

If DS fails (which is also a stretch) they have GBA to fall back on...which frankly, is unbeatable. PSP is the Xbox of handhelds, GBA is the PS2, N-Gage QD is the Nintendo (....well...kinda), and Zodiac is the Phantom.
qd is sega = failure

[Nuckles87]

you are forgetting that most of other companies that have challenged nintendo's dominance inthe handheld department were really no name companies [exception of sega] with very little experience in the field and very, very little insurace capital. But this is sony we're talking about, a multi billion dollar company, with a huge install base of ps2 owners. and seeing as to the fact that the ps3 won't see the light of day until 2007, what else is there for sony fans to poor their money into? This is going to be a make or break year for nintendo, very similar to that faced by sega back in '99, and we all know what happend there.

And Sony DOES have experience in the handheld industry?? And, Ok sony has a huge install base of PS2 owners, so?? So by your logic all these ps2 fans will automaticly go for the PSP?? ok then, by that logic, the Gameboy install base (an even bigger group of people) should go for the DS...You've yet to make a case for the psp...

And this is nothing like sega at all.. Nintendo is doing great finacialy.. People forget that Nintendo is also the company behind Gameboy, the most successful game unit of all time to this day.... Believe me Nintendo has a bit of money to throw around as well..

You think Nintendo has a bit of money to throw around? They can't waste anything. The only thing keeping them alive is the GBA. They shouldn't be trying to innovate when their future as a hardware producer is at stake. Sony, on the other hand, has had amazing sales with the PS2, and can afford to experiment with handhelds.

And Nintendo, who's had amazing sales with GBA, can afford to innovate handhelds as well. You think one hardware failure will bring down the house of GBA?

[Nuckles87]

:shock: If it ends up being $200 or less, this thing WILL be FLYING off the shevles, I GAURNTEE IT! (and almost all the time I NEVER GAURNTEE anything, lol).

Yea.

If this thing comes out for 150, itll seriously threaten nintendo's handheld dominance. The thing jus destroys the Ds in cool points and people would buy it jus because of word of mouth association.

The name playstation is dangerous.

So is the name "Gameboy".

If DS fails (which is also a stretch) they have GBA to fall back on...which frankly, is unbeatable. PSP is the Xbox of handhelds, GBA is the PS2, N-Gage QD is the Nintendo (....well...kinda), and Zodiac is the Phantom.
qd is sega = failure


No no, cause N-Gage is still here, and will be here for sometime. NGPC represents Sega.

[Nuckles87]

:shock: If it ends up being $200 or less, this thing WILL be FLYING off the shevles, I GAURNTEE IT! (and almost all the time I NEVER GAURNTEE anything, lol).

Yea.

If this thing comes out for 150, itll seriously threaten nintendo's handheld dominance. The thing jus destroys the Ds in cool points and people would buy it jus because of word of mouth association.

The name playstation is dangerous.

So is the name "Gameboy".

If DS fails (which is also a stretch) they have GBA to fall back on...which frankly, is unbeatable. PSP is the Xbox of handhelds, GBA is the PS2, N-Gage QD is the Nintendo (....well...kinda), and Zodiac is the Phantom.

Actually, if you tried to compare them like that, the GBA would be more like a SNES in the current generation.


No, it'd be more like PS2....cause it has undisputed, unbreakable dominance of the handheld market.

[sonicfreak4003]

:shock: If it ends up being $200 or less, this thing WILL be FLYING off the shevles, I GAURNTEE IT! (and almost all the time I NEVER GAURNTEE anything, lol).

Yea.

If this thing comes out for 150, itll seriously threaten nintendo's handheld dominance. The thing jus destroys the Ds in cool points and people would buy it jus because of word of mouth association.

The name playstation is dangerous.

So is the name "Gameboy".

If DS fails (which is also a stretch) they have GBA to fall back on...which frankly, is unbeatable. PSP is the Xbox of handhelds, GBA is the PS2, N-Gage QD is the Nintendo (....well...kinda), and Zodiac is the Phantom.

Actually, if you tried to compare them like that, the GBA would be more like a SNES in the current generation.


No, it'd be more like PS2....cause it has undisputed, unbreakable dominance of the handheld market.

At this moment, yes. But seriously, do you really think it could hold it's own against the PSP? Thats like saying that if Sony failed with the PS2, then they could fall back on the PS1 because it was dominating the market at that time.

[stej247]

? It's not like that at all.

[MuzzyX]

" Thats like saying that if Sony failed with the PS2, then they could fall back on the PS1"
thats totally diff from nintendo's situation.....

[Nuckles87]

:shock: If it ends up being $200 or less, this thing WILL be FLYING off the shevles, I GAURNTEE IT! (and almost all the time I NEVER GAURNTEE anything, lol).

Yea.

If this thing comes out for 150, itll seriously threaten nintendo's handheld dominance. The thing jus destroys the Ds in cool points and people would buy it jus because of word of mouth association.

The name playstation is dangerous.

So is the name "Gameboy".

If DS fails (which is also a stretch) they have GBA to fall back on...which frankly, is unbeatable. PSP is the Xbox of handhelds, GBA is the PS2, N-Gage QD is the Nintendo (....well...kinda), and Zodiac is the Phantom.

Actually, if you tried to compare them like that, the GBA would be more like a SNES in the current generation.


No, it'd be more like PS2....cause it has undisputed, unbreakable dominance of the handheld market.

At this moment, yes. But seriously, do you really think it could hold it's own against the PSP? Thats like saying that if Sony failed with the PS2, then they could fall back on the PS1 because it was dominating the market at that time.

Well, PS1 held it's own against the graphical might of Dreamcast. And yeah, DC did start out to be quite popular.


Face it, PSP won't kill GBA. It probably won't even hurt it. The GBA has been entrenched in the market for over 15 years and has killed many strong competitors. PSP probably won't be killed off, but it most certainly won't kill the GBA.

[sonicfreak4003]

But the GBA has never faced a technological difference this big.

[Nuckles87]

So?

The GBA has litterally SATURATED the market. It has sold 10s of millions. It has sold more than Ps2. GBA cannot be ousted now, no matter how powerful the competition is.

Plus, there will be at least a $70 price difference. You can expect GBASP to lower it's price in time for the DS launch.

[ludacris06]

GBA=Super Nintendo
DS= Nintendo 64
PSP= Sony Playstation


Neither one of these systms had a conflict when it came to fans. It will be no diffrent in the handhold market. Rarely will you see a DS game appear on a PSP, or a PSP game on the DS, but you will see a GBA game on the DS. Mario, Metroid.....


You guys think that just because the PSP is a handhold, it's going to conflict with the DS. NOO!!! You guys are wrong. Nintendo never had a conflict with Sony since the deal between each other broke.


Both handholds will sell great and neither one will die out. On the other hand, the N-Gage is going to be eaten alive, because the PSP has almost all of their games, but better looking. It might be the same with the DS also.


N-Gage= Sega Genesis

[stej247]

What?! name one n-gage game that'll appear on psp? the psp can't support n-gage games b/c basically all n-gage games support n-gage arena, and online play is something that neither the ds or psp will be able to do as good as the n-gage.

[ludacris06]

What?! name one n-gage game that'll appear on psp? the psp can't support n-gage games b/c basically all n-gage games support n-gage arena, and online play is something that neither the ds or psp will be able to do as good as the n-gage.

My point is that Sony is stealing Nokia's fanbase, because games of the same genere are appearing on the PSP.

Don't get logical if you dont understand where I'm going.

[stej247]

"Don't get logical if you dont understand where I'm going."

I don't really understand what you meant by that. Anyway, each handheld will have games of the same genre, and nokia will have an edge in inovation b/c of n-gage arena.

[MuzzyX]

i think the ds has the edge, but ngage and psp beat out psp innovation, because well, the psp doesnt offer anything innovative

[Nuckles87]

UMD discs ;)

[MuzzyX]

wow, thats really going to revolutionize gaming, giving you the ability to play for only 2 hours! not onl that, youll have to deal with load times, memory card and your lazer busting! get it while its hot folks

[ludacris06]

N-Gage
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Graphics suck in comparison to PSP
Game selection sucks in comparison to PSP
Narrow screen
Bad button layout


To say the N-Gage is better than the PSP in any way is just crazy. We all know you hate Sony, but N-Gage?

[stej247]

No one is saying that the n-gage is better then the psp, and I'll be the first to admit that it is the least graphically powerful system when compard to the psp and ds. However, you have to admit that it does bring things to the table that other handhelds don't (and can't). And since It's half the price of the supposed prices of both the DS and PSP, it's not that bad of a buy.

[stej247]

Oh yea, you said that the n-gage's game selection sux incomparison to the psp's. well, considering that there is ABSOLUTLEY NO PROOF that an actual psp game exists, your an idiot to make that state ment. as of yet there has be no playable demos made available and we've yet to see any sort of game actually run on it.

[sonicfreak4003]

wow, thats really going to revolutionize gaming, giving you the ability to play for only 2 hours! not onl that, youll have to deal with load times, memory card and your lazer busting! get it while its hot folks

Well, seeing as how it can hold over a dozen times as much data, yes it can, by allowing developers to create much bigger, richer worlds.

[ludacris06]

No one is saying that the n-gage is better then the psp, and I'll be the first to admit that it is the least graphically powerful system when compard to the psp and ds. However, you have to admit that it does bring things to the table that other handhelds don't (and can't). And since It's half the price of the supposed prices of both the DS and PSP, it's not that bad of a buy.


Of corse its going to bring other things to the table. It's a Cell Phone mixed with a Game Boy Color! Games alone, the N-Gage is a flop. My guess is that Nokia just added the cell phone to fall back on just in case it does flop, and it looks like it's going to be doing that.

[veterangamer]

you are forgetting that most of other companies that have challenged nintendo's dominance inthe handheld department were really no name companies [exception of sega] with very little experience in the field and very, very little insurace capital. But this is sony we're talking about, a multi billion dollar company, with a huge install base of ps2 owners. and seeing as to the fact that the ps3 won't see the light of day until 2007, what else is there for sony fans to poor their money into? This is going to be a make or break year for nintendo, very similar to that faced by sega back in '99, and we all know what happend there.

And Sony DOES have experience in the handheld industry?? And, Ok sony has a huge install base of PS2 owners, so?? So by your logic all these ps2 fans will automaticly go for the PSP?? ok then, by that logic, the Gameboy install base (an even bigger group of people) should go for the DS...You've yet to make a case for the psp...

And this is nothing like sega at all.. Nintendo is doing great finacialy.. People forget that Nintendo is also the company behind Gameboy, the most successful game unit of all time to this day.... Believe me Nintendo has a bit of money to throw around as well..

You think Nintendo has a bit of money to throw around? They can't waste anything. The only thing keeping them alive is the GBA. They shouldn't be trying to innovate when their future as a hardware producer is at stake. Sony, on the other hand, has had amazing sales with the PS2, and can afford to experiment with handhelds.

And Nintendo, who's had amazing sales with GBA, can afford to innovate handhelds as well. You think one hardware failure will bring down the house of GBA?

Hmmmmm good point. Hell Nintendo had Virtual Boy, it failed pathetically, and in the long run didn't even put a dent in Nintendo's handheld dominance.

[sonicfreak4003]

you are forgetting that most of other companies that have challenged nintendo's dominance inthe handheld department were really no name companies [exception of sega] with very little experience in the field and very, very little insurace capital. But this is sony we're talking about, a multi billion dollar company, with a huge install base of ps2 owners. and seeing as to the fact that the ps3 won't see the light of day until 2007, what else is there for sony fans to poor their money into? This is going to be a make or break year for nintendo, very similar to that faced by sega back in '99, and we all know what happend there.

And Sony DOES have experience in the handheld industry?? And, Ok sony has a huge install base of PS2 owners, so?? So by your logic all these ps2 fans will automaticly go for the PSP?? ok then, by that logic, the Gameboy install base (an even bigger group of people) should go for the DS...You've yet to make a case for the psp...

And this is nothing like sega at all.. Nintendo is doing great finacialy.. People forget that Nintendo is also the company behind Gameboy, the most successful game unit of all time to this day.... Believe me Nintendo has a bit of money to throw around as well..

You think Nintendo has a bit of money to throw around? They can't waste anything. The only thing keeping them alive is the GBA. They shouldn't be trying to innovate when their future as a hardware producer is at stake. Sony, on the other hand, has had amazing sales with the PS2, and can afford to experiment with handhelds.

And Nintendo, who's had amazing sales with GBA, can afford to innovate handhelds as well. You think one hardware failure will bring down the house of GBA?

Hmmmmm good point. Hell Nintendo had Virtual Boy, it failed pathetically, and in the long run didn't even put a dent in Nintendo's handheld dominance.

This was because it had the SNES which was doing good at the time...not the case now.

[Nuckles87]

No, it was cause GB had undisputed dominance of the market. That still is the case.

[stej247]

Games alone, the N-Gage is a flop. My guess is that Nokia just added the cell phone to fall back on just in case it does flop, and it looks like it's going to be doing that.

games alone it can do more than the psp. the online feature is going to mean EVERYTHING nowadays. N-gage is the only handhheld that's built for online play.

[magicdc11401]

from stej247:

"games alone it can do more than the psp. the online feature is going to mean EVERYTHING nowadays. N-gage is the only handhheld that's built for online play."

From what I've seen of N-Gage's Online Arena, the best is only two-player online play (through wireless).The only other thing is just posting your scores online for others to see, but that doesn't impress me at all.Most N-Gage games aren't very good however (example: Red Faction), with only a few being good but not exceptional (Tony Hawk's Pro Skater, which I can get for better and cheaper on PS1).To be honest, N-Gage's Online Arena doesn't seem to be very impressive at all.When no games are really all that playable in my opinion, what justifies the price tag? Not very much, apparently.Not even online play really satisfies me with the N-Gage.To me, it's just Nokia's very poor attempt to cash in on the cell phones that "do it all" category.

[stej247]

If you'd take the time to look at what some of the soon to be released n-gage games bring to the table online wise, you'd understand what i mean.