percentage, cmon people.. really

[TONIC]

correct me if im wrong... this guy says he wont buy my bearclaws 14% ground 10/10.. because its not 50% ground... now, why would you want 50% ground in the first place, i mean sure.. your going to do a lot of damage to a lightning based enemy but, what if you were fighting an ice or fire based enemy.. wouldnt you do more damage with a 14% ground bearclaw 10/10 versus a 50%.. and yes i allready know people are going to say.. well if im fighting an ice based enemy then i would use my 50% fire weapon.. but what if you didnt have a fire based weapon, and even if you do have a fire based weapon, id rather fight the ice based enemy w/ the 10/10 14% ground bearclaws versus lets say an 18% to 28% fire based ran misaki 9/9.. because honestly, i think you would do more damage with the bearclaws

thoughts anyone :idea:

[Iluvatar]

He's just upset you didn't glitch it to 50%.

[Snick]

I think people should atleast make an effort to use the right element, considering how cheap 30%+ 8 and 9* weapons are.

Now, most people whom claim to really care about all 46%+ really don't in practice.

[Mortalis]

EDIT: Yeah, nevermind. Didn't read it fully. Haha <.<

[senior el roboto]

you = fail.

your goin to own more than 1 weapon. and it will prob be stronger then those bear claws. also those bear claws are garbage unless they are 50%.

[Mortalis]

you = fail.

your goin to own more than 1 weapon. and it will prob be stronger then those bear claws. also those bear claws are garbage unless they are 50%.

I thought the rule was trash unless it's 30%+? Gah.

[El Regrs]

Percentages are damage multipliers. Very nice to have, but not the be all and end all. To say it's trash just because it's not 50% is a very ignorant statement.
50% will make a good weapon awesome, but 10% takes nothing away from a weapon.

[senior el roboto]

Percentages are damage multipliers. Very nice to have, but not the be all and end all. To say it's trash just because it's not 50% is a very ignorant statement.
50% will make a good weapon awesome, but 10% takes nothing away from a weapon.

im not sayin that a 10% is trash. just bear claws are. u had a golden chance to get 50%'s with em but you didnt. why buy 14% when u can just save a little more money and buy 50%'s. makes more sense this way

[El Regrs]

Percentages are damage multipliers. Very nice to have, but not the be all and end all. To say it's trash just because it's not 50% is a very ignorant statement.
50% will make a good weapon awesome, but 10% takes nothing away from a weapon.

im not sayin that a 10% is trash. just bear claws are. u had a golden chance to get 50%'s with em but you didnt. why buy 14% when u can just save a little more money and buy 50%'s. makes more sense this way

Why because he didn't glitch them? That's retarded.

[Mortalis]

Percentages are damage multipliers. Very nice to have, but not the be all and end all. To say it's trash just because it's not 50% is a very ignorant statement.
50% will make a good weapon awesome, but 10% takes nothing away from a weapon.

im not sayin that a 10% is trash. just bear claws are. u had a golden chance to get 50%'s with em but you didnt. why buy 14% when u can just save a little more money and buy 50%'s. makes more sense this way

I believe a handful of glitchers just got banned. So saying a chance to glitch something is a 'golden chance' is just out right stupidity. Thanks, try again.

[krisslanza]

Bah I mean... If I could use them I'd buy them. Like I care about %'s. >_>

[TONIC]

im not sayin that a 10% is trash. just bear claws are. u had a golden chance to get 50%'s with em but you didnt. why buy 14% when u can just save a little more money and buy 50%'s. makes more sense this way[/quote]

ya right.. your not just saving a little more money try a 7-10 mil $ diffrence.. and on top of that.. do you really think you can get a 50% 10/10 :lol: didnt think so.. id rather have the 14% 10/10 then a 50% 0/5

[FFDUDE]

Besides, 50% is only good against 1 ele, if you like to grind your weaps for the stat bonuses then it really shouldn't matter what % you have seeing how it will only affect 2 different types of enemies.

[krisslanza]

Besides, 50% is only good against 1 ele, if you like to grind your weaps for the stat bonuses then it really shouldn't matter what % you have seeing how it will only affect 2 different types of enemies.

Pretty much.
We should all just make neutral weapons and grind them to 10. <_<

[El Regrs]

Besides, 50% is only good against 1 ele, if you like to grind your weaps for the stat bonuses then it really shouldn't matter what % you have seeing how it will only affect 2 different types of enemies.

Pretty much.
We should all just make neutral weapons and grind them to 10. <_<

Green = noob. 'tis a law of nature.
Besides I like my pretty colours! ... that and my grinds always fail beyond 2.

[senior el roboto]

you would do more dmg with high % than you would with max grinds. proven fact. it would be the same with a psycho wand 10/10, with a lvl 1 pa. pointless

[Mortalis]

Besides, 50% is only good against 1 ele, if you like to grind your weaps for the stat bonuses then it really shouldn't matter what % you have seeing how it will only affect 2 different types of enemies.

Pretty much.
We should all just make neutral weapons and grind them to 10. <_<

Green = noob. 'tis a law of nature.
Besides I like my pretty colours! ... that and my grinds always fail beyond 2.

Are your weapons under 30%? Thats probably why. :/

[krisslanza]

Besides, 50% is only good against 1 ele, if you like to grind your weaps for the stat bonuses then it really shouldn't matter what % you have seeing how it will only affect 2 different types of enemies.

Pretty much.
We should all just make neutral weapons and grind them to 10. <_<

Green = noob. 'tis a law of nature.
Besides I like my pretty colours! ... that and my grinds always fail beyond 2.

Well at least I don't have to change weapons if a enemy matches my element! :x

[El Regrs]

you would do more dmg with high % than you would with max grinds. proven fact. it would be the same with a psycho wand 10/10, with a lvl 1 pa. pointless

You'd do more damage AGAINST ONE ELEMENT, and LESS damage vs. the same one. Meanwhile grinds give you more damage against everything.

[senior el roboto]

my friend has an entire set of 50% bearclaws. ultimate set up. good no matter what the enemy. and yes 7 mil aint that much. well not to me ne way. i will spend it on a great weapon. already ahve and will do it agian if neccessary.

[senior el roboto]

you would do more dmg with high % than you would with max grinds. proven fact. it would be the same with a psycho wand 10/10, with a lvl 1 pa. pointless

You'd do more damage AGAINST ONE ELEMENT, and LESS damage vs. the same one. Meanwhile grinds give you more damage against everything.

well im not goin to use that 1 weapon the entire time. i will set myself up to where i can fight whatever im up aginst. but like i said earlier, if you just use that 1 weapon to fight everything, you just wasted your money.

[senior el roboto]

Percentages are damage multipliers. Very nice to have, but not the be all and end all. To say it's trash just because it's not 50% is a very ignorant statement.
50% will make a good weapon awesome, but 10% takes nothing away from a weapon.

im not sayin that a 10% is trash. just bear claws are. u had a golden chance to get 50%'s with em but you didnt. why buy 14% when u can just save a little more money and buy 50%'s. makes more sense this way

Why because he didn't glitch them? That's retarded.

no its not but what i do find retarded is when a weapon auto fails. either because you lost power or rollback or ur dics locked up. that right there is messed up.

[Za'leshea]

A max grinded low % weap is something I'd buy. Otherwise, no thanks.

[krisslanza]

Yeah I'd take a low % max grind over a high % one... Since the high % I couldn't use against the matching element.

Where as I'd use my Neiclaw even against Fire enemies! : D (Like 14% Fire means much)

[D3MON2]

Bear claws suck but i guess ur 10^ are good but im pretty sure there are better claws than that :?

[Mortalis]

Avatar thievery. :(

[Zakeri]

what if you were fighting an ice or fire based enemy.. wouldnt you do more damage with a 14% ground bearclaw 10/10 versus a 50%..

Actually, you would be doing roughly the same.

Backwards Damage Percentage only works if you're using the same element as the enemy.

That said, a 50% Really is a lot better than a 14%. Even with the fact that Percents are only 3/4th as effective as Pre-AoI, that's still a 25% difference (35 - 10)

And if you're fighting a Ground Element, you can still always just change to another element. As long as the guy has an element other than Ground, then there's no reason not to opt for a 50% Ground weapon as oppose to a 14%.

Although, you could also advertise to people that your weapon is all around effective. 14% won't make too much of a difference against Ground enemies.

[the dub]

correct me if im wrong... this guy says he wont buy my bearclaws 14% ground 10/10.. because its not 50% ground... now, why would you want 50% ground in the first place, i mean sure.. your going to do a lot of damage to a lightning based enemy but, what if you were fighting an ice or fire based enemy.. wouldnt you do more damage with a 14% ground bearclaw 10/10 versus a 50%.. and yes i allready know people are going to say.. well if im fighting an ice based enemy then i would use my 50% fire weapon.. but what if you didnt have a fire based weapon, and even if you do have a fire based weapon, id rather fight the ice based enemy w/ the 10/10 14% ground bearclaws versus lets say an 18% to 28% fire based ran misaki 9/9.. because honestly, i think you would do more damage with the bearclaws

thoughts anyone :idea:

Trying to justify using a low percentage weapon over a high one is quite ridiculous. It is way too easy to make decent percentage weapons of all elements. How much effort does it take to remember the creatures that spawn on whatever mission you are running and set up a pallet accordingly? You also wouldn't do more damage with those bear claws than 28% fire ran misaki's 0/10, forget about 9/9.

[harushionhoshi]

My FF who's about level 95 uses a palette of 46% A ranks. I completly outdamage the majority of 120 players with 10-30% S rank palette's. I don't buy less than 38% now as a general rule of thumb, maybe even 42% if the item is common enough. If this is elitist sorry for trying to clear missions quickly I guess.

[WOOD]

My FF who's about level 95 uses a palette of 46% A ranks. I completly outdamage the majority of 120 players with 10-30% S rank palette's. I don't buy less than 38% now as a general rule of thumb, maybe even 42% if the item is common enough. If this is elitist sorry for trying to clear missions quickly I guess.

Agreed. The concept of opposite element appears to escape the incoming generation of players. The one element per weapon type is definately not the way to go. Why spend 20 mil on a Kan Yu with low % when you can have a very good % set of Caliburns?
Usefulness > Coolness, Smashing Mother Brain with a lightning Zagza = not cool at all :oops:
Now that said, high % Kan Yu on opposite element = very cool :D

[Mortalis]

My FF who's about level 95 uses a palette of 46% A ranks. I completly outdamage the majority of 120 players with 10-30% S rank palette's. I don't buy less than 38% now as a general rule of thumb, maybe even 42% if the item is common enough. If this is elitist sorry for trying to clear missions quickly I guess.

Is the idea of the game to out damage people? I thought it was a team effort.

[kdog024]

mmm id buy it for 15 mil max, just because its bear claws which are even stronger than yamata-misaki and the amazing PP and the difficulty of grinding S rank up to 10/10. itll be a useful claw for overall elements.

grats on 10/10

[babyslick99]

correct me if im wrong... this guy says he wont buy my bearclaws 14% ground 10/10.. because its not 50% ground... now, why would you want 50% ground in the first place, i mean sure.. your going to do a lot of damage to a lightning based enemy but, what if you were fighting an ice or fire based enemy.. wouldnt you do more damage with a 14% ground bearclaw 10/10 versus a 50%.. and yes i allready know people are going to say.. well if im fighting an ice based enemy then i would use my 50% fire weapon.. but what if you didnt have a fire based weapon, and even if you do have a fire based weapon, id rather fight the ice based enemy w/ the 10/10 14% ground bearclaws versus lets say an 18% to 28% fire based ran misaki 9/9.. because honestly, i think you would do more damage with the bearclaws

thoughts anyone :idea:
lol that would be me..didnt think you would make a thread about what i said...but let me clarify didnt mean to dis your weapon...but i personally like high percentage weapons and i think next to skills high percentage weapons are very important for Ff as you want to be doing high damage...and the whole thing about y would i want a 50% ground bearclaw i wouldnt personally i would get an A-rank 50% ground if i wanted that elemental and then have a different element for the bearclawas...an i always carry mulitple weapons with varying elements typically 6srank 30% and up and 6 A-ranks 40-50%..so i wouldnt have that problem you were reffering to with the what if it was a ice based enemey or whatever...but neway like i said thats just me...congrats on your 10/10 hope they sell but seriously dont take offense to what i said..i just dont prefer low percentages

[Poncho_Jr]

Tis the reason why being a techer comws with benefits. Make your won element!!! 12% max. Once they have the update to raise the Wand to 24 % and the Rod to 38%, will be a day in heaven.

[Tommy 1]

Bear claws suck but i guess ur 10^ are good but im pretty sure there are better claws than that :?
personally i hate bearclaws but they are really powerfull and out damage anything out there even when they are not grinded, put some grinds on that and i dont see any claws putting out more damage

[babyslick99]

Bear claws suck but i guess ur 10^ are good but im pretty sure there are better claws than that :?
personally i hate bearclaws but they are really powerfull and out damage anything out there even when they are not grinded, put some grinds on that and i dont see any claws putting out more damage
yea same here they look like mittens to me..but isnt the yamata-misaki plus the yamata-senba suppose to be strongest twin claw out atm?

[desolant11]

Besides, 50% is only good against 1 ele, if you like to grind your weaps for the stat bonuses then it really shouldn't matter what % you have seeing how it will only affect 2 different types of enemies.

Pretty much.
We should all just make neutral weapons and grind them to 10. <_<

Think of all the PM space this would open up for Truffles and Berries. Omega Acidz and stuffs.

[Zakeri]

Tis the reason why being a techer comws with benefits. Make your won element!!! 12% max. Once they have the update to raise the Wand to 24 % and the Rod to 38%, will be a day in heaven.

Especially since the PA's Natural Element is suppose to make up for the missing 38% That Melee gets to use. woot double damage. :lol:




Besides, 50% is only good against 1 ele, if you like to grind your weaps for the stat bonuses then it really shouldn't matter what % you have seeing how it will only affect 2 different types of enemies.

Pretty much.
We should all just make neutral weapons and grind them to 10. <_<

Think of all the PM space this would open up for Truffles and Berries. Omega Acidz and stuffs.

That's useless. Aren't we getting a new item that boosts PM Storage up to double?

[desolant11]

Tis the reason why being a techer comws with benefits. Make your won element!!! 12% max. Once they have the update to raise the Wand to 24 % and the Rod to 38%, will be a day in heaven.

Especially since the PA's Natural Element is suppose to make up for the missing 38% That Melee gets to use. woot double damage. :lol:




Besides, 50% is only good against 1 ele, if you like to grind your weaps for the stat bonuses then it really shouldn't matter what % you have seeing how it will only affect 2 different types of enemies.

Pretty much.
We should all just make neutral weapons and grind them to 10. <_<

Think of all the PM space this would open up for Truffles and Berries. Omega Acidz and stuffs.

That's useless. Aren't we getting a new item that boosts PM Storage up to double?

Yeah we are.
I was just joking. Really, it's insane to have only one of each weapon in neutral element.

[Dramallama]

The reason for this is any cheap 26-30% A rank twin claw will outdamage your bearclaws. And they cost what, 100k?

Peeple who want to be moderately effective only use opposite element weapons. It's free damage, there is no reason not to.

[bloodflowers]

you would do more dmg with high % than you would with max grinds. proven fact. it would be the same with a psycho wand 10/10, with a lvl 1 pa. pointless

You'd do more damage AGAINST ONE ELEMENT, and LESS damage vs. the same one. Meanwhile grinds give you more damage against everything.

I feel dirty if I use the wrong element. Ashamed.

[Mikaga]

I wouldn't use high-element weapons against the wrong element anyway!
I would certainly hope not! >.< does that even need saying?

[Snoochies]

Agreed. The concept of opposite element appears to escape the incoming generation of players. The one element per weapon type is definately not the way to go. Why spend 20 mil on a Kan Yu with low % when you can have a very good % set of Caliburns?
Usefulness > Coolness, Smashing Mother Brain with a lightning Zagza = not cool at all :oops:
Now that said, high % Kan Yu on opposite element = very cool :D

This is exactly what I was going to post. S-ranked weapons are cool, but not with a low percentage. I'd rather have all 44% or higher Buccaneers than one decent Blackheart. On my Fortefighter, I have every fighting weapon of every element, 9* or higher, 38% or higher (many 50%'s), and it really didn't cost much. There's no reason to use a ground Bearclaw on a ground creature. That's what Lightning claws are for.
On a second note, another thing that bothers me is people who use only S-ranks because they "look cool." A pallette of 10-16% crap is not cool. I want damage.....not looks. 3 mil for a 10% Fire Svaltus Sword or 3 mil for a 50% Fire Caliburn, give me the Caliburn. People are way too Calvin Klein about their weapons.

[harushionhoshi]

My FF who's about level 95 uses a palette of 46% A ranks. I completly outdamage the majority of 120 players with 10-30% S rank palette's. I don't buy less than 38% now as a general rule of thumb, maybe even 42% if the item is common enough. If this is elitist sorry for trying to clear missions quickly I guess.

Is the idea of the game to out damage people? I thought it was a team effort.

I like to play to collect rares, so I like to finish missions as fast as possible because most of the good stuff is in the end boxes. Each person plays the game for different reasons.

[l KINGZ l]

as some one that collects 50% A ranks and S ranks i wont be rude to those who use 10% ect maybe they are not hard core players and only play for fun. ever since i started with high % weps i could never see myself using a low % as i would feel i was not hiting to my potential 50% are maximum damage to me and i like knowing i can hit the most out of the wepons i use. and for those that use ground on ice its a silly thing to do as wepons in the A rank catagory are cheap now even 42's so i personlay would never buy a 10/10 14% bearclaw. never...........

[Odins Hammer]

Percentages are damage multipliers. Very nice to have, but not the be all and end all. To say it's trash just because it's not 50% is a very ignorant statement.
50% will make a good weapon awesome, but 10% takes nothing away from a weapon.

im not sayin that a 10% is trash. just bear claws are. u had a golden chance to get 50%'s with em but you didnt. why buy 14% when u can just save a little more money and buy 50%'s. makes more sense this way

who care about 50%, bear claws are ugly trash.

i dotn wear a wep unless it at least looks good. stat nuts can running around from the extra 50dmg a hit. whoop de doo.

reminds me of all those nubs in the damn lobbies screamign out look at my pallet. arrghrgh


OH hush

[skDeath11]

#1.A 14% anything I dont care how many grinds you have is GARBAGE.

#2. There are many 50% bearclaws so stop being cheap.

Thats what I dont get about players nowadys. You only care about S ranks. I would take a 50% ran misaki over a 14% bear claw any day!!! To all of you players running around with a whole pallette of S ranks where none of them are above 20% people are laughing at you!!!

[TONIC]

[quote="Dramallama"]The reason for this is any cheap 26-30% A rank twin claw will outdamage your bearclaws. And they cost what, 100k?

LOL :lol: YA F---ING RIGHT... A RANK TWIN CLAW DO MORE DAMAGE THEN MY 10/10 BEARCLAWS.. LOL.. I DONT THINK SO DUDE..

[TONIC]

#1.A 14% anything I dont care how many grinds you have is GARBAGE.

#2. There are many 50% bearclaws so stop being cheap.

Thats what I dont get about players nowadys. You only care about S ranks. I would take a 50% ran misaki over a 14% bear claw any day!!! To all of you players running around with a whole pallette of S ranks where none of them are above 20% people are laughing at you!!!

people laugh at you because your hung like a hamster lol :lol:

[Odins Hammer]

#1.A 14% anything I dont care how many grinds you have is GARBAGE.

#2. There are many 50% bearclaws so stop being cheap.

Thats what I dont get about players nowadys. You only care about S ranks. I would take a 50% ran misaki over a 14% bear claw any day!!! To all of you players running around with a whole pallette of S ranks where none of them are above 20% people are laughing at you!!!

people laugh at you because your hung like a hamster lol :lol:


um, yeah man total exaggeration on that one. the only people that would do that are the ones we blacklist because they are spamming lobbies with thier supposed superiority complex. weaksauce at its finest.


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[l KINGZ l]

my 8* twin moatoob claws 10/10 50% ground more att than the 11*
will out damage your claws.

also if it were to be 30% 10/10 it will still out damage it. put it this way your bear claws aint werth nothing unless 50% sorry :(

[Elnendil]

Uh, Elementals matter. You know why?

I should probably get some stupid joke nickname like "The Math Failure" or something because I keep having to put up numbarz here.

I'll use myself since i'm supposedly the weakest person in the game. I'll post pix of my stats and calculate a 10/10 Ran-Misaki Neutral vs a 0/10 Ran-Misaki with 50% element. IS THAT OKAY? As a matter of fact, it isn't.

My Stats: http://tinyurl.com/38r97l

Grand Neutral: (820 + 120 + 438)/5 = 275
Idiot who cared about %s: (820 + 120 + 386)/5 = 265 * 1.375 = 364

Want more proof with Renzan?

Ownage Neutral: 3530 + 4290 + 5630 = 13450 Damage
%s that don't matter: 4804 + 5678 + 7452 = 17934 Damage

You got me.