Why the new model..

[AwesomeTails]

[In the trailer you see all the models following up each other. And than the last one comes,


ugly as hell...]

Ow well, i also saw the running animation looked like sonic rivals..., the game actually looked and moved like sonic rivals.

If that is the case... bad sega :@

[beckyboc]

Aww... It's not that bad! If they just look of Sonic 3 and Knuckles, capture the game style and add nice stages into the game, this game should do quite well. So far, it looks great! (Well IMO)

[AwesomeTails]

I cant help but to think this game is going to be really bad..

[FireKingX]

I cant help but to think this game is going to be really bad..

If you only care about the model, then you don't really care about the series in my opinion.

[AwesomeTails]

No that's not really my point. See it like this.

They mentioned so many times that this game was being made for all those classic fans.
Classic fans reunited and started speculating and they seemed to agree on how they wanted the game to be. So we saw what all those "retro***s" wanted right?

But sonicteam actually didn't. They never made this game for those fans, since it is not what the fans wanted.

It's 3d, sonic model looks really bad and animates stiff. It takes away a whole lot retro which for me basically means this game is not made for retrofans, maybe they began with that idea, but ended up making it for modern

Edit: Or you know what, i think sonicteam just sucks

[FireKingX]

No that's not really my point. See it like this.

They mentioned so many times that this game was being made for all those classic fans.
Classic fans reunited and started speculating and they seemed to agree on how they wanted the game to be. So we saw what all those "retro***s" wanted right?

But sonicteam actually didn't. They never made this game for those fans, since it is not what the fans wanted.

It's 3d, sonic model looks really bad and animates stiff. It takes away a whole lot retro which for me basically means this game is not made for retrofans, maybe they began with that idea, but ended up making it for modern

Edit: Or you know what, i think sonicteam just sucks

Every retro Sonic sequel had the same basic gameplay but with added twists and improved visuals. I don't see how this isn't in line with the other Sonic games. Only thing I agree with the is the stiff animation.

Also, it's 3D but the gameplay is STLL 2D. If they used the same old Sonic sprites, you would not be complaining but then others would call them lazy and say it's a "Rehash".

[Kakaboll]

It's pretty much what I expected the game to be. A game similar to the classics with a few modern changes.

That being said I don't like the animation for the model at all. It looks really stiff and I don't understand why they insist on removing the circle animation for sonics legs when he goes fast.

If it plays like the old games I won't care though, the gameplay is more important. However the physics seem a bit strange as well, it looks like Sonic speeds up when he moves up the hill.

[FireKingX]

It's pretty much what I expected the game to be. A game similar to the classics with a few modern changes.

That being said I don't like the animation for the model at all. It looks really stiff and I don't understand why they insist on removing the circle animation for sonics legs when he goes fast.

If it plays like the old games I won't care though, the gameplay is more important. However the physics seem a bit strange as well, it looks like Sonic speeds up when he moves up the hill.

I assume the game is still in early stages because Sonic ran right through the crab badnik.

[Solaris Paradox]

Oh, whine because they used a design that people under the age of 20 can appreciate.

I'm optimistic because it looks like they're using the Genesis style of gameplay rather than the Rush style of gameplay, which is awesome. Heck, the idea of an honest-to-god classic Sonic game in current-gen HD with 3D sprite-models makes me a bit giddy, to be honest.

[AwesomeTails]

Every retro Sonic sequel had the same basic gameplay but with added twists and improved visuals. I don't see how this isn't in line with the other Sonic games. Only thing I agree with the is the stiff animation.

Also, it's 3D but the gameplay is STLL 2D. If they used the same old Sonic sprites, you would not be complaining but then others would call them lazy and say it's a "Rehash".

So why can't we see new 2d good looking sprites. Is that really so hard to make?

Fireking, watch the trailer and just see how it gets more awesome from 1 to 3. It gets better and better. And the last one actually does everything wrong... man that logo just looks so bad.

[Kakaboll]

I assume the game is still in early stages because Sonic ran right through the crab badnik.

I hope that's the case. But I've been disappointed before so it's hard to avoid becoming nervous and expecting the worst.

[Starlight Rage Zone]

I think people didn't want to see this:

Sonic the Hedgehog 4 - Episode 1, Sonic Rush 3.

I don't mind the new twist on gameplay but please...make the 3D models detailed enough so I can see how they react if they are hurt or falling.

[Solaris Paradox]

So why can't we see new 2d good looking sprites. Is that really so hard to make?

No, but it's also not the effect they were going for.

You retro geeks and your nostalgia goggles... listen, THIS IS NOT MEGA MAN 9. Accept it, live with it, and starting thinking of the blasted gameplay.

[Myeou]

[In the trailer you see all the models following up each other. And than the last one comes,


ugly as hell...]

Ow well, i also saw the running animation looked like sonic rivals..., the game actually looked and moved like sonic rivals.

If that is the case... bad sega :@


if you dont like go and play sonic- next-gen if you think its better.

[FireKingX]

if you dont like go and play sonic- next-gen if you think its better.

Now now, don't wish bad things on people :p

[Gamerscredo-M]

if you dont like go and play sonic- next-gen if you think its better.

and of course if U dare ...:D

[matteus]

I think AwesomeTails comments are spot on this game has always been quoted as being the one for the old school fans... if thats the case then why did they go with crappy 3d rendering? The Sonic 2 HD (S2HD) Project is a prime example of the style in which the game should have been done..

[FireKingX]

I think AwesomeTails comments are spot on this game has always been quoted as being the one for the old school fans... if thats the case then why did they go with crappy 3d rendering? The Sonic 2 HD (S2HD) Project is a prime example of the style in which the game should have been done..

3D graphics, 2D gameplay, why is this still a complaint?

No, he definitely isn't "the one".

[Solaris Paradox]

"For the old-school fans" doesn't mean "ONLY for the old-school fans."

Think about that for a little while.

[matteus]

"For the old-school fans" doesn't mean "ONLY for the old-school fans."

Think about that for a little while.

why bother mentioning them at all then?


3D graphics, 2D gameplay, why is this still a complaint?

No, he definitely isn't "the one".

Can't judge the gameplay yet sadly but its definately looking to be on the right track :)

[FireKingX]

why bother mentioning them at all then?

I'm a classic Sonic purist because they were practically my childhood.

I can say that I loved what they showed and can't wait for more. So I agree when they say it's for old school fans.

[Solaris Paradox]

why bother mentioning them at all then?

Because Sega's marketing reps are too dense to realize that the old-school fans are selfish little berks who think of nothing and no one but themselves, if this comment is anything to go by.

Seriously, just think about it. Why shouldn't a new-school gamer be able to enjoy this, too? Why should it be all about the old codgers who grew up with the 'hog? Why not give the kids of this generation a chance to grow up with the same kind of Sonic-y goodness we knew when we were kids? Why not let some people who maybe missed out on classic Sonic to experience it for the first time in this generation through Sonic 4?

None of those ideas sounds pleasant to you, at all?

[AwesomeTails]

No, but it's also not the effect they were going for.

You retro geeks and your nostalgia goggles... listen, THIS IS NOT MEGA MAN 9. Accept it, live with it, and starting thinking of the blasted gameplay.

Stop the nostalgia geek blabla comments. This is soms serious stuff. Its not about just the green eyes or the model or animation. When you watch the trailer. Its so obvious how bad the last part is.

And this game was meant for us nostalgia***s yes. And i'm so sure this its not even close to what nostalgia***s imagined it to be. It strays too far of what i expected.... It's coming out summer so they could still fix alot, but i still don't like the logo+model

[matteus]

I'm a classic Sonic purist because they were practically my childhood.

I can say that I loved what they showed and can't wait for more. So I agree when they say it's for old school fans.

It's certainly a step in the right direction! I just wish they'd not gone with 3D

[Palas]

Because Sega's marketing reps are too dense to realize that the old-school fans are selfish little berks who think of nothing and no one but themselves, if this comment is anything to go by.

Seriously, just think about it. Why shouldn't a new-school gamer be able to enjoy this, too? Why should it be all about the old codgers who grew up with the 'hog? Why not give the kids of this generation a chance to grow up with the same kind of Sonic-y goodness we knew when we were kids? Why not let some people who maybe missed out on classic Sonic to experience it for the first time in this generation through Sonic 4?

None of those ideas sounds pleasant to you, at all?

You have a point, but still this game was announced as the return of classic Sonic, and the hype was all built over the classic features. I mean, probably no kids of this generation heard of it.

Besides, this is download-only. I'm not complaining, I'm just saying that it means it's not supposed to attract thousands of new costumers.

[Dix]

Why shouldn't a new-school gamer be able to enjoy this, too? Why should it be all about the old codgers who grew up with the 'hog?

This of course would mean that "new-school" gamers wouldn't enjoy the old Genesis games, and I don't believe that is true.

[Solaris Paradox]

Stop the nostalgia geek blabla comments. This is soms serious stuff.

Vidya games r srs bsns, yo.


Its not about just the green eyes or the model or animation. When you watch the trailer. Its so obvious how bad the last part is.

No, it's not. In fact, it's so not obvious that I'm seeing more people who were impressed by it than put off.


And this game was meant for us nostalgia***s yes. And i'm so sure this is not even close to what nostalgia***s imagined it to be. It strays too far of what i expected.... It's coming out summer so they could still fix alot, but i still don't like the logo+model

The logo may well see a change, who knows if they even mean this to be the final version? The model you may have to live with. Personally, I'll have no problem with that--despite being a Genesis baby who grew up with Pudgy Sonic, I quite like the modern design when it isn't hyper-tall like in '06 or hyper-glossy like in Heroes and Shadow.

[AwesomeTails]

Well i like your optimistic mindstate.

It was just how i felt after watching the trailer. I mean the whole retrofans have been mentioning what they would want to see in the needlemouse and it's like sonicteam has no idea. It would be nice if they did for once... Sumo digital has and look how enthousiastic everyone is.

They haven't promised anything false so we knew what to expect. Plus they gave us even more than that.

Sonicteam blows :(

[Solaris Paradox]

Well i like your optimistic mindstate.

It was just how i felt after watching the trailer. I mean the whole retrofans have been mentioning what they would want to see in the needlemouse and it's like sonicteam has no idea. It would be nice if they did for once... Sumo digital has and look how enthousiastic everyone is.

They haven't promised anything false so we knew what to expect. Plus they gave us even more than that.

Sonicteam blows :(

They don't blow, they just happen to have one of the two most irritating, whiny, divided fanbases in the gaming community.

(The other is the Final Fantasy fandom.)

[matteus]

Because Sega's marketing reps are too dense to realize that the old-school fans are selfish little berks who think of nothing and no one but themselves, if this comment is anything to go by.

Seriously, just think about it. Why shouldn't a new-school gamer be able to enjoy this, too? Why should it be all about the old codgers who grew up with the 'hog? Why not give the kids of this generation a chance to grow up with the same kind of Sonic-y goodness we knew when we were kids? Why not let some people who maybe missed out on classic Sonic to experience it for the first time in this generation through Sonic 4?

None of those ideas sounds pleasant to you, at all?

Of course it does you plonker! I'm not selfish! I'd just hoped for high def sprites over 3d and that is all :)

[MrFranklin]

No that's not really my point. See it like this.

They mentioned so many times that this game was being made for all those classic fans.
Classic fans reunited and started speculating and they seemed to agree on how they wanted the game to be. So we saw what all those "retro***s" wanted right?

But sonicteam actually didn't. They never made this game for those fans, since it is not what the fans wanted.

It's 3d, sonic model looks really bad and animates stiff. It takes away a whole lot retro which for me basically means this game is not made for retrofans, maybe they began with that idea, but ended up making it for modern

Edit: Or you know what, i think sonicteam just sucks

Get lost, I'm a Sonic classic fan and I didn't care for them using the old Sonic design - that would be a dumb marketting decision. It's the gameplay thats most important - they've already gone to massive lengths to restore the look of the original games. Besides which people are way way too hung up on it. If Sega think there is such a heavy demand for classic Sonic they'll just make him an unlockable design or release it as a DLC addon.

[Solaris Paradox]

Of course it does you plonker! I'm not selfish! I'd just hoped for high def sprites over 3d and that is all :)

Yeah, but the "why mention them at all" in response to the point that this isn't "only" for the retro fans was a really selfish-sounding remark and I had to say something about that.

[MrFranklin]

Of course it does you plonker! I'm not selfish! I'd just hoped for high def sprites over 3d and that is all :)

Although this is kinda picky, because its 2D so it shouldn't matter. From that trailer it kinda looks more like prerendered CGI or what high def 3D looking sprites would look like than 3D. Even though they state its 3D... hmm maybe a hybrid like Rush? Who knows.

[Solaris Paradox]

You have a point, but still this game was announced as the return of classic Sonic, and the hype was all built over the classic features. I mean, probably no kids of this generation heard of it.

Which makes it more important for it to be aesthetically presentable. Makes it easier to digest the unfamiliarity, you see.

Besides, not all of us retro-geeks want sprites or the old-school design, in any case. I have a preference for 3D and the modern design, myself, and I've been a Sonic fan since before I can even remember.


Besides, this is download-only. I'm not complaining, I'm just saying that it means it's not supposed to attract thousands of new costumers.

With it being a Sonic game and with this heavy-handed marketing, I doubt it's going to be a secluded release.

[MrFranklin]

Either way, the graphics get the job done from what we've seen of them so far.

To be picky over graphics when you're used to playing the old games on a large hdtv in all their blurry glory is just ridicolous. I thank god that Sega didn't decide to go the megaman 9 route.

[matteus]

Yeah, but the "why mention them at all" in response to the point that this isn't "only" for the retro fans was a really selfish-sounding remark and I had to say something about that.

why mention the retro fans in the publicity is what i meant hehe Sega's marketing team always seem to do that. It was just a small dig at them...

[Solaris Paradox]

why mention the retro fans in the publicity is what i meant hehe Sega's marketing team always seem to do that. It was just a small dig at them...

Well, this time it really is focused on the fans of the classics, so obviously that's the market that's most interested, isn't it?

[AwesomeTails]

Solaris, indeed it was focussed on the fans of the classics. But yet the ending result doesnt fulfill that.

You know I just wanna see some real gameplay footage because what the trailers showed really looked like some sort of sonic 3d blast from game gear lol.

Really it did

[Palas]

Which makes it more important for it to be aesthetically presentable. Makes it easier to digest the unfamiliarity, you see.

Besides, not all of us retro-geeks want sprites or the old-school design, in any case. I have a preference for 3D and the modern design, myself, and I've been a Sonic fan since before I can even remember.

Indeed, but IMO the old design is much more carismatic - and aesthetically presentable - than the modern ones. Probably that's because I'm a retro-geek, but still.

The graphics look great, anyway. We're to know how the music is going to sound like, too, which is REALLY important. I won't even comment, since we haven't seen anything relevant about this point so far.


With it being a Sonic game and with this heavy-handed marketing, I doubt it's going to be a secluded release.

Not being a secluded release doesn't mean it is made to bring new fans. It's less accessible anyway, and it's a 2D platformer nevertheless. I don't think new gamers will even try to like it.

[matteus]

Well, this time it really is focused on the fans of the classics, so obviously that's the market that's most interested, isn't it?

In a way it sends mixed messages to both groups of fans, out of interest did you enjoy any of these: Sonic Heros, Shadow the Hedgehog, Sonic Unleashed?

I liked Unleashed it showed signs of being good in places, I loved the cheesy opening cinematic...

[Solaris Paradox]

In a way it sends mixed messages to both groups of fans, out of interest did you enjoy any of these: Sonic Heros, Shadow the Hedgehog, Sonic Unleashed?

Heroes was meh. Too much repetition, too much monotonous combat. A lot of untapped potential.

Shadow was... meh.

Unleashed was good, but fell short in ways. Werehog was pretty average, but that still puts it at several cuts above most of the other alternate-gameplay-styles previous games've had. The real irritation were those flappin' medals. GAH.

The Day Stages were awesome, but not in a "this is the Sonic I grew up with" way, rather in a "this is really, really fun!" kinda way.

I can see the Day Stage gameplay developing into something really nice if they work on trying to evolve it.


Indeed, but IMO the old design is much more carismatic - and aesthetically presentable - than the modern ones. Probably that's because I'm a retro-geek, but still.

We grew up at a time when designs were simpler. Frankly put, we're used it it.

Designs in this generation are more complicated and "cooler." To younger gamers, or gamers who've grown accustomed to more modern art styles, the new Sonic conveys the feel of Sonic much better than the old Sonic. It's also a better fit for current-gen graphics than is retro-Sonic, really.


The graphics look great, anyway. We're to know how the music is going to sound like, too, which is REALLY important. I won't even comment, since we haven't seen anything relevant about this point so far.

Well, they say they're trying to go the way of the classic soundtracks, which may or may not work depending on who does the music.


Not being a secluded release doesn't mean it is made to bring new fans. It's less accessible anyway, and it's a 2D platformer nevertheless. I don't think new gamers will even try to like it.

Oh, I think you underestimate the modern gamer, my friend.


Solaris, indeed it was focussed on the fans of the classics. But yet the ending result doesnt fulfill that.

It doesn't fulfil it in the way you wanted it. What I saw was quite promising.

[MrFranklin]

Heroes was meh. Too much repetition, too much monotonous combat. A lot of untapped potential.

Shadow was... meh.

Unleashed was good, but fell short in ways. Werehog was pretty average, but that still puts it at several cuts above most of the other alternate-gameplay-styles previous games've had. The real irritation were those flappin' medals. GAH.

The Day Stages were awesome, but not in a "this is the Sonic I grew up with" way, rather in a "this is really, really fun!" kinda way.

I can see the Day Stage gameplay developing into something really nice if they work on trying to evolve it.

That is probably one of the best points you've made and I agree entirely.

I find myself getting frustrated at the fanbase though, many on this forum are picking needlemouse apart now that it's been announced as Sonic 4 and they've seen a few seconds. Why would people be so childish about Sonic's run animation or if he looks like the classics. It's smart marketting to keep Sonic's look consistant now.

Surely its the gameplay that matters - the fact the enviroments fit in to make it look like a sequel is a bonus.

[matteus]

Heroes was meh. Too much repetition, too much monotonous combat. A lot of untapped potential.

Shadow was... meh.

Unleashed was good, but fell short in ways. Werehog was pretty average, but that still puts it at several cuts above most of the other alternate-gameplay-styles previous games've had. The real irritation were those flappin' medals. GAH.

The Day Stages were awesome, but not in a "this is the Sonic I grew up with" way, rather in a "this is really, really fun!" kinda way.

I can see the Day Stage gameplay developing into something really nice if they work on trying to evolve it.

I found Heros too much like Knuckles Chaotix and I wasn't much for the whole switch player dynamic.

Shadow was a real disappointment but had some good characters in it.

Then my opinion of Unleashed is like yours! I gather that the development time would have been alot longer had they attempted to do the whole game as day stages. The whole medal thing drove me mad!

[Solaris Paradox]

That is probably one of the best points you've made and I agree entirely.

I find myself getting frustrated at the fanbase though, many on this forum are picking needlemouse apart now that it's been announced as Sonic 4 and they've seen a few seconds. Why would people be so childish about Sonic's run animation or if he looks like the classics. It's smart marketting to keep Sonic's look consistant now.

Surely its the gameplay that matters - the fact the enviroments fit in to make it look like a sequel is a bonus.

Accidentally quoted the wrong part of my post there, eh?

Yeah, that's what I'm thinking.


I found Heros too much like Knuckles Chaotix and I wasn't much for the whole switch player dynamic.

I thought that mechanic had promise, but between the "we're going to tell you exactly what to do and when to do it" design choice and the general meh-ness of the game itself, it just didn't work out.


Shadow was a real disappointment but had some good characters in it.

Shadow was... marketing incarnate, really...


Then my opinion of Unleashed is like yours! I gather that the development time would have been alot longer had they attempted to do the whole game as day stages. The whole medal thing drove me mad!

Oh, development time, disc space, the whole nine yards. I doubt it would've fit on a single DVD unless they'd recycled each level like eight or nine times.

[Jax]

I love Knuckles Chaotix. Heroes was okay.

[Mystery XIII]

I loved everything except that sonic model, but the real complaint I have is the stiff animation. :( seriously even street fighter 4 fell victim to this, what's with 2d gameplay that they can't give fluid animation? Oh well I guess I was expecting something like seeing sonic run in 2d like it looks in unleashed. still put a smile on my face to see the trailer. Why is the logo so different from the one shadowed in the previous trailer?

[AwesomeTails]

Ive been repeating the trailer just now..

No, i still ain't convinced this will not be any better then the classics.

It will not be that special

[Jax]

Ive been repeating the trailer just now..

No, i still ain't convinced this will not be any better then the classics.

It will not be that special

You've made your point. Move along.

[Solaris Paradox]

Ive been repeating the trailer just now..

No, i still ain't convinced this will not be any better then the classics.

It will not be that special

I don't need it to be better, per se, just somewhere in the general neighborhood as far as the fun factor is concerned, you know?

[Solaris Paradox]

I loved everything except that sonic model, but the real complaint I have is the stiff animation. :( seriously even street fighter 4 fell victim to this, what's with 2d gameplay that they can't give fluid animation? Oh well I guess I was expecting something like seeing sonic run in 2d like it looks in unleashed. still put a smile on my face to see the trailer. Why is the logo so different from the one shadowed in the previous trailer?

Well, it's rather difficult to motion-capture a blue, big-headed, anthromorphic hedgehog that runs at the speed of sound, isn't it? =P Give 'em time, I'm sure the animation'll look better in the final product.

[MrFranklin]

Accidentally quoted the wrong part of my post there, eh?

Not at all, merely pointing out that was a nice short and accurate analysis of Unleashed HD.

And also expressing my frustration at how many overly picky people there are while I'm at it. As an old school fan I enjoyed Unleashed (a lot) but the shortcoming partially spoiled my enjoyment of the game and I could see how they would turn some people competely off the game, old school or new fan but yeah it was still much better than previous attempts.

This game is playing it safer and trying to restore the classic momentium gameplay. Officially it's aimed at fans liked the first games that doesn't have to be just old school fans, plenty of new fans like the old games. But clearly theres some fans who convinced themselves it'd be megaman 9... and I find that a very selfish take on the series because thats a fetish with retro. And I find it highly offensive that there actually people on the forums here and you've seen them too mate, basically stating that this game fails cause it isn't the art style old fans want.

Sonic 4 isn't about retro. It's about how the games used to play and bringing that to a modern game while making it look like a respectable sequel to the classics.

[Solaris Paradox]

Not at all, merely pointing out that was a nice short and accurate analysis of Unleashed HD.

Oh, well, now it makes sense. It just didn't seem like I'd made anything resembling a "point" in that bit.


And also expressing my frustration at how many overly picky people there are while I'm at it. As an old school fan I enjoyed Unleashed (a lot) but the shortcoming partially spoiled my enjoyment of the game and I could see how they would turn some people competely off the game, old school or new fan but yeah it was still much better than previous attempts. This game is playing it safer and trying to restore the classic momentium gameplay. Officially it's aimed at fans liked the first games. But clearly theres some fans who convinced themselves it'd be megaman 9... and I find that a very selfish take on the series because thats a fetish with retro.

Sonic 4 isn't about retro. It's about how the games used to play and bringing that to a modern game while making it look like a respectable sequel to the classics.

Amen.

[Mystery XIII]

Well, it's rather difficult to motion-capture a blue, big-headed, anthromorphic hedgehog that runs at the speed of sound, isn't it? =P Give 'em time, I'm sure the animation'll look better in the final product.

lol I guess you have a point there, I just dont understand how it looks great in unleashed 2d parts but here it looks stiff, eh time will tell.

[AwesomeTails]

I don't need it to be better, per se, just somewhere in the general neighborhood as far as the fun factor is concerned, you know?

Yea i know what you mean. I guess now i'm getting over it and used to the idea they chose this direction.

You remember all those artworks where they said "this also shows which direction the game will be going". I maybe expected too much from that description.

It will not be a problem if its not be better than the classics. But it should still be an epic experience and im looking forward to the great level design and great music. Im looking forward to a better running animation and ... wow oww yea there is a homing attack

Man... even fangame trailers seem to make me more excited... *sigh

[AwesomeTails]

Not at all, merely pointing out that was a nice short and accurate analysis of Unleashed HD.

And also expressing my frustration at how many overly picky people there are while I'm at it. As an old school fan I enjoyed Unleashed (a lot) but the shortcoming partially spoiled my enjoyment of the game and I could see how they would turn some people competely off the game, old school or new fan but yeah it was still much better than previous attempts.

This game is playing it safer and trying to restore the classic momentium gameplay. Officially it's aimed at fans liked the first games that doesn't have to be just old school fans, plenty of new fans like the old games. But clearly theres some fans who convinced themselves it'd be megaman 9... and I find that a very selfish take on the series because thats a fetish with retro. And I find it highly offensive that there actually people on the forums here and you've seen them too mate, basically stating that this game fails cause it isn't the art style old fans want.

Sonic 4 isn't about retro. It's about how the games used to play and bringing that to a modern game while making it look like a respectable sequel to the classics.

I wasnt expecting something like megaman 9. I was expecting somehing far more better than that.

Something like this

http://www.tssznews.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/12/CCZScreenshot.jpg

Except for the background that i like more in sonic 4 trailer

[Dix]

The main problem is that I have a hard time trusting Sega to deliver a worthwhile Sonic game.
Not after so many years of titles that range from meh (Advance) to plain unplayable (2006).

I'd really like Sonic 4 to be better, I just don't know whether they still have it in them to produce great games like in the old days.

[MrFranklin]

When you think about it, there is already obvious signs of massive fan service in this game, and you've gotta apprechiate that. They are taking the time to update the old badniks, not just throw loads of eggpawns in, they could have easily done that. They didn't even have to bother to make the enviroments like the first games. Rush could have been considered close enough. They only had to fufill classicish gameplay. Looks like they are going much further than that.

It's obvious they really care about making this game. So yeah let's give erm a chance, not just gun down every minor thing. If I was a developer and I read all this. I'd probably lose interest in making the game and lose heart.

[MrFranklin]

I wasnt expecting something like megaman 9. I was expecting somehing far more better than that.
Except for the background that i like more in sonic 4 trailer

Where did you find that image looks like a game I'd like to play.

[matteus]

http://www.tssznews.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/12/CCZScreenshot.jpg

if I'm honest thats kinda the style i was expecting :) but I'm still looking forward to seeing what the final game is like

[MrFranklin]

if I'm honest thats kinda the style i was expecting :) but I'm still looking forward to seeing what the final game is like

See where as if thats a real fan game I'm interested to play it but as an official game.
That style appears to be really ''busy'' to me and even less like the classics.

Apples and Oranges. Sega have gone for a clean visual style similar to classics with the happy balance modern Sonic style. The best medium to please as many people as possible

[AwesomeTails]

Where did you find that image looks like a game I'd like to play.

I got it from tssznews. Article said it was handdrawn.

Im just saying. Fans know what they want, but sonicteam cant deliver it

[MrFranklin]

^ to elaborate further on the above post. If I wanted to be really really picky I could argue based on the tiny bit of poor video quality gameplay I've seen that I would have prefered it too look more 3D with a distint 2.5D 3D looking landscape. Rather it looks more like prerendered CGI or even fancy flash to me initially.

But I'm not because I know that if the games good and is fun to play and achieves the classic gameplay, such a visual style won't bother me, and I know is a happy balance.

[MrFranklin]

I got it from tssznews. Article said it was handdrawn.

Im just saying. Fans know what they want, but sonicteam cant deliver it

But thats an invalid statement. I'm a classic fan same as you. But I prefer the art style Sega has chosen to that picture you showed me.

My point is, visual style is very taste dependant. It only makes sence that Sega would use the modern Sonic look that is now their brand. Instead of changing back exclusively for Sonic 4.

A more accurate description is that the gameplay style is aimed at all fans that enjoy the classic games. That could be old and new Sonic fans.

And I know you're worried about the homing attack, play Sonic 1 Megamix with an emulator and you will worry less. Although if it bothers you in that game too. Consider the fact that the homing attack might be less guided than previous games or might be for exclusive actions in the game. If rumours are true that Sega has recruited fangame and hack people, than this game is in good hands. They know not to overpower or ruin the game with homing attack. No point worrying until more gameplay vids come out.

[AwesomeTails]

But do you see the perfect balance in that picture. Sonic looks almost like the new model only they took the good things from both.

I dont like the new sonic model at all. I was hoping they would see that the old school model had some great things too with this whole retro approach. And make like a new model who is smaller, hasnt too large quills, and actually the picture i posted looks precisely how i would want it

[MrFranklin]

yeah but in the grand scheme of things, is it really a deal breaker? Is the model really what defines the original games. I'm not keen on the Sonic 3 sprite I think it looks a step back from the cleaner look he had in Sonic 2 but Sonic 3 & Knuckles is my favourite of the classics. It'll probably grow on you and it looks a lot better when its actually in the level.

[AwesomeTails]

Im more of a total package guy, But i think soms small minors wouldnt be a big deal. For me the running animation is a big deal. So i hope they make it feel natural or even better like in the picture i posted :p. I would like it if they made him cirkel around his feet like the classics.

Also what i liked about sonic advance 1

[1nsolent]

I dont like this running animation, its looks ****** =/

[Solaris Paradox]

The running animation DOES look pretty bad, but I still think that's not his "top speed" running animation.

[Myeou]

The running animation DOES look pretty bad, but I still think that's not his "top speed" running animation.

i hope you right
if it isnt top speed run animation than it isnt bad...

[Dark Sonic]

i think unleashed's 2d (especially in adabat act 2) looks much betten than needlemouse.

[Solaris Paradox]

i think unleashed's 2d (especially in adabat act 2) looks much betten than needlemouse.

That's because it's 3D graphics developed for a disc-based 360/PS3 game with the Hedgehog Engine.

You're absolutely out of your mind if you think that's a fair comparison.

[JKO.]

Please FOR THE LOVE OF GOD SEGA, STICK WITH THE CLASSIC SONIC LOOK!

I don't want to see that ugly modern sonic with the stiff running. I want to see the classic sonic who I grew up with. And keep the cartoony running too.

[hellmetal789]

i thought it looked great apart from the animation and i grew up with sonic. i just hope the last platform they announce is pc or ds.

[Gin93]

SOnic Looks good with green eyes

[AwesomeTails]

I dont care about green eyes. The model as a whole looks like ****. Classic model looked better and they couldve adepted to that with this whole going back to retro bullcrap.

[DAMN]

WTFFFFFFF??? i am a young fan but prefer the original classic 2D games just a warning
what the **** sega we want classic sonic not this spiffy girly new sonic we've got enough of that **** in 3d games please change it into its classic design with black eyes since this is a direct sequel to the classics just for the old fans and me since its DLC its not boughtable make him a little shorter make him look like the old sonic for god sakes and make it faster not like a 10 Miles per hour car and fix the runnig animation please no homing attack here is an example u sega noobs http://i47.tinypic.com/8wkth4.jpg classic but still modern this image was provided by Chris in SOA blog please reconsider it cause his had looks massive in compared to his body and just mixing the new model with the finger thing from sonic 1 its not enough also eleminate that dirt when ur running its ******** it make his him look slower and return the original special stages from sonic 1 the ones in sonic 2 and 3 were bad and i just hope i get a next gen console before the game is out to play it "cries" dammit please reconsider it what i liked however was the background design though that needs improvement too and i hope u got the band from sonic 1 and 2 too back they were awesome with the music i dont care if it is 3D do what i just said to improve it and it will be a perfect and im sure most of the younger fans will buy this game cuz it has sonic on it and they just have to buy it and make the gameplay more like sonic 1 and 2 a bit faster not saying that 3 was bad it was actually good but didnt like the turns in the levels they were too confusing do this and itll be an awesome game not just for the older fans for us younger fans too believe me please

[AwesomeTails]

Yea http://i47.tinypic.com/8wkth4.jpg

[AwesomeTails]

http://i47.tinypic.com/8wkth4.jpg
http://i47.tinypic.com/8wkth4.jpg
http://i47.tinypic.com/8wkth4.jpg
http://i47.tinypic.com/8wkth4.jpg

please

[Gin93]

http://i47.tinypic.com/8wkth4.jpg
http://i47.tinypic.com/8wkth4.jpg
http://i47.tinypic.com/8wkth4.jpg
http://i47.tinypic.com/8wkth4.jpg

please

you know about mario's new look? They kept It
That model is just ugly

[Solaris Paradox]

Again, I would love to have dear ol' Pudgy Sonic as an alternate character-skin to play with, but Tails, please don't spam. Type your thoughts in words with images as an aide when needed. Thank you for your consideration.

EDIT: Gin, what do you mean "Mario's new look?" I wasn't aware his look had changed in any substantial way.

[AwesomeTails]

Did mario ever change his looks? I think mario always looked stupid compared to sonic.

While mario still looks stupid he looks definetly better.

Sonic looks worse

[Ingolme]

I was ready to hear complaints today about the game. The 3D model is just fine, what's important about a game is the playability.

I think the game looks really fun and the stage they showed looks nice.

[Mr Adventure]

I'm satisfied with how he looks. He just has longer quills and green eyes. Doesn't bother me much.

[Dr. Sega]

what do you mean "Mario's new look?" I wasn't aware his look had changed in any substantial way.Not by much, but there are some slight changes over the years.

http://img268.imageshack.us/img268/7559/010909mariofacesobs01ar.jpg

[Alex2beta]

To be honest the model looks like a sonic heroes one with more polygons, different shading, no gloss, and small model changes, i mean take the sonic heroes model, make it high polygon, give it a clean fuzzy lighting with no gloss, and you get the same result as the one you seen at the gameplay

[JKO.]

Yea http://i47.tinypic.com/8wkth4.jpg

This version looks MUCH better than the current sonic. I'm praying to God SEGA keeps the classic look for the 2D series.

[Nero Angelo]

Maybe this is an Testmodel. I believe they make an retro model *I say it once more: I think the Logo they show us is not the real Logo. It looks completly different like the shadowed one* But maybe the real model is not completed yet and so they use an older model from sonic Rivals or something. I really believe they make an new Model ^^

Anyway, I doesn't have much to criticised. Better an ugly model in an good game, instead an good model in an bad game.

[Gin93]

no...green eyed sonic is the final model

[Nero Angelo]

When classic, then real classic!
http://img11.imageshack.us/img11/8668/8wrkth4.jpg (http://img11.imageshack.us/i/8wrkth4.jpg/)

His blue Fur was a bit brighter in the past ;) that looks a bit better!

[The Ultimate sonic fan]

no...green eyed sonic is the final model

Black (or green) ftw!

[Dix]

Damn, this picture is really making me nostalgic.

[Gin93]

...im gonna slam my head againts the keyborad mn,kjhgfdrsu
Srsly what the heck? Your getting the game you wanted...now be happy

[transcape]

for New Super Mario Bros. they kept the 3D mario model for a 2D game. Whats the problem??

[NoName999]

Don't you know transcape, if Mario does something like that, it's considered reaching out to all types of the series fans.

When Sonic does it, it's considered throwing your older fans under a bush for the newer ones XD

[AwesomeTails]

When classic, then real classic!
http://img11.imageshack.us/img11/8668/8wrkth4.jpg (http://img11.imageshack.us/i/8wrkth4.jpg/)

His blue Fur was a bit brighter in the past ;) that looks a bit better!

Haha, your really into the details. Its always different, sometimes hes bright and sometimes dark. That doesnt really matter, but i personally like him darker because when i think of bright, sonic heroes comes to my mind and then i get a headache

[AwesomeTails]

for New Super Mario Bros. they kept the 3D mario model for a 2D game. Whats the problem??

Yea but nintendo knows how to do it right, he runs jumps moves exactly like in 2d games.

I wouldnt mind 3d, but i want it to be as smooth or even smoother than a 2d game. Plus not such an ugly character model

[Solaris Paradox]

Yea but nintendo knows how to do it right, he runs jumps moves exactly like in 2d games.

I wouldnt mind 3d, but i want it to be as smooth or even smoother than a 2d game. Plus not such an ugly character model

I don't see where you get "ugly" from, personally, I think he looks pretty damn good in that form.

But that's a matter of taste, I guess. I say again (for any Sega peeps who may be reading this) that a Pudgy Sonic alternate "skin" would be a cool little thing to have if one happens to want it.

[DAMN]

and im really afraid about the 2.5D perspective that it will limit the speed i would want an 2D sprited HD with nicer backgrounds game instead of ruin it with 2.5D i mean its been 16 years for all of u guys and for the returning of his roots he really deserves something better than that and one of the comments above said that this logo may be fake and he may be right cuz it doesnt look like the PN silhouette but in its official site that logo was still in it i think those *******s changed the real logo/design in the last minute and doesnt it seem to u a bit wierd with all the hype going on like 500 comments/replies in a day and this much little info in sega of america blogs that the game is going to be released in summer 2010 and from the trailer even in the new trailer it showes a blue blur swiping rings at the begging in the size of classic sonic and i just hope that the speed shoes actually work in 2.5D cuz knowing 2.5D it ruins everything im not sure of that and once again i dont want the homing attack i want to feel the same feel that u got form sonic 1 when u jumped on a badnik(to kill it) it depends on how much are u holding the jump button and counter-balances it and its just awesome

[MrFranklin]

and im really afraid about the 2.5D perspective that it will limit the speed i would want an 2D sprited HD with nicer backgrounds game instead of ruin it with 2.5D i mean its been 16 years for all of u guys and for the returning of his roots he really deserves something better than that and one of the comments above said that this logo may be fake and he may be right cuz it doesnt look like the PN silhouette but in its official site that logo was still in it i think those *******s changed the real logo/design in the last minute and doesnt it seem to u a bit wierd with all the hype going on like 500 comments/replies a day and this much little info that the game is going to be released in summer 2010 and from the trailer even in the new trailer it showes a blue blur swiping rings at the begging in the size of classic sonic and i just hope that the speed shoes actually work in 2.5D cuz knowing 2.5D it ruins everything im not sure of that and once again i dont want the homing attack i want to feel the same feel that u got form sonic 1 when u jumped on a badnik(to kill it) it depends on how much are u holding the jump button and countetr-balances it and its just awesome

What I could barely read all that? Did you watch the recent trailer on gamespot. It's not a 2.5D perspective, its a 2D perspective. There is some debate on wheher it uses 3D rendering or 3D prerendered, or some sprites or a bit of both. Info suggests 3D prerendered. But its 2D perspective, not 2.5D go watch the new trailer on gamespot mate.

[Spin-Slash]

It's not a big ****ing deal. It's freaking Sonic the Hedgehog, but more importantly, LOOK AT THE BACKGROUNDS:

http://image.com.com/gamespot/images/2010/33/Needlemouse-Trailer-Screens-1_30476_screen.jpg

ARE YOU SERIOUSLY GOING TO DENY HOW EFFING BEAUTIFUL THAT LOOKS?

Seriously, this is just an allegory on how a lot of you are just missing the big picture. Look at that. Fully detail, multi-layered backgrounds, tall checkered hills in the distance, and a beautiful forground completely reminiscent of your traditional Genesis Sonic look. For ****'s sake, guys. Chill the hell out.

And as for Sonic himself, I understand. I thought it would've been awesome if Sonic looked like he did in the Sonic OVA or with black eyes or whatever, but even in ths game itself, it's so unnoticeable that it hardly needs to matter. This is how it is, so stop making such a big deal about it. Let's focus on the rest of the game's look and playstyle, shall we?

Oh, wait, we can't. We don't have any more footage of the game, and I'd be fine with that until the game's release. But oh well, at least we've got Sonic's obviously ugly 3D model to rag on about.

Seriously, this isn't enough of a faithful Genesis throwback to you guys? ****ing spoiled. And that isn't even completely valid because we haven't even played the game yet.

[AwesomeTails]

No i like the background, I said that earlier. Just the model. I never liked it in unleashed and i expected they wouldnt use it in this so called going back to roots game.

Just dissapointed thats all

[Alex2beta]

It's not a big ****ing deal. It's freaking Sonic the Hedgehog, but more importantly, LOOK AT THE BACKGROUNDS:

http://image.com.com/gamespot/images/2010/33/Needlemouse-Trailer-Screens-1_30476_screen.jpg

ARE YOU SERIOUSLY GOING TO DENY HOW EFFING BEAUTIFUL THAT LOOKS?

Seriously, this is just an allegory on how a lot of you are just missing the big picture. Look at that. Fully detail, multi-layered backgrounds, tall checkered hills in the distance, and a beautiful forground completely reminiscent of your traditional Genesis Sonic look. For ****'s sake, guys. Chill the hell out.

And as for Sonic himself, I understand. I thought it would've been awesome if Sonic looked like he did in the Sonic OVA or with black eyes or whatever, but even in ths game itself, it's so unnoticeable that it hardly needs to matter. This is how it is, so stop making such a big deal about it. Let's focus on the rest of the game's look and playstyle, shall we?

Oh, wait, we can't. We don't have any more footage of the game, and I'd be fine with that until the game's release. But oh well, at least we've got Sonic's obviously ugly 3D model to rag on about.

Seriously, this isn't enough of a faithful Genesis throwback to you guys? ****ing spoiled. And that isn't even completely valid because we haven't even played the game yet.

Yeh....But still sonic looks like the sonic heroes model, anyhow eveything is buitifull, it looks all polished and ready to go!

[Myeou]

i dont know why people domnt like the 3d model. i mean is it really be good whne its had blakc eyes and old chool modern. i think no. then some fans will say again "this is bad we want new moern and green eyes "

i mean in old topic many fans said they like modern sonic but why now everyone wants old school...
thats not make sense

[NoName999]

Yea but nintendo knows how to do it right, he runs jumps moves exactly like in 2d games.


No he doesn't.

In older game Mario's arms swung in motion. In the New Super Mario Bros he does not.

[MrPoT4tO]

Do I have to quote Griffith again?
Why all this drama about his model? This is just like Advance 1, retro***s complaining it wasn't fat Sonic.

I still stand with the option of changing models.

I have to admit, that running animation is meh. He looked like he was jogging.

[segafanac]

There are two things that I think need to be changed. The first being the running animation. It was great to see the other Sonic games show Sonic running but then they show Sonic 4 and he seems to be jogging? It just doesn't look right. Unleashed I think did a better job of that.

And second are the length of quills. They just don't look right. They seem too long. So I did a quick edit and here is a comparision the left is Sonic 4's model and the right is what I would like to see.

http://i47.tinypic.com/2ccm3qq.jpg

Why didn't Sega just use Sonic Unleashed's character model. They had the proportions spot on, unless they are saving it to use for the next 3D Sonic Unleashed (no werehog) using the hedgehog engine. Which I hope they do. Don't get me wrong I like me some Sonic 4, but I really did enjoy Sonic Unleashed (Sonic stages mostly, too bad you couldn't play it in night) now if they made the next Sonic Unleashed with old school level design from the previous sonic games, add some badniks and the hedgehog engine and we are set.

[DAMN]

What I could barely read all that? Did you watch the recent trailer on gamespot. It's not a 2.5D perspective, its a 2D perspective. There is some debate on wheher it uses 3D rendering or 3D prerendered, or some sprites or a bit of both. Info suggests 3D prerendered. But its 2D perspective, not 2.5D go watch the new trailer on gamespot mate.

lol thats what i meant i saw the trailer i just mistakely refered to 3D rendering as 2.5D

[AwesomeTails]

@segafanac

Such a small difference yet it has a huge effect. They are really too long

[Dix]

And second are the length of quills. They just don't look right. They seem too long. So I did a quick edit and here is a comparision the left is Sonic 4's model and the right is what I would like to see.

http://i47.tinypic.com/2ccm3qq.jpg

This looks so much better!

[DAMN]

i dont know why people domnt like the 3d model. i mean is it really be good whne its had blakc eyes and old chool modern. i think no. then some fans will say again "this is bad we want new moern and green eyes "

i mean in old topic many fans said they like modern sonic but why now everyone wants old school...
thats not make sense

its not that! we still like the modern model but only for 3D Games not for our beloved genesis games

[Nesplayer]

I absolutley have no problem with the game having the modern Sonic model, I couldn't care less. Sure, I would of liked the classic Sonic look but that's not going to make the game any better, right? What's most important is that the gameplay is going to be faithful to the genesis games. As for the video, I am very pleased to see it! Like what Spin-Slash said, the visuals overall look fantastic. I even think the game will look even better when we're actually playing it. I'm happy overall and I'm very eager to see more information on this game.

My ONLY complaint about this game is Sonic's running animation, it looks very akward. I'm hoping that they fix this small problem.

[DAMN]

i just hope they use this or else http://i47.tinypic.com/8wkth4.jpg and did u all know that this game will be for another platform too i think its going too be for sega ringedge arcade or who knows the might convert Sega RingEdge into a homeconsole or maybe it is for that demand live sega ringedge thing

[DAMN]

and comparing modern vs classic i think classic is more real than modern i mean hedgehog arent giants(i know it s a game but still) dammit the classic looks more fit for this game and more easy to maneauver than the giant ugly new one and really dont like the fact that it is now with episode this isnt star wars lol and as AVGN would say wtfffffff? confusing us with titles why not just name this one sonic 4 and the other sonic 5 comeeee ooooon

[MrFranklin]

and comparing modern vs classic i think classic is more real than modern i mean hedgehog arent giants(i know it s a game but still) dammit the classic looks more fit for this game and more easy to maneauver than the giant ugly new one and really dont like the fact that it is now with episode this isnt star wars lol and as AVGN would say wtfffffff? confusing us with titles why not just name this one sonic 4 and the other sonic 5 comeeee ooooon

Whine... Whine...

Yes I saw a hedgehog in real life the other day that was 3 foot tall and bright blue with a round fat tummy. He's not meant to look realistic. The modern look just looks better when 3D graphics are involved in design. Generally also looks faster.

I see your point about episodes being a little confusing. But I doubt each episode is going to be a massive upgrade each time. So they probably want to keep the Sonic 5 title for somethingelse.

[Macksam]

This game just needs to be ramp up the difficulty level compared to the Genesis titles since those games are dead easy in hindsight.

[DAMN]

i still cant believe there are like thousands of sites now discussing about this game in its first day hearing abput the title and seeing 5 secs of gameplay and i dare u sega to imagine if u put the classic design with classic running animation no homing attack whatsoever, remove the term episode 1 making it into a full game and sell it as a full retail game it would sell like millions in a few hours worldwide and u'd be swimming in cash and we would be able to fully enjoy the game

[AwesomeTails]

i still cant believe there are like thousands of sites now discussing about this game in its first day hearing abput the title and seeing 5 secs of gameplay and i dare u sega to imagine if u put the classic design with classic running animation no homing attack whatsoever, remove the term episode 1 making it into a full game and sell it as a full retail game it would sell like millions in a few hours worldwide and u'd be swimming in cash and we would be able to fully enjoy the game

Well said;)

Everyone expected it to be like that which means everyone wanted it to be like that.

Nobody would whine if they did all the stuff i quoted from you.

Sonicteam is a weird company

[DAMN]

Whine... Whine...

Yes I saw a hedgehog in real life the other day that was 3 foot tall and bright blue with a round fat tummy. He's not meant to look realistic. The modern look just looks better when 3D graphics are involved in design. Generally also looks faster.

I see your point about episodes being a little confusing. But I doubt each episode is going to be a massive upgrade each time. So they probably want to keep the Sonic 5 title for somethingelse.

i dont hate the modern design but love it only in the 3D games i dont want to ruin the 2D Games and the fact that is rendered in 3D doesnt make it faster at all it makes it look slower actually and u really wanna know what im really whining about the fact that i dont have a next console hell id be happy even with wii just so i could play sonic 4(and keep in mind im actually 14 years old but like the retro games more)

[DNA]

http://img708.imageshack.us/img708/8440/1265299582974.jpg

Come on sega, is not that hard, seriously.

[Mr Adventure]

http://img708.imageshack.us/img708/8440/1265299582974.jpg

Come on sega, is not that hard, seriously.

That looks gross!

[DAMN]

Well said;)

Everyone expected it to be like that which means everyone wanted it to be like that.

Nobody would whine if they did all the stuff i quoted from you.

Sonicteam is a weird company

its been since Yuji Naka left duuuh they need too explore more the internet and look at what the fans want i mean look at NSMBWii(i know u probably get this from a lot of people) its almost perfect in terms of gameplay it s almost like the classic 2D games id say sega should fire sonic team and hire "sonic fans" we would do it even free and better than those idiots for me its all that hedgehog engine creators fault he's just too obsessed with the engine i mean it was good for SU but this sonic 4 we're talking dammit(and once again just to inform u im 14 but still like the retro games better they focused more on gameplay,design,motion flow control(the retro games always had smoother control the fact that they were in 2D sprites not 3D rendered) and not just graphics and what i liked in the retro games was that they'd make us think they were really hard and may never complete them but in the end we complete them and i only played sonic 1,2 and recently playing 3 in an emulator they're so good and fun i couldnt imagine how fun they would be if i played them in a genesis) and can u actually believe it that this is coming from a young fan(probably not) after all my first console was a bootleg nintendo(i think my state got them from probably china) sorry that the reply was too long lol

[Dinizz_2d]

I like the new model, with the green eyes and stuff. It's really that bad?

I believe that in the end Sega will compilate all episodes in one and sell it on a physic media.

And i think that sega will look the forums, and change the running style. EVERYBODY is talking about the non-wheel running style, if the sega don't see it... Well...

[viperxmns]

I assume the game is still in early stages because Sonic ran right through the crab badnik.

Dunno if this has been addressed; it looks that way at first glance, but those are actually plants.

[DAMN]

http://img708.imageshack.us/img708/8440/1265299582974.jpg

Come on sega, is not that hard, seriously.

this actually is an improvement remove the shine on the black eyes(too much eyecandy) shade it a little more to look like the original body and it is perfect and this actually would be better for both the 2D games and the 3D games

[AwesomeTails]

its been since Yuji Naka left duuuh they need too explore more the internet and look at what the fans want i mean look at NSMBWii(i know u probably get this from a lot of people) its almost perfect in terms of gameplay it s almost like the classic 2D games id say sega should fire sonic team and hire "sonic fans" we would do it even free and better than those idiots for me its all that hedgehog engine creators fault he's just too obsessed with the engine i mean it was good for SU but this sonic 4 we're talking dammit(and once again just to inform u im 14 but still like the retro games better they focused more on gameplay,design,motion flow control(the retro games always had smoother control the fact that they were in 2D sprites not 3D rendered) and not just graphics and what i liked in the retro games was that they'd make us think they were really hard and may never complete them but in the end we complete them and i only played sonic 1,2 and recently playing 3 in an emulator they're so good and fun i couldnt imagine how fun they would be if i played them in a genesis) and can u actually believe it that this is coming from a young fan(probably not) after all my first console was a bootleg nintendo(i think my state got them from probably china) sorry that the reply was too long lol

What was the first sonic game you played? Just curious because i like how you think about the franchise for a 14 year old.

And i agree about the sonic fan bit. Of course they could never do better. But i mean if just one fan could tell them in the face, "wtf are you doing guys this and this is just wrong" and they eventually change it, everyone could be happy.

I think that even the modern fans secretely hoped for a classic model..

Yuji naka's last game he really was involved in was i think sonic adventure 2? So i don't think it's yuji naka's fault. Sonic team as a whole just makes weird choices.

[NoName999]

http://img708.imageshack.us/img708/8440/1265299582974.jpg

Come on sega, is not that hard, seriously.

Nevermind the fact that the Sonic on the right looks off, how the heck does Sonic on the right look anything like this:

http://www.shinyshiny.tv/sonic.jpg

[AwesomeTails]

@noname, i agree, that model just sucks ***... actually all 3 of them

[Frapsxiv]

I reaally wish people would stop whining about the model, it looks great, this isn't a game meant ONLY for OLD SCHOOL, i know there are a lot of us out there, but SEGA wouldn't pay the cost of the game with just old school fans buying it, they need new fans, and tha game MUST look modern, we should be thankful to SEGA for going back to the sidescroll scheme, so people, please, let people on SEGA do their job, i'm sure it will be a great game no matter what.
Just to note, i'm a 25 year old sonic FAN and i've never been so excited about the announcemment of a game before.

[SonicSALES]

I reaally wish people would stop whining about the model, it looks great, this isn't a game meant ONLY for OLD SCHOOL, i know there are a lot of us out there, but SEGA wouldn't pay the cost of the game with just old school fans buying it, they need new fans, and tha game MUST look modern, we should be thankful to SEGA for going back to the sidescroll scheme, so people, please, let people on SEGA do their job, i'm sure it will be a great game no matter what.
Just to note, i'm a 25 year old sonic FAN and i've never been so excited about the announcemment of a game before.

I agree to a certain extent. But why does the classic Sonic appear in the Hedgehog Day video and on the top of this forum????!!! :confused::confused:

[DNA]

That pic was just a thing to state my point. Right now:

The needles are WAY too long and furry.

The legs too, need to be resized.

Can't really spin up into a ball shape with those, can ya, sonic? Also a shorter sprite would result in a less stiff\more cartoony\ better sized sprite on the screen.

Just my 2 cents

[DAMN]

What was the first sonic game you played? Just curious because i like how you think about the franchise for a 14 year old.

And i agree about the sonic fan bit. Of course they could never do better. But i mean if just one fan could tell them in the face, "wtf are you doing guys this and this is just wrong" and they eventually change it, everyone could be happy.

I think that even the modern fans secretely hoped for a classic model..

Yuji naka's last game he really was involved in was i think sonic adventure 2? So i don't think it's yuji naka's fault. Sonic team as a whole just makes weird choices.

well it was sonic 1 when one of my friends gave me mame32 in a CD(cuz my state ripped it from the internet with thousands of games) and had no idea how to play i totally sucked in it but still liked the speed it was years ago and than i think in 2008 or 2007 summer when i got back form holidays i played in PS3 like in an internet caffe u pay for an hour or so i played ****** sonic 06(first 3D game) the controls were horrible the graphics were nice a little and hadnt any idea how to get on the first stage and i kept wandering for like an hour in the hub world and my time was off though played against a boy there and totally sucked cuz controls were horrible then i saw SU i buyed it for the PS2 and actually that game atleast plays lol and loved it even if it was prev gen it was enjoyable then played sonic 1 and 2 mega play no special stages in mame32uifx cuz the one in the cd got deleted a long time ago than i dled this kega fusion 3.63 played sonic 1 and failed to get all the emeralds for some reason i couldnt collect them all only 5 when i got to scrap brain zone i was mad cuz no special stages and currently playing 3 than maybe later 2 what i hate in 3 is those annoying turns theyre so confusing hoping sonic 4 wont be like that other than that thats it lol sorry again it seems i have replied too too long and thats ******** that the new fans like classic/modern designs as long as sonic is in there the kiddies will buy it i mean if mario & sonic in the olympic games and winter games sold good this will sell like ten times more with classic sonic or modern sonic

[SonicSALES]

Why couldn't Sega just let us choose in the game which Sonic we want to play.......classic or surfer Sonic ;)

No doubt this game will be hacked with classic Sonic and Tails instead. :)

[DAMN]

Why couldn't Sega just let us choose in the game which Sonic we want to play.......classic or surfer Sonic ;)

No doubt this game will be hacked with classic Sonic and Tails instead. :)

cuz they're giant fools and they couldnt really make the log with classic and modern sonic together could they lol but even if they use new sonic i just hope they shorten him and ensmall his huge head then it wouldnt be much of a bother

[SonicSALES]

cuz they're giant fools and they couldnt really make the log with classic and modern sonic together could they lol but even if they use new sonic i just hope they shorten him and ensmall his huge head then it wouldnt be much of a bother

If they gave him the classic look with a slight make over - I bet newer fans wouldn't care....they would know this is suppose to be a sequel to S3K :-o

In a way we have been lead to believe that Sonic 4 would feature the classic looking Sonic.........but as many have said it looks unfinished in the teaser so heres hoping!! ;)

[Tailsfox321]

I think it's to make the game appeal to a wider audience. Or maybe Sega wants it to fit in with modern video games in general.

Those are my guesses.

[SonicSALES]

I think it's to make the game appeal to a wider audience. Or maybe Sega wants it to fit in with modern video games in general.

Those are my guesses.

Yeh but Mario has always looked similar in his 2D games........Sega never had to change Sonic's look so drastically in the first place.

[matteus]

If sega are indeed reading then

THIS:
http://www.shinyshiny.tv/sonic.jpg

AND THIS:
http://img11.imageshack.us/img11/8668/8wrkth4.jpg

Both match up very well and having seen that altered model with the shorter spines, I'd say drop the modern green eyes, shorten the spines and you've hit the jack pot.

Amazing how altering the 3D render ever so slightly can have such an effect on your opinion of something!

[DNA]

and this:
http://img11.imageshack.us/img11/8668/8wrkth4.jpg

both match up very well and having seen that altered model with the shorter spines, i'd say drop the modern green eyes, shorten the spines and you've hit the jack pot.

Amazing how altering the 3d render ever so slightly can have such an effect on your opinion of something!

http://img683.imageshack.us/img683/6697/ohgodwhy.jpg

*sigh*

[SonicDemon]

i recon once everyone playing and enjoying the game, no one will give a monkeys. from what i can see sega have used the same model from sonic rush from the DS version.

[AwesomeTails]

@DAMn

wow

[DAMN]

If they gave him the classic look with a slight make over - I bet newer fans wouldn't care....they would know this is suppose to be a sequel to S3K :-o

In a way we have been lead to believe that Sonic 4 would feature the classic looking Sonic.........but as many have said it looks unfinished in the teaser so heres hoping!! ;)

i too think that it is unfinished cuz it looks like worse than even this u will lol when u see this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bU5pf0z8onY when it should actually look like this http://orioto.deviantart.com/gallery/#Videogame-Remakes but not make the background that real cuz if we would be playing long enough we surely would get seizures

[DAMN]

@DAMn

wow

hahaha you probably loled at my long comment right sorry for making u read that

[DAMN]

http://img683.imageshack.us/img683/6697/ohgodwhy.jpg

*sigh*

wow this really looks good and it fits perfectly i just hope they use this though they should add a finger waving and remove the shine in the eyes(too much eyecandy) since that is what gave him the attitude that we all like and we're all set

[AwesomeTails]

hahaha you probably loled at my long comment right sorry for making u read that

Oww excuse me I thought it was you who posted that epic picture of DNA

It looks awesome

[DAMN]

Oww excuse me I thought it was you who posted that epic picture of DNA

It looks awesome

yeah but the gameplay shold look like this http://orioto.deviantart.com/gallery/#Videogame-Remakes

[Frapsxiv]

Matteus, you can bet it's not that simple to modify the character, you see, the new model introduced in sonic adventure on dreamcast has become the standard look since 1998 with green eyes and all, so, i think the team would have to talk to bigger guys inside sega and convince them to do such change, i'm pretty sure they can't simply change things the way they please

[matteus]

Matteus, you can bet it's not that simple to modify the character, you see, the new model introduced in sonic adventure on dreamcast has become the standard look since 1998 with green eyes and all, so, i think the team would have to talk to bigger guys inside sega and convince them to do such change, i'm pretty sure they can't simply change things the way they please

yeah i'm sure too :) oh well still looking forward to it!

[Outsanity]

My theory is this.
I'm sure Sega got an earful about how these Sonic games are. I may be wrong but I heard Not many people were pleased with the last few Sonic games (Unleashed, Secret Rings, Black Knight).

I can understand your point but think: Will people pay for a NEW Sonic game if it was downgraded to sprites? I think deep down, they wouldn't. The only reference "old schoolers" because games these days, you barely see a side scroller.

I won't dwell on it but I say Sega will make up for the flops that are Secret Rings, Unleashed, and Black Knight with this.

[AwesomeTails]

My theory is this.
I'm sure Sega got an earful about how these Sonic games are. I may be wrong but I heard Not many people were pleased with the last few Sonic games (Unleashed, Secret Rings, Black Knight).

I can understand your point but think: Will people pay for a NEW Sonic game if it was downgraded to sprites? I think deep down, they wouldn't. The only reference "old schoolers" because games these days, you barely see a side scroller.

I won't dwell on it but I say Sega will make up for the flops that are Secret Rings, Unleashed, and Black Knight with this.

Oww yes they would. Your theory is flawed.

There are enough games on wiiware played in 2d. Recently a new one actually, forgot the name but basically its about controlling this character on 2 screens.

Lost wind, lynx and more. World of goo is a simple puzzle game but look how succesful. Its all about ratings in the end. People do pay attention and it has a big influence on the sales.

[Outsanity]

Oww yes they would. Your theory is flawed.

There are enough games on wiiware played in 2d. Recently a new one actually, forgot the name but basically its about controlling this character on 2 screens.

Lost wind, lynx and more. World of goo is a simple puzzle game but look how succesful. Its all about ratings in the end. People do pay attention and it has a big influence on the sales.

Well, I guess it depends on the player. But, we have until Summer. They may change some stuff.

[denyeverything]

Oww yes they would. Your theory is flawed.

There are enough games on wiiware played in 2d. Recently a new one actually, forgot the name but basically its about controlling this character on 2 screens.

Are you saying that those 2D games are making money? Having high sales? Or are you just presuming they are based on the fact that you bought one of them and you can't even remember it's name? Just based on this post, I'd say the 2D retro market doesn't sound all that great.

And besides, I know that SEGA sells consoles with their old games pre-loaded into them. So they know full well what retro gamers want. They have also released collections out on both PS3 and Xbox360 (I think, I know for PS3). So I'm pretty sure they would know whether or not the 2D retro market is one that is worth tapping into because they have sold products to them on several occasions.

[DAMN]

see this guys http://orioto.deviantart.com/gallery/#Videogame-Remakes--2 look for green hill zone and aquatic ruin zone and u will be amazrd how good this guy has remastered them

[SonicSALES]

If sega are indeed reading then

THIS:
http://www.shinyshiny.tv/sonic.jpg

AND THIS:
http://img11.imageshack.us/img11/8668/8wrkth4.jpg

Both match up very well and having seen that altered model with the shorter spines, I'd say drop the modern green eyes, shorten the spines and you've hit the jack pot.

Amazing how altering the 3D render ever so slightly can have such an effect on your opinion of something!

Like it. Sega you have 5 months!!!!! ;)

[SonicSALES]

see this guys http://orioto.deviantart.com/gallery/#Videogame-Remakes--2 look for green hill zone and aquatic ruin zone and u will be amazrd how good this guy has remastered them

Yeh amazing. Sadly modern Sonic fans would like the surfer look instead :p

[DAMN]

Yeh amazing. Sadly modern Sonic fans would like the surfer look instead :p

im telling everybody kids nowadays dont care about design if sonic is in it they'll buy it when mario & sonic sold well then why not this and if they see this and play this (if it would be like in the pictures) they would totally love 2D sonic and im tired of sega always wanting to satisfy the new gamers(which i am one but prefer the classic sonic) just ***in make atleast just a game remisincent of the genesis era(and when i say genesis i mean genesis) just for the old fans and me just a game come oooooooonnnn even if it is DLC i wouldnt care just one game to be good and then just **** up with new 3D games all u ***in want cuz we dont care

[AwesomeTails]

Are you saying that those 2D games are making money? Having high sales? Or are you just presuming they are based on the fact that you bought one of them and you can't even remember it's name? Just based on this post, I'd say the 2D retro market doesn't sound all that great.

And besides, I know that SEGA sells consoles with their old games pre-loaded into them. So they know full well what retro gamers want. They have also released collections out on both PS3 and Xbox360 (I think, I know for PS3). So I'm pretty sure they would know whether or not the 2D retro market is one that is worth tapping into because they have sold products to them on several occasions.
I think for wii a 2d game is possible for disc. I mean look at new supre mario bros wii. I compressed the iso once and it was only 350 mb. All that in a disc of 4,7 gb.

I think a 2d sonic game could sell even more than a 3d sonic game if it were good. 3d sonic games sell okj but they now have a bad reputation. Only fans buy the games + the people that get mislead by cool trailers.

But 2d sonic is actually loved by a lot more.

For 360 it can't be helped to be DLC. And I don't know how sales work for DLC. I think maybe less?? or more? i don't know

Super mario bros wii sold 10 million, 10 friggin million

[segafanac]

If sega are indeed reading then

THIS:
http://www.shinyshiny.tv/sonic.jpg

AND THIS:
http://img11.imageshack.us/img11/8668/8wrkth4.jpg

Both match up very well and having seen that altered model with the shorter spines, I'd say drop the modern green eyes, shorten the spines and you've hit the jack pot.

Amazing how altering the 3D render ever so slightly can have such an effect on your opinion of something!

Its nice to see the Sonic that I edited is a big hit on these forums. Hopefully Sega fixes the two things I stated earlier. The quills on the Sonic 4 model are a bit too long. And of course that "jogging/walking" animation needs to be fixed. Or at least show us the stages of speed progression in the animation.

[Kooichi]

But I like the current Sonic design =O Why can't we have the current Sonic? If it was the old Sonic I wouldn't go whining about it. It' still Sonic right?

[SonicSALES]

"in a 2d adventure built from ground up"

lol

[denyeverything]

I think for wii a 2d game is possible for disc. I mean look at new supre mario bros wii. I compressed the iso once it and it was only 350 mb. All that in a disc of 4,7 gb.

I think a 2d sonic game could sell even more than a 3d sonic game if it were good. 3d sonic games sell okj but they now have a bad reputation. Only fans buy the games + the people that get mislead by cool trailers.

But 2d sonic is actually loved by a lot more.

But for 360 it can't be helped to be DLC. And I don't know how sales work for DLC. I think maybe less?? or more? i don't know

Super mario bros wii sold 10 million, 10 friggin million

Uhh. But that's Mario. Mario always sells. Mario Party 8 sold 7 million copies. Even the knock off sports games at least sells a million or two.

http://www.vgchartz.com/games/index.php?name=mario&keyword=&console=Wii&region=All&developer=&publisher=&genre=&boxart=Both&results=50&order=Hits

Mario has been been neither a figure of ridicule nor in the limbo of people's minds for over a decade. Mario has constantly been a system seller. Nintendo still has it's loyal diehards.

Sega and Sonic, not nearly as much.

http://www.vgchartz.com/games/index.php?name=sonic%27s+ultimate+genesis+collecti on&keyword=&console=&region=All&developer=&publisher=&genre=&boxart=Both&results=50&order=Hits

[thereflectiveproperty]

This 'model' stuff has got to stop. It's been quite a while since Sonic 3, and since then, they've changed Sonic's appearance...I think they're just going with continuity. Regardless, I do hope they have the 'younger' Sonic transform into the one he is today somehow.

[SonicSALES]

But I like the current Sonic design =O Why can't we have the current Sonic? If it was the old Sonic I wouldn't go whining about it. It' still Sonic right?

Not really. It hardly looks like a hedgehog for a start. If it ain't broke don't try to fix it and Sega whilst not breaking it - did damage it.

If Sonic looked like he does now in June 1991 he would have never been as popular. Classic Sonic looked cool for a start. (tubby.....oh please grow up)

Just take a leaf out of Nintendo's book - hardly messed with the Mario did they?? and I loath that stupid mother plumber!!!!

[AwesomeTails]

Uhh. But that's Mario. Mario always sells. Mario Party 8 sold 7 million copies. Even the knock off sports games at least sells a million or two.

http://www.vgchartz.com/games/index.php?name=mario&keyword=&console=Wii&region=All&developer=&publisher=&genre=&boxart=Both&results=50&order=Hits

Mario has been been neither a figure of ridicule nor in the limbo of people's minds for over a decade. Mario has constantly been a system seller. Nintendo still has it's loyal diehards.

Sega and Sonic, not nearly as much.

http://www.vgchartz.com/games/index.php?name=sonic%27s+ultimate+genesis+collecti on&keyword=&console=&region=All&developer=&publisher=&genre=&boxart=Both&results=50&order=Hits


What kind of proof is that.

Sonic hasnt made a new console 2d game in such a long time so speculating on sales is almost impossible. All i know is when i go outside of the SONIC community I see all the "neutral" people(no nostalgia ***s or modern bullcrap) always wanting a comeback to 2d gameplay.

Have you seen the reactions for the trailer. In the comment section of gamespot everyone is excited.

I got to admit, i whine alot about sonic games. But i have 6 months so i just hope they listen to us. In the end It's all about gameplay

[SonicSALES]

This 'model' stuff has got to stop. It's been quite a while since Sonic 3, and since then, they've changed Sonic's appearance...I think they're just going with continuity. Regardless, I do hope they have the 'younger' Sonic transform into the one he is today somehow.

I think it has something to do with ego as well - it's like Sega are saying, ok then - we got it wrong........he's a proper sequel to S3K.

Sega knew many would be upset at the model so they've limited it in the trailer - Sonic spends most of the clip upside down like EHZ from Sonic 2......

How can anyone think the model improves on S3K deserves a spin dash at point blank range :D

[Kooichi]

Not really. It hardly looks like a hedgehog for a start. If it ain't broke don't try to fix it and Sega whilst not breaking it - did damage it.

If Sonic looked like he does now in June 1991 he would have never been as popular. Classic Sonic looked cool for a start. (tubby.....oh please grow up)

Just take a leaf out of Nintendo's book - hardly messed with the Mario did they?? and I loath that stupid mother plumber!!!!

All Sonic did was get skinnier and older. How huge of a difference is that? They still look incredibly similar. And they both don't look like real hedgehogs! xD

[Classic Sonic]

Uhh. But that's Mario. Mario always sells. Mario Party 8 sold 7 million copies. Even the knock off sports games at least sells a million or two.

http://www.vgchartz.com/games/index.php?name=mario&keyword=&console=Wii&region=All&developer=&publisher=&genre=&boxart=Both&results=50&order=Hits

Mario has been been neither a figure of ridicule nor in the limbo of people's minds for over a decade. Mario has constantly been a system seller. Nintendo still has it's loyal diehards.

Sega and Sonic, not nearly as much.

http://www.vgchartz.com/games/index.php?name=sonic%27s+ultimate+genesis+collecti on&keyword=&console=&region=All&developer=&publisher=&genre=&boxart=Both&results=50&order=Hits
And it all started with a crappy redesign that still WON'T GO AWAY!

[Kooichi]

Didn't Sonic Rush sold more than 2 million?

[evilmajikman]

I actually played Sonic Rivals recently, it wasnt terrible but they did need to work on they way the controls handled. I dont think 4 will have that problem though. Sonic Rush was pretty good, so they proved that they can do 2.5D. I wish they would add a Classic Sonic character model to make the experience feel more complete.

[thereflectiveproperty]

I think it has something to do with ego as well - it's like Sega are saying, ok then - we got it wrong........he's a proper sequel to S3K.

Sega knew many would be upset at the model so they've limited it in the trailer - Sonic spends most of the clip upside down like EHZ from Sonic 2......

How can anyone think the model improves on S3K deserves a spin dash at point blank range :D

I feel it's what had to be done.

[SonicSALES]

All Sonic did was get skinnier and older. How huge of a difference is that? They still look incredibly similar. And they both don't look like real hedgehogs! xD

The fact they are both blue.........

[DAMN]

ooooooo damn sega! if ill ever travel to america ill kill all the sega of america for messing with this game are they out of theyre mind i just cant let it go they have to pay for making such a mockery out of sonic and us i mean everyone was hyped about this game and entered quizzes like 500 comments a day and lastly they give us that **** how dare they those *****

[matteus]

Sonic Rush was pretty good, so they proved that they can do 2.5D. I wish they would add a Classic Sonic character model to make the experience feel more complete.

I liked Sonic Rush too and the reason I'm not critical of the Sonic Model in the game is because it wasn't claiming to be going back to Sonic's retro roots...

Sonic Rush Adventure however added those crappy Zelda DS style boat travelling sections

[Gin93]

No one cared about the model back then....why now?

[Spin-Slash]

ooooooo damn sega! if ill ever travel to america ill kill all the sega of america for messing with this game are they out of theyre mind i just cant let it go they have to pay for making such a mockery out of sonic and us i mean everyone was hyped about this game and entered quizzes like 500 comments a day and lastly they give us that **** how dare they those *****

Crazy Quote of the Day. Gotta love mindless homicidal mid-teen angst like this.

I'll admit I do feel some sentimental disappointment in not seeing the strictly original Naoto Oshima Sonic design in Sonic the Hedgehog 4 of all games, and if SEGA really is willing to listen, I'd love it if they put in a shorter old-school art design/model for Sonic, Eggman, and any other characters that happens to be in the game.

However, if it's going to strain the fundamental development of the game itself, then I wouldn't lose my head over it and neither should Sonic Team. If anything, it would be a great DLC or a great bonus for buying a final compilation package for retail. Or preorder, who knows.

Actually, that'd be a great idea. Preorder the game, get all oldschool designs in place of the newer design. Otherwise, it's still the game it will be once we all play it.


No one cared about the model back then....why now?

Poor question. If there was no change in the model (and maybe if Sonic's games didn't start to suck), then few would have really cared.

[matteus]

No one cared about the model back then....why now?

I think as soon as you claim something to have retro appeal, you expect that in every aspect of the game and not just gameplay... modern games are designed to be just that modern... 3D was something that was coming in just as the era of the Mega Drive 2D Sonic games was closing and so people of that era consider retro sonic to be 2D not 2.5D or 3D.

Well thats my take on it anyway :)

[DAMN]

I liked Sonic Rush too and the reason I'm not critical of the Sonic Model in the game is because it wasn't claiming to be going back to Sonic's retro roots...

Sonic Rush Adventure however added those crappy Zelda DS style boat travelling sections

yes the did say that ken balluogh claimed it will be resimncent of the genesis games that **** liar and all we've got was 3D rendered crap with no blast processing we want it to be fast no 10 miles per hour

[DAMN]

i seriously am so angry spend like 5 hours in these forums today daaaaaaaamn

[Gin93]

God You Know what? OLd School Fans Are Stupid Ive played the old games, there not as good as they say but Enjoyable
Retro fans are...STUPID!

[Kid Craft24]

Why is it that everyone complaining over How sonic looks in the game. Like Half time your going to be Enjoying the gameplay and feel of the game while marveling at the graphics. BUT making a big fuss over whether they used the old sonic or not is stupid. Be thankful that sega' even remembered how to Make games like Sonic1-3!!!! Also if they had used The old sonic sprites it would've felt to must like an HD remake which I'm sure alot of ppl would've been disappointing about. And last why does this game have to ONLY appeal to the "Original sonic fans?" People who are new to sonic should be able to enjoy this game as well which is why i think Choosing the design they did was a good idea becuz ppl old and new have seen it before.

[Gin93]

the reason why they used the modern model is so the younger kids will recognize him

[segafanac]

Someone on Neogaf did a great sprite comparison of the Sonic games.

http://i48.tinypic.com/2i25ys8.jpg

This was perfect to illustrate my point about the length of the quills. There are two Sonic 4 models. The one listed as "what it should be" is my edit. This is a nice chart, Thank you Neogaf http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=19634108&postcount=2166

Also this post on Neogaf has a really nice 3D model of Sonic that would work perfectly in Sonic 4
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=19635573&postcount=2272

[SuperLightning]

That New "what it should be" model is sweet O_O

[FireKingX]

That New "what it should be" model is sweet O_O

Yeah I assume that would be pretty easy to fix. Emphasis on assume lol.

[SpongeAlex]

Someone on Neogaf did a great sprite comparison of the Sonic games.

http://i48.tinypic.com/2i25ys8.jpg

This was perfect to illustrate my point about the length of the quills. There are two Sonic 4 models. The one listed as "what it should be" is my edit. This is a nice chart, Thank you Neogaf http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=19634108&postcount=2166

Also this post on Neogaf has a really nice 3D model of Sonic that would work perfectly in Sonic 4
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=19635573&postcount=2272

All he did was shorten Sonic's quills...

[SuperLightning]

But it makes it look so much better :D

[FireKingX]

They all look awesome in my opinion.

[Gin93]

All he did was shorten Sonic's quills...

It Doesn't look any different.

[ezodagrom]

First was the color of the eyes and now the size of the quills? Old fans sure try to get anything to complain. >_>

[SpongeAlex]

It Doesn't look any different.

That's why I said that. The ONLY difference was the length of his quills.

[Gin93]

i think there longer to strengthen the hair in wind effect

[AwesomeTails]

Someone on Neogaf did a great sprite comparison of the Sonic games.

http://i48.tinypic.com/2i25ys8.jpg

This was perfect to illustrate my point about the length of the quills. There are two Sonic 4 models. The one listed as "what it should be" is my edit. This is a nice chart, Thank you Neogaf http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=19634108&postcount=2166

Also this post on Neogaf has a really nice 3D model of Sonic that would work perfectly in Sonic 4
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=19635573&postcount=2272

This picture just makes it more obvious why the new model is such an ugly model

[segafanac]

First was the color of the eyes and now the size of the quills? Old fans sure try to get anything to complain. >_>

The color of the eyes really dosen't bother me. What does bother me is body proportion, and the lengthy quills just don't look right.

[segafanac]

This picture just makes it more obvious why the new model is such an ugly model

Thank you! That is the point I am trying to come across....

[Gin93]

the old seem ugly

[sonicchao]

the old seem ugly

All of them look ugly.

[SpongeAlex]

All of them look ugly.

Are you talking about the 16-bit mod.. *shot*

[sonicchao]

Are you talking about the 16-bit mod.. *shot*

Everything that is Sonic is ugly.

[panzeroceania]

This is the best looking sonic

http://media.photobucket.com/image/%252522sonic%20jam%252522/roberam27/SonicJAMfront.jpg

From the Sonic Jam cover art.

old fat sonic looks retarded. Tall as hell sonic looks awkward.

black or green eyes both look awesome.

mega short quills are dumb, mega long quills are dumb

main problem with Sonic 4 Sonic model? -- the running animation is gay as hell, not only that but it looks like there are barely any transition animations, he went from a running to a standing animation with zero transition. Honestly that makes it look the worst, not only that, but it looks like we are looking at him from a 3/4 angle or something (ok not 3/4, but certainly not straight on)

I want to see what the spindash looks like.

I wasn't in love with the sonic advance or sonic rush look, but they weren't bad, this is worse.

why has no one made a game where sonic looks like the sonic jam art? he's so ****** in that!

the Sonic Jam title screen actually uses a slightly different Sonic, but it isn't bad either, it's still not as good as the sonic jam cover art, I suspect they were done by different artists.

http://info.sonicretro.org/images/thumb/9/94/Sonic_Jam_title.png/320px-Sonic_Jam_title.png

as far as sonic goes too the japanese art is always better, the USA Sonic art is pure ****, see this good Sonic 3 art from japan

this one is fan made but uses art assets from the japanese sonic 3 box
http://www.vgboxart.com/boxes/GEN/30459_sonic_the_hedgehog_3-print.png

this is the japanese sonic 3 box
http://www.blogcdn.com/nintendo.joystiq.com/media/2007/08/sonic3082107.jpg

and another fan box
http://www.vgboxart.com/view/16476/sonic.the.hedgehog.3/?replies=22

[paunchy_sonic]

This picture just makes it more obvious why the new model is such an ugly model

Really sucks!!!
I never liked this new visual but, is waste of time...
Sega never listen gamers lol