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masterball109
08-31-2010, 08:16 PM
Unlike that Mushroom Hill 3d clip, this is a real fangame that's being made.

http://img710.imageshack.us/img710/8524/sfr01.jpg

http://img200.imageshack.us/img200/6571/sfr02.jpg

http://img696.imageshack.us/img696/8949/sfr03.jpg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hgvRphEquYQ

Iconoclast
08-31-2010, 08:18 PM
Incredibly pretty.

...

So pretty, in fact, that there isn't enough focus on Sonic. It's a bit difficult keeping an eye on him.

BaronGrackle
08-31-2010, 08:18 PM
Killer whales don't belong in my Sonic universe. Pretty pictures, though. :)

masterball109
08-31-2010, 08:19 PM
Incredibly pretty.

...

So pretty, in fact, that there isn't enough focus on Sonic. It's a bit difficult keeping an eye on him.
That's true for the screens, but look at the video. It's a bit better.

ezodagrom
08-31-2010, 08:21 PM
My eyes hurt...

Vector88
08-31-2010, 08:23 PM
Well, now we changed from Mushroom Hill from Emerald Hill + SA Killer whale...they still remake levels instead of doing original ones. You should be complaining about this one too for that

wiiplayer
08-31-2010, 08:24 PM
holy **** looks great, about a 100 times better then sonic 4.:)

Sonicfan7
08-31-2010, 08:25 PM
Looks nice for a fan game. But honestly Sonic 4 looks better. It just has the style and look of a genesis game. What with whales and stuff?

Nr1_sonic&tailsfan
08-31-2010, 08:28 PM
Seriously i'm getting tired of seeing fanmade games looking better than the official sonic 4, they make sonic 4 look like the fangame fgs

wiiplayer
08-31-2010, 08:31 PM
masterball you know that the sonic 3 knuckles 3d video could be done in engine on 360/ps3 with out a problem, even the person that made the video stated it could be done easily

wiiplayer
08-31-2010, 08:34 PM
Looks nice for a fan game. But honestly Sonic 4 looks better. It just has the style and look of a genesis game. What with whales and stuff?

FULL RES PIC OF SONIC 4, SURE LOOKS BETTER



http://img84.imageshack.us/img84/8462/idea.png
http://img696.imageshack.us/img696/8949/sfr03.jpg

ezodagrom
08-31-2010, 08:35 PM
FULL RES PIC OF SONIC 4, SURE LOOKS BETTER


(lolbigpicture)

It looks simpler, which in this case makes it look better.

wiiplayer
08-31-2010, 08:37 PM
It looks simpler, which in this case makes it look better.

LOL bad taste confirmed or a bad case of fanboy goggles, its makes me wanna vomit:sick: thats how ugly it is

ezodagrom
08-31-2010, 08:37 PM
Well, at least the Sonic 4 pic doesn't make my eyes hurt.

Demise the Hedgehog
08-31-2010, 08:39 PM
Yep, seen this before. Pretty epic isn't it?

wiiplayer
08-31-2010, 08:40 PM
Well, at least the Sonic 4 pic doesn't make my eyes hurt.

sure it does, i bet if it was made by sega you would say how amazing it looks:cool:

sloth
08-31-2010, 08:40 PM
Well now that this same thread has been "remade", (Honestly it's about time :rolleyes:) I'll repeat what I thought the first time around. No, atleast not as it is clean it up a bit and then we got a winner. As it is now too much **** is going on in that game (and for the love of god this game dosen't need a whale).

ezodagrom
08-31-2010, 08:41 PM
sure it does, i bet if it was made by sega you would say how amazing it looks:cool:
No, I wouldn't. I still wouldn't like it.
If anything, the Mushroom Hill remake looks tons better than this fangame.

wiiplayer
08-31-2010, 08:42 PM
Well now that this same thread has been "remade", (Honestly it's about time :rolleyes:) I'll repeat what I thought the first time around. No, atleast not as it is clean it up a bit and then we got a winner. As it is now too much **** is going on in that game (and for the love of god this game dosen't need a whale).

whale looks ****in awesome:)

wiiplayer
08-31-2010, 08:45 PM
No, I wouldn't. I still wouldn't like it.
If anything, the Mushroom Hill remake, looks tons better than this fangame.

mushroom hill looks better but you if look at splash hill vs the first zone from the fan game, there is no comparison,just look at the pics, splash hill looks like flash game with a copy and past look

sonikku956
08-31-2010, 08:53 PM
masterball you know that the sonic 3 knuckles 3d video could be done in engine on 360/ps3 with out a problem, even the the making the video stated it could be done easily

LIES! The 360 and PS3 can't do perfect circles in 3D. Now, a downsized version, yes, that would work.

wiiplayer
08-31-2010, 08:56 PM
LIES! The 360 and PS3 can't do perfect circles in 3D. Now, a downsized version, yes, that would work.

well the maker of the video said you can, being that it would be 2.5d you don't need that much poly power

mopingskull
08-31-2010, 09:01 PM
LOL bad taste confirmed or a bad case of fanboy goggles, its makes me wanna vomit:sick: thats how ugly it is

The way I see it, you're just overly obsessed with detail. Haven't you ever heard that less is sometimes more?

wiiplayer
08-31-2010, 09:06 PM
The way I see it, you're just overly obsessed with detail. Haven't you ever heard that less is sometimes more?




take a look at the spring the floor, the zipper rail or the plateform connecting sonic to the power up, or even the cell shaded model, everything looks copy and pasted on, you like it, then wow

mopingskull
08-31-2010, 09:14 PM
take a look at the spring the floor, the zipper rail or the plateform connecting sonic to the power up, or even the cell shaded model, everything looks copy and pasted on, you like it, then wow

I like it more because it's easier on the eye, not because of how realistic or unrealistic it looks.

Dude2kx
08-31-2010, 09:17 PM
I wish there was actual progress on this fangame... last I checked it didn't even play.

wiiplayer
08-31-2010, 09:19 PM
I like it more because it's easier on the eye, not because of how realistic or unrealistic it looks.

its looks like crap to me

ezodagrom
08-31-2010, 09:21 PM
its looks like crap to me
And this, does it look bad too?
http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4137/4908084419_efd6760978_o.jpg

RinRam
08-31-2010, 09:29 PM
And this, does it look bad too?
http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4137/4908084419_efd6760978_o.jpg

I laughed :) that really does look quite good, and it does look like a sonic 2d style game & not some fan game

mopingskull
08-31-2010, 09:31 PM
its looks like crap to me

But do you agree that Sonic 4's visuals are a lot easier on the eye?

Nesplayer
08-31-2010, 09:38 PM
They look both good except Sonic 4 has less eye constraint.

SuperClassicSonic
08-31-2010, 09:40 PM
I'm pretty sure it'll be like Unleashed, you'll be going fast to the point you wont pay too much attention to the detail.
Yes, that is what Sonic 4 should have been, but we all know Sonic 4 really is just for those classic fans. Even though it contains many modern Sonic elements for some reason.

wiiplayer
08-31-2010, 09:42 PM
And this, does it look bad too?
http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4137/4908084419_efd6760978_o.jpg

well looks nice but i need to see full hd pic

wiiplayer
08-31-2010, 09:44 PM
But do you agree that Sonic 4's visuals are a lot easier on the eye?

ok i see your point

Mystery XIII
08-31-2010, 09:47 PM
LOL @ sonic's quill being on fire. I'd like to say this fangame looks awesome... but I agree with everyone TOO MUCH DETAIL. and jeez get rid of that whale man. maybe if this game toned down on the detail where its a little easier on the eyes I can definitely say it'd be awesome if ever finished. iirc the framerate suffers from all this detail too.

Edit: anyone see this? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qF1sWqtODmw&NR=1 fanmade gameplay of sonic 4, pretty cool.

LoStranger
08-31-2010, 10:10 PM
I can't believe some of you guys think Sonic 4 looks better. Sonic 4 looks like a 10 year old game while these screenshots look more like new up to date visuals

mopingskull
08-31-2010, 10:17 PM
I can't believe some of you guys think Sonic 4 looks better. Sonic 4 looks like a 10 year old game while these screenshots look more like new up to date visuals

Does being easier on the eye mean anything to anyone anymore?

LoStranger
08-31-2010, 10:22 PM
Does being easier on the eye mean anything to anyone anymore?

Sonic 4 has less detail and looks more outdated thats all I know

ezodagrom
08-31-2010, 10:24 PM
Just because a game has lots of details doesn't mean it looks better.

LoStranger
08-31-2010, 10:30 PM
Just because a game has lots of details doesn't mean it looks better.

The quality looks better the colours look better sonic looks better it looks more 3D and up to date while Sonic 4 has a very "flat" apperance this doesn't

http://img696.imageshack.us/img696/8949/sfr03.jpg


http://img84.imageshack.us/img84/8462/idea.png

speedduelist
08-31-2010, 10:33 PM
graphics doesn't make games... and the graphics are abnormally amazing which isn't good, its like the graphics eating up the game play and i imagined sonic 4 to have a good game play

i prefer this one :

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4028/4462151111_4f6978336f.jpg

specially also that the fan game is 2.5D and sonic 4 is 2D :cool:

Treacher
08-31-2010, 10:35 PM
I actually like the look Sonic 4 has, outdated prerendering or not, they could've chosen outdated 16 bit graphics ala MM9&10. I don't like how they reused zone concepts for it though. But to me it looks nice. (But I hate that upscaled picture of Splash Hill.)

wiiplayer
08-31-2010, 10:37 PM
The quality looks better the colours look better sonic looks better it looks more 3D and up to date while Sonic 4 has a very "flat" apperance this doesn't

lostranger its just people tend to have biased views, if the fan game was from sega, people here would say its looks 100 times better then sonic 4 if sonic 4 was the fan game

Vector88
08-31-2010, 10:37 PM
Maybe you shoul go and ask...Maine College of Art or the Lyme Academy College of Fine Arts for make your Sonic games instead of bringing this things here that only cause flame wars between the users

speedduelist
08-31-2010, 10:40 PM
The quality looks better the colours look better sonic looks better it looks more 3D and up to date while Sonic 4 has a very "flat" apperance this doesn't

[Low Res Pic][/IMG]

[High Res Pic]

sonic 4 is 2D and that fan game is 3D.
the fan game is visually over the limits and eating up the game play, i prefer sonic 4.

http://powrdup.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/03/sonic.jpg

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4028/4462151111_4f6978336f.jpg

http://www.sonicstadium.org/wp-content/uploads/2010/08/JP-Lost-Labyrinth-Zone-2.jpg

at least i won't have to pay much attention to the detail. i also imagined sonic 4 being 2D and not 2.5D :cool:

Treacher
08-31-2010, 10:40 PM
I like the look Sonic 4 has actually. It looks nice (to me) Outdated prerendering or not, they could've chosen outdated 16 bit graphics ala MM9&10, and I would've been ok with it. I'm not too comfortable with the reused theme zones however. (And I hate that upscaled picture of Splash Hill.)

LoStranger
08-31-2010, 10:43 PM
lostranger its just people tend to have biased views, if the fan game was from sega people here would say its looks 100 times better

agreed Sonic 4 just looks very outdated very visually uninspiring looks like a Saturn game

This fan game looks more like next gen visuals not totally but much closer.....

wiiplayer
08-31-2010, 10:45 PM
I like the look Sonic 4 has actually. It looks nice (to me) Outdated prerendering or not, they could've chosen outdated 16 bit graphics ala MM9&10, and I would've been ok with it. I'm not too comfortable with the reused theme zones however. (And I hate that upscaled picture of Splash Hill.)

thats how sonic 4 is gonna look on a 42inch flat screen

Xenofex
08-31-2010, 10:47 PM
Sonic 4 has less detail and looks more outdated thats all I know

Sonic 4 is nothing more than a HD Classic, it looks fine IMO.

speedduelist
08-31-2010, 10:49 PM
thats how sonic 4 is gonna look on a 42inch flat screen

up scaling the image would be useless to those who don't have 1080P Monitors, so your statement doesn't make any sense (and sonic 4 on XBOX360/PS3 runs in real 1080P by the way and you just unscaled a 720P Image) :cool:

wiiplayer
08-31-2010, 10:51 PM
Sonic 4 is nothing more than a HD Classic, it looks fine IMO.

doesin't make sense, the classics were the best looking games for there time, sonic 4 looks it should been made 10 years ago minus hd, this is how sonic 4 should look today http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZxXycBv3Rlk if they continued there tradition of being graphically impressive games

speedduelist
08-31-2010, 10:53 PM
graphics talk

..... :cool:

Xenofex
08-31-2010, 10:53 PM
doesin't make sense, the classics were the best looking games for there time, sonic 4 looks it should been made 10 years ago minus hd, this is how sonic 4 should look today http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZxXycBv3Rlk

That's not even a real game, and even so, I don't really like the way it looks either.

wiiplayer
08-31-2010, 10:54 PM
up scaling the image would be useless to those who don't have 1080P Monitors, so your statement doesn't make any sense (and sonic 4 on XBOX360/PS3 runs in real 1080P by the way and you just unscaled a 720P Image) :cool:

and who doesin't has a 1080p monitor nowadays

wiiplayer
08-31-2010, 10:56 PM
That's not even a real game, and even so, I don't really like the way it looks either.

new member huh, i find it funny, probably one of the furries with multiple accounts:rolleyes: you don't like the way that vid looks yet you like sonic 4, has to be speedduel with anothere account

speedduelist
08-31-2010, 10:57 PM
and who doesin't has a 1080p monitor nowadays

you unscaled a 720P Screen shot into 1080i, their for it looks jaggy. and sonic 4 episode 1 Runs at 1080P, right now we never seen a 1080P screen shot of sonic 4

http://powrdup.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/03/sonic.jpg

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4028/4462151111_4f6978336f.jpg

http://www.sonicstadium.org/wp-content/uploads/2010/08/JP-Lost-Labyrinth-Zone-2.jpg

i like those graphics better any ways, it doesn't look abnormal eating up the game play and they are 2D and not 2.5D like that fan game :cool:

Xenofex
08-31-2010, 10:58 PM
new member huh, i find it funny, probably one of the furries with multiple accounts:rolleyes:

I bet you wouldn't be saying that if I was agreeing with you?

:roll:

wiiplayer
08-31-2010, 10:59 PM
I bet you wouldn't be saying that if I was agreeing with you?

:roll:

i bet a 3 day ban that you have anothere account here

SuperClassicSonic
08-31-2010, 11:00 PM
I bet you wouldn't be saying that if I was agreeing with you?

:roll:

Welcome to the forums. Ignore Wiiplayer, he seems to like to bring insults onto people who don't agree with his opinions on video games.






.... yes, I'm serious.

Vector88
08-31-2010, 11:00 PM
i bet a 3 day ban that you have anothere account here

lol, look who's saying it

ezodagrom
08-31-2010, 11:02 PM
and who doesin't has a 1080p monitor nowadays
I don't. And I'm sure there's alot of ppl that don't have one as well.

sloth
08-31-2010, 11:02 PM
http://www.sadanduseless.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/04/469.jpg

@Masterball, face it you knew it would come to this the moment you started this thread.

Vector88
08-31-2010, 11:02 PM
I don't. And I'm sure there's alot of ppl that don't have one as well.

I don't have either

speedduelist
08-31-2010, 11:14 PM
I don't. And I'm sure there's alot of ppl that don't have one as well.

he is basically saying sonic 4 (which Supports true HD 1080P) would look like an upscale 720 Image to 1080i on a HDTV lol :cool:

ezodagrom
08-31-2010, 11:29 PM
he is basically saying sonic 4 (which Supports true HD 1080P) would look like an upscale 720 Image to 1080i on a HDTV lol :cool:
Oh...lol...

Well, then...woot, S3&K 1080p (not really).
http://img822.imageshack.us/img822/3371/s3k1080p.jpg

Tenki
08-31-2010, 11:54 PM
reading this thread and chatter about HD, I almost forgot Sonic4 was also being released on handheld devices.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v35/1tenki1/093.gif

wiiplayer
09-01-2010, 12:04 AM
been reading gaming forums all my life and i never heard people complain about the game having to much detail in my life, haters gonna hate:rolleyes:

Nr1_sonic&tailsfan
09-01-2010, 12:10 AM
Sonic was actually praised for it's detail compared to games like mario.

The mushroom hill 3d video portraits exactly why attention to detail was such a beautiful factor. Because the original mushroom hill was just as beautiful only in 16 bit 2d graphics

wiiplayer
09-01-2010, 12:14 AM
Sonic was actually praised for it's detail compared to games like mario.

The mushroom hill 3d video portraits exactly why attention to detail was such a beautiful factor. Because the original mushroom hill was just as beautiful only in 16 bit 2d graphics

people seem to think sonic 3 n knuckles had nes graphics when in reality i was blown away the first time i played sonic n knuckles the graphics, details use of color was just amazing in 1994

Kana_Minami
09-01-2010, 12:33 AM
Sonic 4 has to be playable on stuff like the Wii though, so the graphics can only be so good. Not to mention it's a downloadable game and they want it to be easily accessible to a lot of people, so if they concentrated too much on the graphics the game would be unnecessarily large in file size.

speedduelist
09-01-2010, 01:01 AM
Graphics Talk!
graphics doesn't make a game, you know.... and you do realize that that fan game is 2.5D and sonic 4 is pure 2D? :cool:

Sabin Stargem
09-01-2010, 02:36 AM
While it is true that the fangame has more detail and appears to look nicer, the question is whether or not it would be completed. All I know is that Sonic 4 is almost certain to be released, and likely to have all of the episodes completed before the fangame. Money is very good towards that end, as is corporate deadlines.

Copley Hill Zone
09-01-2010, 03:41 AM
I just don't buy the idea that is better than Sonic 4. Yes it's pretty, but the design of the landscape would make it difficult to concentrate on Sonic.

Overall I think Sonic 4's graphics have pretty much hit the mark for nostalgia VS modern look, so it's perfect as it is (IMO).

ezodagrom
09-01-2010, 08:30 AM
Sonic 4 has to be playable on stuff like the Wii though, so the graphics can only be so good. Not to mention it's a downloadable game and they want it to be easily accessible to a lot of people, so if they concentrated too much on the graphics the game would be unnecessarily large in file size.
This.
/10chars

Nieves
09-01-2010, 08:56 AM
The fangame has its ups and downs. Mainly, it looks like a bit of a mess, but it's a very very pretty mess. It demonstrates some things that Sonic 4 could do but isn't, but it isn't really demonstrating the best way to do those things.

The foregrounds are just amazing. You can't deny that. The walls, the leaves, the grass, and the trees all look stellar, especially the simple walls themselves. They are an example of exactly what is so good about adding detail. The problem is that they're a bit overkill with colour and saturation; Sonic himself fades away while some other things, like those big leaves, don't when they should. They're fantastic to look at in a scene but not when Sonic is supposed to have your focus. But in terms of detail alone those foregrounds fart on the best of Sonic 4. Look at the 2nd pic... you can even see the shadow of the vines falling across Sonic.

It also shows what a difference it makes to use some decent textures instead of fugly pre-renders. Technically there shouldn't even be a difference but just look at Splash Hill's blurry blur plastic that's perfectly flat, compared to the messy yet crisp terrain of the fan vid. Absolutely sharp without having to draw geometrically perfect slopes.

In the other direction, the fangame has its share of mistakes too. The saturation is already heavy then when it's on top of that background... that is a a bit too nasty. In my opinion he needs to throw out the entire background wholesale.

The whale, well, it could be overkill, or it could be great if done well. Again a very pretty scene but in game it could easily be too obvious a money shot unless woven into the game properly. Now if that was a killer badnik whale, we might have something to write home about. The smashed blocks look great... I wonder if they're 2D or 3D... and the bridge looks good. The waterfall is ok.

Some of the aliasing, ie trees and coconuts, is ugly.

Overall its another example of graphical heights that Sonic 4 isn't even striving for, but it does come with a fair few mistakes admittedly, mainly being just too intense. He's got the looks and the skill there, he just needs to apply it better. Imo.

It's certainly more inspiring than crisp 3D starposts on top of blurry pre-rendered plastic grass in front of a of blurry pre-rendered tree. I never noticed how bad that looked until that HD image back there. It's going to drive me nuts having to not-look at all the places it does this. Splash Hill's simplicity doesn't make it beautiful, it makes it tolerable. More tolerable than this fangame I think, but through all its mess, less beautiful.

1994
09-01-2010, 09:09 AM
If it weren't for the (barely noticeable) black eyes and buckle-less shoes, he almost looks like Modern Sonic in Sonic 4.

It sure does look pretty.
That's about it, no music, no real look at physics, level design, stage themes.

mopingskull
09-01-2010, 09:29 AM
Sonic was actually praised for it's detail compared to games like mario.

The mushroom hill 3d video portraits exactly why attention to detail was such a beautiful factor. Because the original mushroom hill was just as beautiful only in 16 bit 2d graphics

Nah, graphical comparison was more of a battle between the SNES and Genesis consoles, and Mario and Sonic games were just the guinea pigs that demonstrated their capabilities. After all, it's the console that determines the graphics, not so much the game itself.

speedduelist
09-01-2010, 09:32 AM
It sure does look pretty.
That's about it, no music, no real look at physics, level design, stage themes.

This and next to the fact that sonic 4 is pure 2D and that fan game is 2.5D :cool:

wiiplayer
09-01-2010, 09:36 AM
The fangame has its ups and downs. Mainly, it looks like a bit of a mess, but it's a very very pretty mess. It demonstrates some things that Sonic 4 could do but isn't, but it isn't really demonstrating the best way to do those things.

The foregrounds are just amazing. You can't deny that. The walls, the leaves, the grass, and the trees all look stellar, especially the simple walls themselves. They are an example of exactly what is so good about adding detail. The problem is that they're a bit overkill with colour and saturation; Sonic himself fades away while some other things, like those big leaves, don't when they should. They're fantastic to look at in a scene but not when Sonic is supposed to have your focus. But in terms of detail alone those foregrounds fart on the best of Sonic 4. Look at the 2nd pic... you can even see the shadow of the vines falling across Sonic.

It also shows what a difference it makes to use some decent textures instead of fugly pre-renders. Technically there shouldn't even be a difference but just look at Splash Hill's blurry blur plastic that's perfectly flat, compared to the messy yet crisp terrain of the fan vid. Absolutely sharp without having to draw geometrically perfect slopes.

In the other direction, the fangame has its share of mistakes too. The saturation is already heavy then when it's on top of that background... that is a a bit too nasty. In my opinion he needs to throw out the entire background wholesale.

The whale, well, it could be overkill, or it could be great if done well. Again a very pretty scene but in game it could easily be too obvious a money shot unless woven into the game properly. Now if that was a killer badnik whale, we might have something to write home about. The smashed blocks look great... I wonder if they're 2D or 3D... and the bridge looks good. The waterfall is ok.

Some of the aliasing, ie trees and coconuts, is ugly.

Overall its another example of graphical heights that Sonic 4 isn't even striving for, but it does come with a fair few mistakes admittedly, mainly being just too intense. He's got the looks and the skill there, he just needs to apply it better. Imo.

It's certainly more inspiring than crisp 3D starposts on top of blurry pre-rendered plastic grass in front of a of blurry pre-rendered tree. I never noticed how bad that looked until that HD image back there. It's going to drive me nuts having to not-look at all the places it does this. Splash Hill's simplicity doesn't make it beautiful, it makes it tolerable. More tolerable than this fangame I think, but through all its mess, less beautiful.

excellent post. splash hill zone is pure ugliness :cool:

GreenHills4Ever
09-01-2010, 09:49 AM
I remember this,Move along people move along.

-Sonic~Boom-
09-01-2010, 09:52 AM
Am I the only one who thinks this is a bit over the top? The only thing I like is how the classic Sonic model looks.

speedduelist
09-01-2010, 10:01 AM
Am I the only one who thinks this is a bit over the top? The only thing I like is how the classic Sonic model looks.

agreed, most of the people who bashed sonic 4 in this topic are only talking about the graphics comparison to sonic 4 for some reasons... its like they want sonic 4 to be a down loadable graphic showcase for some reasons... :cool:

wiiplayer
09-01-2010, 10:10 AM
agreed, most of the people who bashed sonic 4 in this topic are only talking about the graphics comparison to sonic 4 for some reasons... its like they want sonic 4 to be a down loadable graphic showcase for some reasons... :cool:

what's wrong with wanted sonic 4 to be a graphical showcase, almost every sonic fan wants sonic 4 to look as good as possible, why the hell do you think this video got so much views http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZxXycBv3Rlk its basically sonic n knuckles with nextgen graphics.

1994
09-01-2010, 10:15 AM
This and next to the fact that sonic 4 is pure 2D and that fan game is 2.5D :cool:

2.5D is a scrub's way of saying 2D gameplay with 3D models, it's a redundant term.

Vector88
09-01-2010, 10:19 AM
what's wrong with wanted sonic 4 to be a graphical showcase, almost every sonic fan wants sonic 4 to look as good as possible, why the hell do you think this video got so much views http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZxXycBv3Rlk its basically sonic n knuckles with nextgen graphics.

Dude, if you really want a game like that, why don't you go to the Bauhaus and ask them to make you a Sonic game with those kind of graphics instead of coming here?

shihe
09-01-2010, 10:37 AM
2.5D is a scrub's way of saying 2D gameplay with 3D models, it's a redundant term.

Finally agree with you on something.
I never liked the term 2.5D (but I admit, it gets the point across faster).

wiiplayer
09-01-2010, 10:45 AM
Dude, if you really want a game like that, why don't you go to the Bauhaus and ask them to make you a Sonic game with those kind of graphics instead of coming here?

the only people that could make a full sonic game like that is sega, since they can sell sonic, fangames just do it for fun instead of profit, since they can't sell sonic or make profit we might get a zone or 2 at best. neway im not the only one, in one week that video has more views then any sonic 4 video, the people have spoken in terms of what they want, there is no argument that video is a sonic' fan dream come true

Tenki
09-01-2010, 10:50 AM
what's wrong with wanted sonic 4 to be a graphical showcase, almost every sonic fan wants sonic 4 to look as good as possible, why the hell do you think this video got so much views http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZxXycBv3Rlk its basically sonic n knuckles with nextgen graphics.

There are many people who consider S3&K to be the pinnacle of Sonic games. Since that video portrays the familiar physics/gameplay (and I guess as a bonus, a familiar map lol) that many fans have wanted AND upgraded graphics, it's basically an inspirational peek at 'what could have been', at least, in terms of an HD S&K.

However, there's always sort of this fear that amazing artistic aspects (story, art) mean some loss in other aspects, like gameplay. Rationally, there shouldn't be a fear, but there have just been prominent cases where you'd have amazing graphics/music/cinematics but an ugly player experience.

You know, kind of like a certain graphical showcase called Final Fantasy XIII. It's graphically a beautiful game, but it was in bargain bins soon after release day in Japan lol.

Anyway, the fangame would probably have more <3 if it had shown some more gameplay than ... well, what it had lol.

wiiplayer
09-01-2010, 10:59 AM
There are many people who consider S3&K to be the pinnacle of Sonic games. Since that video portrays the familiar physics/gameplay (and I guess as a bonus, a familiar map lol) that many fans have wanted AND upgraded graphics, it's basically an inspirational peek at 'what could have been', at least, in terms of an HD S&K.

However, there's always sort of this fear that amazing artistic aspects (story, art) mean some loss in other aspects, like gameplay. Rationally, there shouldn't be a fear, but there have just been prominent cases where you'd have amazing graphics/music/cinematics and ugly gameplay.

You know, kind of like a certain graphical showcase called Final Fantasy XIII.

exactly but we already got that in sonic 3 knuckles, the only thing never seen in that vid is the amazing graphics it basically what sonic fans want amazing graphics with classics physics engine and gameplay if its called sonic 4 then of course we want new levels, bosses and badnicks

final fantasy is a 50 hour fully 3d game, the fact that fangames are trying to make this video come true, sega can sure has hell make this happen, they can even use the hedgehog engine from unleashed and probably get better results then that vid

Kana_Minami
09-01-2010, 11:08 AM
The graphics for Sonic 4 are fine. Lost Labyrinth looks sexy. The end.

speedduelist
09-01-2010, 11:08 AM
the only people that could make a full sonic game like that is sega, since they can sell sonic and fangames just do it for fun instead of profit, since they can't sell sonic or make profit. neway im not the only one, in one week that video has more views then any sonic 4 video, the people have spoken interms of what they want

and its not going to happen, End of the story :D

the best thing you could do is :

- Create your own fan game
- Play Other People's Fan Games
- Play Any Game that Has Graphics that impresses you since its like the only thing you care about

that is it. sonic team and dimps already decided the direction of the visual quality of sonic 4 :

http://gamerant.com/wp-content/uploads/Sonic-4-Gameplay-3-570x320.jpg.

http://www.tssznews.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/08/pic02_07.jpg

hopefully you Enjoy those because that what we are getting (Graphics wise), if you will keep crying why sonic 4's graphics doesn't sound like a fan game/movies graphics, then its no use, sonic team/dimps aren't going to make it happen. i am sorry its a sad fact for you, now i suggest you live with it and stop crying here, cheers

and bonus : i don't know about you but i don't want sonic 3 successor to be a graphic show case but i want it to be a true successor to the game play of sonic 3. not the graphics (See how Sonic 06 was received for example) :cool:

wiiplayer
09-01-2010, 11:12 AM
The graphics for Sonic 4 are fine. Lost Labyrinth looks sexy. The end.

LL is the only zone i can say looks good graphically, the rest are average with splash hill being ugly as ****.

wiiplayer
09-01-2010, 11:14 AM
and its not going to happen, End of the story

the best thing you could do is :

- Create your own fan game
- Play Other People's Fan Games
- Play Any Game that Has Graphics that impresses you since its like the only thing you care about

that is it. sonic team and dimps already decided the direction of the visual quality of sonic 4 :

http://gamerant.com/wp-content/uploads/Sonic-4-Gameplay-3-570x320.jpg.

http://www.tssznews.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/08/pic02_07.jpg

hopefully you Enjoy those because that what we are getting (Graphics wise), if you will keep crying why sonic 4's graphics doesn't sound like a fan game/movies graphics, then its no use, sonic team/dimps aren't going to make it happen. i am sorry its a sad fact for you, now i suggest you live with it and stop crying here, cheers

and bonus : i don't want sonic 3 successor to be a graphic show care but a true successor to the game play. not the graphics (See how Sonic 06 was received for example) :cool:

ill buy it if its 10$ and has the classic physics, othere then that, if its still plays and has the same physics as the leak you can keep this turd:)

1994
09-01-2010, 11:14 AM
There's nothing wrong with wanting Sonic 4 to be a "graphical showcase" as some would put it, but just months ago, the game was hated for not being 16 bit.

wiiplayer
09-01-2010, 11:21 AM
There's nothing wrong with wanting Sonic 4 to be a "graphical showcase" as some would put it, but just months ago, the game was hated for not being 16 bit.

amazing graphics=hype
http://i53.tinypic.com/azf2pk.jpghttp://farm5.static.flickr.com/4145/4948450266_5fab124580_b.jpg

people are are already going crazy cause the graphics in the new batman look amazing, now imagine if the had average graphics, hype would down x1000

Vector88
09-01-2010, 11:22 AM
amazing graphics=hype
*omg big pic*

people are are already going crazy cause the graphics in the new batman look amazing.

Here we go again, comparing it with other genre games and that also aren't DLC like this one

wiiplayer
09-01-2010, 11:24 AM
Here we go again, comparing it with other genre games and that also aren't DLC like this one

im not comparing, im stating the graphics = big hype and better sales, most of the time, especially on 360/ps3

speedduelist
09-01-2010, 11:28 AM
im not comparing, im stating the graphics = big hype and better sales, most of the time, especially on 360/ps3

ok, start a new thread here instead :

http://forums.sega.com/forumdisplay.php?f=47

- their is no point of wanting fan games graphics to be in sonic 4, when sonic 4 graphics won't change in the way you want

- their is no point of saying graphics = hype in a sonic 4 forum

i hope it helps :cool:

1994
09-01-2010, 11:35 AM
He has a point.
The hype of a classic Sonic game should be in the gameplay.

And as much as I hate opening that can of worms, it's quite true.
And I don't know about anyone else, namely wiiplayer, but graphics alone do not hype me, no matter how commendable they may be.

Outrunner
09-01-2010, 11:46 AM
I'm tired of this. I would like to see an oficial opinion Yuji Naka on Sonic 4 and all the Fan Games that have been jumping up. I miss Yuji.

wiiplayer
09-01-2010, 11:46 AM
He has a point.
The hype of a classic Sonic game should be in the gameplay.

And as much as I hate opening that can of worms, it's quite true.
And I don't know about anyone else, namely wiiplayer, but graphics alone do not hype me, no matter how commendable they may be.

of course graphics wont hype you alone but its the first thing we look at in games that we like, what you favorite type of games now imagine with the best graphics this gen, say your a batman fan there is no way those pics won't get you hyped, unless you hate the gameplay

http://www.ugo.com/images/galleries/batmanbegins_games/1.jpg

would batmans fans be hyped for this if the new batman coming out looked like this

GreenHills4Ever
09-01-2010, 12:21 PM
of course graphics wont hype you alone but its the first thing we look at in games that we like, what you favorite type of games now imagine with the best graphics this gen, say your a batman fan there is no way those pics won't get you hyped, unless you hate the gameplay

http://www.ugo.com/images/galleries/batmanbegins_games/1.jpg

would batmans fans be hyped for this if the new batman coming out looked like this

Ugh,Listen;Batman Arkham Asylum is known for being the first GREAT batman game;the reason why people are hyped for the next IS BECAUSE IT'S THE SEQUEL TO THE BEST BATMAN GAME EVER!

wiiplayer
09-01-2010, 12:29 PM
Ugh,Listen;Batman Arkham Asylum is known for being the first GREAT batman game;the reason why people are hyped for the next IS BECAUSE IT'S THE SEQUEL TO THE BEST BATMAN GAME EVER!

i know but having great graphics is a huge pluse

Nieves
09-01-2010, 12:30 PM
Graphics used to mean sales, then they invented the Wii.

But yes, I would like to see a 2D Sonic where you can see they've really tried to do something impressive.

I think that fangame is no more 2.5D than Splash Hill is.

1994
09-01-2010, 12:31 PM
Batman Arkham Asylum is known for being the first GREAT batman game

Scrubs don't know about the NES game.

wiiplayer
09-01-2010, 12:32 PM
Scrubs don't know about the NES game.

i know about it, it was great but so was batman and robin on genesis:) also anybody notice the best looking games most of the time come with great gameplay

-Sonic~Boom-
09-01-2010, 12:39 PM
We are in a Sonic forum.
Batman? o.O

Kana_Minami
09-01-2010, 12:43 PM
Batman is always relevant. ALWAYS.

Rei Entri
09-01-2010, 12:49 PM
This whole thing is retarded because I could name a "better" fanmade Sonic 1, 2 3 or Knuckles....Or list flaws with them and nitpick those games to hell. I don't see the purpose in saying "Hey check this out, it's what STH4 should be." If that's true, go play that and be happy.

What some would like it to be:

Fans: Sonic 4 could be either more classic or more graphically intense.
SEGA: Well we'll make each episode graphically diverse and different in gameplay, so that each episode will offer something that the core groups of fans would like. Episode 1 will be for modern fans, Episode 2 will have Sonic, Tails and Knuckles and focus on classic gameplay and style, and Episodes 3 and 4 will also be different.

How it is:

SEGA: "Oh. Okay. Let us just scrap Sonic 4 since you don't like it and make some nerd's wet dream. Cool story, bro."
Fans: "You're mean."
SEGA: "No, we're rich. Deal with it. And despite your complaints, we'll be even richer when this explodes on Live, Wii and PSN."

Outrunner
09-01-2010, 12:54 PM
I think the true point in here is, it is easy to make a fangame that is better than a game that is 20 years old. But when you have fangames being shown up, weeks before an oficial game, and that actually have elements that should be part of that oficial game.

Rei Entri
09-01-2010, 01:10 PM
I think the true point in here is, it is easy to make a fangame that is better than a game that is 20 years old. But when you have fangames being shown up, weeks before an oficial game, and that actually have elements that should be part of that oficial game.

Right, but that's only in focus of this game. Let's look at modern game mods and creations. Do you play PC games? Did you know that Left 4 Dead was based on Counter Strike's mod "Zombie Panic" and "Zombie Mod", which in and of itself, CS was based on Half Life 2? Of all those games Valve only made Half Life and Left 4 Dead.

They bought the others and brought in the creators as members of the team. Those games were so good that Valve just decided to make them official and cash in on the gamers playing those games.

Take a nice stroll through video game modding, fans will always, and always have made "better" games or mods than the actual developers, because they are the fans.


Regardless, the game is 2D...the technology for this has been around for a very long time, and I'm not surprised that fans can make a "better" demo. But show me a completed, polished and finished fanmade STH4 that is "better" than the actual game.

I have yet to see that. For all people's talk, all I'm seeing are renders, clips and videos. Nothing substantial, nothing finished. I wonder why.

Rei Entri
09-01-2010, 01:13 PM
Ugh,Listen;Batman Arkham Asylum is known for being the first GREAT batman game;the reason why people are hyped for the next IS BECAUSE IT'S THE SEQUEL TO THE BEST BATMAN GAME EVER!

Derp. Batman: AA is the best Batman game because it's the newest Batman game and done well.

Hypothetically, if game developers do what they're supposed to, each new game in a series should be the best game of that series.

It was true for Spider-Man until Ultimate Spider-Man came out...And anything after SM2.

Sonicandknuxx
09-01-2010, 02:35 PM
Wow, those graphics are amazing! It's beautiful...

SonicGamer100
09-01-2010, 02:36 PM
wiiplayer should be proud.

1994
09-01-2010, 03:05 PM
Funny thing about fangames is that they bear no budget, no deadline, no profit, no licensing, no dev teams (outside of 3 or 4 people in-house).

"Gee guys, what fangame should we work on now?"
"Let's try Sonic, lets makes a 12 second teaser of super cool graphics with a shot of Sonic running through, without showing anything else, no music, sounds, physics, themes, stages, or anything, and not show any updates on it for months, as well as any sign of completion."
"They'll say it's better than Sonic 4."
"I don't see why, we didn't really show anything."
"Don't worry, we have bias on our side."

Solaris Paradox
09-01-2010, 03:08 PM
...We've done this before, haven't we?

I agree that Sonic 4 looks too "flat" (at least in Splash Hill Zone), but I also agree with the criticism about the fangame having too much visual noise going on.

sloth
09-01-2010, 03:12 PM
...We've done this before, haven't we?

Ah Solaris, doesn't this take you back?

DJGameFreakTheIguana
09-01-2010, 05:06 PM
Funny thing about fangames is that they bear no budget, no deadline, no profit, no licensing, no dev teams (outside of 3 or 4 people in-house).

"Gee guys, what fangame should we work on now?"
"Let's try Sonic, lets makes a 12 second teaser of super cool graphics with a shot of Sonic running through, without showing anything else, no music, sounds, physics, themes, stages, or anything, and not show any updates on it for months, as well as any sign of completion."
"They'll say it's better than Sonic 4."
"I don't see why, we didn't really show anything."
"Don't worry, we have bias on our side."
That last line made me LMAO. If anything, I still say sonic nebulous has the rest of the fan games beat, but since the awesomeness of that game is too much for people so they resort to bashing it, Sonic CB is a good choice. Not better, but it at least has tails:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PJPBnk31kdU

X)

Shadow2050
09-01-2010, 05:17 PM
the video clip looks really bad...

LoStranger
09-01-2010, 05:29 PM
been reading gaming forums all my life and i never heard people complain about the game having to much detail in my life, haters gonna hate:rolleyes:

exactly lol

sonic 4 looks outdated old boring looks like a handheld game the only thing saving this is that its 1080p This whud make a great PSP game

I have no idea why ppl are talking about the gameplay of that fan made game because that wasn't the point of this thread the point of the thread was to show the graphical difference between the two screenshots and it seems the fanboys are having a hard time accepting which screenshot clearly shows superior graphical diffrence

Copley Hill Zone
09-01-2010, 06:04 PM
There is always a balance to be struck in everything. Yes, "over-detailing" can occur, and it can seriously detract from a game's actual intentions if over-done.

No, I don't think Sonic 4 is over done. It sits somewhere between "alright" and "perfect" for me, not quite matching either.

The fangame sits on "beautiful" but "cluttered" - and it IS cluttered. The brightness of the landscape doesn't tend to showing up Sonic, at all. Half the reason Sonic is blue is because everything else isn't...! ;)

A generalisation perhaps, but Sonic should stand out in the landscape - be the most visible part, in fact, to aid controlling him. In the fangame, he isn't as visible, and the landscape is therefore distracting.

That doesn't mean it's not beautiful. It does mean it's not suited to a video game.

Nr1_sonic&tailsfan
09-01-2010, 06:06 PM
why don't you just strut that *** CPZ

DJGameFreakTheIguana
09-01-2010, 06:10 PM
I have no idea why ppl are talking about the gameplay of that fan made game because that wasn't the point of this thread the point of the thread was to show the graphical difference between the two screenshots and it seems the fanboys are having a hard time accepting which screenshot clearly shows superior graphical diffrence
I've got two things to add, and it's not to flame you:
This is DLC after, and most DLC games don't have 3D graphics such as presented in the OP, none that I've seen anyway. Now, sonic 4 doesn't look same as most DLC games graphics, but then again, neither do the sly cooper games compared to the other games released around the time, but nothing was bad about that game, why Sonic 4? Unless pre-rendered is that jarring for you? Anyway, yeah, the fan game has much better graphics and detail in my point of view, but I don't see why that discredits sonic 4.

X)

FlameTheFox
09-01-2010, 06:16 PM
Fun-fact: The SEGA boards was the first place the creator announced this fan-game on.

Treacher
09-01-2010, 06:22 PM
I've got two things to add, and it's not to flame you:
This is DLC after, and most DLC games don't have 3D graphics such as presented in the OP, none that I've seen anyway. Now, sonic 4 doesn't look same as most DLC games graphics, but then again, neither do the sly cooper games compared to the other games released around the time, but nothing was bad about that game, why Sonic 4? Unless pre-rendered is that jarring for you? Anyway, yeah, the fan game has much better graphics and detail in my point of view, but I don't see why that discredits sonic 4.

X)

It's still possible for DLC games to have those kinds of graphics :/. (Also, wiiplayer will hound you for this post.) Then again, it's on the Wii and ipod touch/iphone, they would have to make different versions of the game, and after Unleashed, no one wants to end up on the short end of the stick. All I heard is that the other versions won't be in HD/>480p.

wiiplayer
09-01-2010, 06:22 PM
I've got two things to add, and it's not to flame you:
This is DLC after, and most DLC games don't have 3D graphics such as presented in the OP, none that I've seen anyway. Now, sonic 4 doesn't look same as most DLC games graphics, but then again, neither do the sly cooper games compared to the other games released around the time, but nothing was bad about that game, why Sonic 4? Unless pre-rendered is that jarring for you? Anyway, yeah, the fan game has much better graphics and detail in my point of view, but I don't see why that discredits sonic 4.

X)
Shadow Complex
Battlefield 1943
LARA croft game
Portal: Still Alive
trailers hd

the first 2 games look much better then the sonic fan game, these are just a few impressive looking games on XBLA

edit: already beaten by teacher

Treacher
09-01-2010, 06:29 PM
@DJ: Told ya.:cool:

wiiplayer
09-01-2010, 06:32 PM
@DJ: Told ya.:cool:

damn i'm gonna buy shadow complex looks unbelievable, also with sonic 4 being episodic and being a very short game it could look as good as GOW3 if it wanted to

DJGameFreakTheIguana
09-01-2010, 06:44 PM
It's still possible for DLC games to have those kinds of graphics :/.
Ok, I'm wasn't really sure myself, since I haven't seen anything DLC with that much detail, but now that you mention it, I do remember the watchmen was DLC. I forgot about the game because it is DLC, and I have no way to get it right now. Back to sonic 4, I also remember that one guy (Ken Bulough?) said they were always trying to achive this even on the genesis, so they used the graphics as you see now. I mean, it plain as day to see that this is alos another feature to welcome the classic fans this is aimed for.


(Also, wiiplayer will hound you for this post.)
Wiiplayer can be on a prom date with santa claus on the moon for all I care. :cool:


Then again, it's on the Wii and ipod touch/iphone, they would have to make different versions of the game, and after Unleashed, no one wants to end up on the short end of the stick.
Dat's understandable.


All I heard is that the other versions won't be in HD/>480p.
Well, I've been missing out on all this HD bidness, so this not being HD is no problem for me.

X)

wiiplayer
09-01-2010, 06:49 PM
Ok, I'm wasn't really sure myself, since I haven't seen anything DLC with that much detail, but now that you mention it, I do remember the watchmen was DLC. I forgot about the game because it is DLC, and I have no way to get it right now. Back to sonic 4, I also remember that one guy (Ken Bulough?) said they were always trying to achive this even on the genesis, so they used the graphics as you see now. I mean, it plain as day to see that this is alos another feature to welcome the classic fans this is aimed for.



X)

pr BS, sonic games has always had the best graphics for its time, making it look like it was made in 1996 is not what fans wanted, i sure as hell didint want sonic n knuckles to look like a nintendo game game back in the day why would i want it now, its pr talk so they can make a low budget game with crappy tech and keep at a very low budget

DJGameFreakTheIguana
09-01-2010, 06:55 PM
pr BS, sonic games has always had the best graphics for its time, making it look like it was made in 1996 is not what fans wanted, i sure as hell didint want sonic n knuckles to look like a nintendo game game back in the day why would i want it now, its pr talk so they can make a low budget game with crappy tech and keep at a very low budget
Yeah, but anything concerning sonic 4 is crappy to you though, and this game doesn't look like it was done in 1996, or it would at least look like sonic R's or fighters' graphics. Also, you really don't know what fans want these days, and I'm not sure you even know what you want. You say this isn't what sonic fans want, as if all of us agree with you. Matter a fact, I don't really care about the graphics, just the gameplay, so I wont continue this with you. You can scream low budget all you want to, but even if these graphics are low budget, there's nothing wrong with them, and your just bashing it for not being what want them to be, which is childish.

X)

wiiplayer
09-01-2010, 07:06 PM
Yeah, but anything concerning sonic 4 is crappy to you though, and this game doesn't look like it was done in 1996, or it would at least look like sonic R's or fighters' graphics. Also, you really don't know what fans want these days, and I'm not sure you even know what you want. You say this isn't what sonic fans want, as if all of us agree with you. Matter a fact, I don't really care about the graphics, just the gameplay, so I wont continue this with you. You can scream low budget all you want to, but even if these graphics are low budget, there's nothing wrong with them, and your just bashing it for not being what want them to be, which is childish.

X)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZxXycBv3Rlk look at the comments buddy this is what the fans want, its really simple, we have never got a 2d game on consoles for the past 16 years, we want the physics and gameplay from the classics in a new graphiclly amazing package, with, new zones, bosses

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y3Dd6fp3nlc now take a look at this, nintendo always gets it right

DJGameFreakTheIguana
09-01-2010, 07:22 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZxXycBv3Rlk look at the comments buddy this is what the fans want, its really simple, we have never got a 2d game on consoles for the past 16 years, we want the physics and gameplay from the classics in a new graphiclly amazing package, with, new zones, bosses
I was only talking about graphics. You veered way off to spam a video that people are actually comparing to a game, which is sad. It's a video, get over it.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y3Dd6fp3nlc now take a look at this, nintendo always gets it right
What makes this better than sonic 4? BTW, need I remind you it's been forever since a donkey game actually played like a donkey game, so your response should be "nintendo finally gets it right". At least sonic's core gameplay remained intact in the modern titles, and don't bring up the multiple gameplay mechs, because I'm only talking about sonic. Donkey since the N64 game has had a rhythm spin-off, some swing game, and a GBA remake of DKC that was released only in japan(I think that was at least, I heard nothing about it, and I was well informed on games back in the GBA era).

X)

Tenki
09-01-2010, 07:27 PM
Many people get bought out by graphics and hype, but past that, the actual game better be good enough to be worth buying - otherwise, it won't propagate. I think FFXIII kinda lucked out a bit because despite the fact that people were dropping the game like crazy, fan hopefuls probably bought it thinking "there's no way they could have messed up Final Fantasy- FFFFFFFFFFFUUUUUUUuuuuuu" and dropping it too.

If you wanna bring up the "Nintendo always gets it right", remember how they were pretty much like "SCREW YOU" to the graphics-hype wars and went the path of disruption/aimed for attracting people with gameplay. In the 90s, we wanted to see better graphics, and the quality improved immensely. You look around you and you're surrounded by good graphics and cinematics, but those don't make games good.

Anyway, the graphical videlity in DKC was nice, but it's still less cluttered than the fangame. IMO that's more akin to the kind of graphical design that Sonic 4 has.



At least sonic's core gameplay remained intact in the modern titles, and don't bring up the multiple gameplay mechs, because I'm only talking about sonic. Donkey since the N64 game has had a rhythm spin-off, some swing game, and a GBA remake of DKC that was released only in japan(I think that was at least, I heard nothing about it, and I was well informed on games back in the GBA era).
inb4werehog.

But what you mean to say is that Sonic games at least retained the Sonic aspect in some form or fashion lol.

DJGameFreakTheIguana
09-01-2010, 07:40 PM
Many people get bought out by graphics and hype, but past that, the actual game better be good enough to be worth buying - otherwise, it won't propagate. I think FFXIII kinda lucked out a bit because despite the fact that people were dropping the game like crazy, fan hopefuls probably bought it thinking "there's no way they could have messed up Final Fantasy- FFFFFFFFFFFUUUUUUUuuuuuu" and dropping it too.

If you wanna bring up the "Nintendo always gets it right", remember how they were pretty much like "SCREW YOU" to the graphics-hype wars and went the path of disruption/aimed for attracting people with gameplay. In the 90s, we wanted to see better graphics, and the quality improved immensely. You look around you and you're surrounded by good graphics and cinematics, but those don't make games good.

Anyway, the graphical videlity in DKC was nice, but it's still less cluttered than the fangame. IMO that's more akin to the kind of graphical design that Sonic 4 has.
Excellent points tenkai. :cool:




inb4werehog.

But what you mean to say is that Sonic games at least retained the Sonic aspect in some form or fashion lol.
That's exactly what I was saying, I mean after all, I did say this:

At least sonic's core gameplay remained intact in the modern titles, and don't bring up the multiple gameplay mechs, because I'm only talking about sonic.
That' as clear as I could make it. I did enjoy the warehog though, but I ain't knockin' normal sonic gameplay. :cool:

X)

wiiplayer
09-01-2010, 08:02 PM
I was only talking about graphics. You veered way off to spam a video that people are actually comparing to a game, which is sad. It's a video, get over it.


What makes this better than sonic 4? BTW, need I remind you it's been forever since a donkey game actually played like a donkey game, so your response should be "nintendo finally gets it right". At least sonic's core gameplay remained intact in the modern titles, and don't bring up the multiple gameplay mechs, because I'm only talking about sonic. Donkey since the N64 game has had a rhythm spin-off, some swing game, and a GBA remake of DKC that was released only in japan(I think that was at least, I heard nothing about it, and I was well informed on games back in the GBA era).

X)

have you seen the wii version of sonic 4 its looks like ****, the only thing saving it is being hd

ARingcade
09-01-2010, 08:07 PM
what's wrong with wanted sonic 4 to be a graphical showcase, almost every sonic fan wants sonic 4 to look as good as possible, why the hell do you think this video got so much views http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZxXycBv3Rlk its basically sonic n knuckles with nextgen graphics.

It's basically just one BIG Little Big planet rip off visual wise. And When I think of LBP I think endless possibilities..When I thing sonic..I think Run and jump.

DJGameFreakTheIguana
09-01-2010, 08:08 PM
have you seen the wii version of sonic 4 its looks like ****, the only thing saving it is being hd
Way to dodge anything I said to you. How the hell could I say the game looks good (Which I've said many times and you know it), if I never saw it? I mean really?

BTW, if the Wii version looks like ****, then what do the other versions look like, if there's any difference?


Originally Posted by wiiplayer
what's wrong with wanted sonic 4 to be a graphical showcase almost every sonic fan wants sonic 4 to look as good as possible
There's nothing wrong with that wanting better graphics, and I can see if fans want to see it looks as good as it can be, but it's the fact that you and many others are acting like babies over the fact that it's not. If this was 2D or enhanced 3D graphics, we'd still have the same game regardless. Get over it


why the hell do you think this video got so much views http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZxXycBv3Rlk its basically sonic n knuckles with nextgen graphics.
Because it's a nice looking video. If I saw Earthworm Jim, streets of rage, or toejam & earl with such graphics, I'd praise those videos to, however there are two Key points:

1. It's a only a video

2. I wouldn't p*** and moan if said games didn't have such graphics, and the visuals don't dictate the gameplay.

X)

LoStranger
09-01-2010, 08:10 PM
I've got two things to add, and it's not to flame you:
This is DLC after, and most DLC games don't have 3D graphics such as presented in the OP, none that I've seen anyway. Now, sonic 4 doesn't look same as most DLC games graphics, but then again, neither do the sly cooper games compared to the other games released around the time, but nothing was bad about that game, why Sonic 4? Unless pre-rendered is that jarring for you? Anyway, yeah, the fan game has much better graphics and detail in my point of view, but I don't see why that discredits sonic 4.

X)

I and wiiplayer just dnt want a game that visually looks like a 10 year old game I mean even the boss battles look 15 years old


Sega seem to be struggling with a VERY simple concept here:

People WANT Old school 2D gameplay (with a few refinements new moves, new power-ups) and new CURRENT gen graphics

Street Fighter 4 and the Upcoming Mortal Kombat 9 game, play very old school, classic 2D fighting, classic mechanics etc BUT they look like new up to date current gen games they also have some slight refinements put in place

Street fighter 4's focus attack and ultra's and MK9's special meter/x-ray attack

Graphics Talk.....

marcianokent
09-01-2010, 08:14 PM
I like sonic games since the age of 5 years

ARingcade
09-01-2010, 08:16 PM
I and wiiplayer just dnt want a game that visually looks like a 10 year old game I mean even the boss battles look 15 years old


Sega seem to be struggling with a VERY simple concept here:

People WANT Old school 2D gameplay (with a few refinements new moves, new power-ups) and new CURRENT gen graphics
.

Fans: WOOT SONIC 4!!

Fans: WTF SEGA...WHY DID YOU MAKE IT LOOK MODERN!!!

You and Wiiplayer: OMG WTF SEGA WHY IS IT SO OLD LOOKING!!

Fans you and Wiiplayer: MAKE it like old sonic with modern twists but not too modern otherwise we'll continuously nitpick at the tiniest deatails and forgo any sort of appreciation.

wiiplayer
09-01-2010, 08:20 PM
I and wiiplayer just dnt want a game that visually looks like a 10 year old game I mean even the boss battles look 15 years old


Sega seem to be struggling with a VERY simple concept here:

People WANT Old school 2D gameplay (with a few refinements new moves, new power-ups) and new CURRENT gen graphics

Street Fighter 4 and the Upcoming Mortal Kombat 9 game, play very old school, classic 2D fighting, classic mechanics etc BUT they look like new up to date current gen games they also have some slight refinements put in place

Street fighter 4's focus attack and ultra's and MK9's special meter/x-ray attack

Graphics Talk.....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZxXycBv3Rlk not just me and you buddy, there are about 70 people on this forum, 1500 people of commented on that video, saying it would be a dream come true, almost every fan loves it except the biased ones that are on sega's you know what

DJGameFreakTheIguana
09-01-2010, 08:21 PM
I and wiiplayer just dnt want a game that visually looks like a 10 year old game I mean even the boss battles look 15 years old
Megaman 9 looked older, and it got good reception for some reason.



Sega seem to be struggling with a VERY simple concept here:

People WANT Old school 2D gameplay (with a few refinements new moves, new power-ups) and new CURRENT gen graphics
Your ust about getting the exact gameplay, and like I said, I understand wanting better graphics, but being a baby about it is stupid. BTW, I though people wanted 2D Graphics?


Street Fighter 4 and the Upcoming Mortal Kombat 9 game, play very old school, classic 2D fighting, classic mechanics etc BUT they look like new up to date current gen games they also have some slight refinements put in place
Don't even try using 1-on-1 fighting games for a gameplay argument....


Street fighter 4's focus attack and ultra's and MK9's special meter/x-ray attack
Sonic's Homing attack and air dash.


Graphics Talk.....
and it doesn't even dictates gameplay. :cool:

X)

Jwallz
09-01-2010, 08:24 PM
agreed Sonic 4 just looks very outdated very visually uninspiring looks like a Saturn game

Which was what SEGA was going for, a retro look.

DJGameFreakTheIguana
09-01-2010, 08:28 PM
Which was what SEGA was going for, a retro look.
I said something to this effect, but wiiplayer called it BS PR talk. Not to mention people asked for a classic sonic game, and sega's doing that in more aspects than just the gameplay.

X)

Jwallz
09-01-2010, 08:46 PM
I said something to this effect, but wiiplayer called it BS PR talk. Not to mention people asked for a classic sonic game, and sega's doing that in more aspects than just the gameplay.

X)

No, they're right because not only does Sonic 4 look crappy, but his eyes are green, his legs are too long, no classic Sonic, homing attack, DIMPS is developing it, SEGA is dead to me, boost pads only...final destination.

xD

LoStranger
09-01-2010, 08:48 PM
yeh true people like old looking visuals for some reason never understood why....

Treacher
09-01-2010, 08:51 PM
yeh true people like old looking visuals for some reason never understood why....

Isn't it obvious why? Nostalgia. :P

Treacher
09-01-2010, 08:55 PM
have you seen the wii version of sonic 4 its looks like ****, the only thing saving it is being hd

The Wii... being HD? lolwut? It's been confirmed that the Wii version won't have the same resolution as the 360/PS3 versions. But the core content will still be the same compared to Unleashed, with there being different versions content and graphics wise.

wiiplayer
09-01-2010, 08:55 PM
yeh true people like old looking visuals for some reason never understood why....

some people like 8 bit or 16 sprites cause of nostalgia, i don't lnow anybody who likes the cheap 3d look

LoStranger
09-01-2010, 08:56 PM
Isn't it obvious why? Nostalgia. :P

its possible to ignite Nostalgia without pathetic visuals just look at Street Fighter 4 and the upcoming Mortal Kombat 9 game

wiiplayer
09-01-2010, 08:57 PM
The Wii... being HD? lolwut? It's been confirmed that the Wii version won't have the same resolution as the 360/PS3 versions. But the core content will still be the same compared to Unleashed, with there being different versions content and graphics wise.

i meant the wii version is gonna look like crap cause its not hd, thats the only thing saving sonic 4 ugly graphics

Treacher
09-01-2010, 09:01 PM
its possible to ignite Nostalgia without pathetic visuals just look at Street Fighter 4 and the upcoming Mortal Kombat 9 game

Remember Megaman 9 & 10? They practically started the "retro sequel" trend. When Project Needlemouse was announced, some thought they might use that method for Sonic 4's graphics among the other possibilities. Though I do agree with your point.

DJGameFreakTheIguana
09-01-2010, 09:17 PM
some people like 8 bit or 16 sprites cause of nostalgia, i don't lnow anybody who likes the cheap 3d look

That's not the point at all, in fact, I believe most general gamers could care less. It's the simple fact that nothing is wrong with it, and it doesn't dictate the gameplay. If I do have a opinion on the graphics, it would be that it looks great on the title it's done with, but I could honestly care less. In fact, if this looked like any of the genesis game graphic wise, I would be put off by it, and wish it was in some 3D form, but I would still play it. So what if the graphics are cheap? It's not like it looks like a 3D from the PS1 and N64 era. If this bothers you so much, then just don't buy the game, cause your constant whining ain't helpin' or changin' a damn thing. :cool:

X)

Treacher
09-01-2010, 09:22 PM
That's not the point at all, in fact, I believe most general gamers could care less. It's the simple fact that nothing is wrong with it, and it doesn't dictate the gameplay. If I do have a opinion on the graphics, it would be that it looks great on the title it's done with, but I could honestly care less. In fact, if this looked like any of the genesis game graphic wise, I would be put off by it, and wish it was in some 3D form, but I would still play it. So what if the graphics are cheap? It's not like it looks like a 3D from the PS1 and N64 era. If this bothers you so much, then just don't buy the game, cause your constant whining ain't helpin' or changin' a damn thing. :cool:

X)

Technically it is... (sort of, if you know what I mean)

DJGameFreakTheIguana
09-01-2010, 09:27 PM
Technically it is... (sort of, if you know what I mean)
You mean about what I said about his whining, and the delay of sonic 4 because of fan reaction? Maybe, but notice how the graphics haven't been changed in anything we've seen since the leaks, unless you mean something else?

Even so, the argument about graphics is no big deal, and has been redundant months back when everybody wanted this game to have a 2D option, or make it so period.

X)

Treacher
09-01-2010, 09:30 PM
You mean about what I said about his whining, and the delay of sonic 4 because of fan reaction? Maybe, but notice how the graphics haven't been changed in anything we've seen since the leaks, unless you mean something else?

Even so, the argument about graphics is no big deal, and has been redundant months back when everybody wanted this game to have a 2D option, or make it so period.

X)

Yeah, yeah I know. (The fact that LLZ Act 2 looking somewhat good is a bit suspicious)

wiiplayer
09-01-2010, 09:30 PM
That's not the point at all, in fact, I believe most general gamers could care less. It's the simple fact that nothing is wrong with it, and it doesn't dictate the gameplay. If I do have a opinion on the graphics, it would be that it looks great on the title it's done with, but I could honestly care less. In fact, if this looked like any of the genesis game graphic wise, I would be put off by it, and wish it was in some 3D form, but I would still play it. So what if the graphics are cheap? It's not like it looks like a 3D from the PS1 and N64 era. If this bothers you so much, then just don't buy the game, cause your constant whining ain't helpin' or changin' a damn thing. :cool:

X)

your way off, the general gamer does care, there enough proof to back that up on 360, any game that has amazing graphics and great reviews sells a **** load n i never said i wasint going to buy it cause of the graphics, i'm just put off by it

Sonictrainer
09-01-2010, 09:43 PM
Old video is old.

DJGameFreakTheIguana
09-01-2010, 09:51 PM
your way off, the general gamer does care, there enough proof to back that up on 360, any game that has amazing graphics and great reviews sells a **** load
Maybe because they're actually good games? Graphics aren't everything as you, and a lot of others may think, or I don't think it dictates anything like how good the game really is. Crackdown 2 has good graphics, but I want it because it looks like a fun game, not because of it graphics.


i never said i wasint going to buy it cause of the graphics
I never said that either, I said if it bothers you that much, then just don't buy it, and you don't have to worry.


i'm just put off by it
You seem way more than "put off". I'm put off that sonic is alone, I don't bash sega up and down or be a baby about it.

X)

LoStranger
09-01-2010, 09:52 PM
your way off, the general gamer does care, there enough proof to back that up on 360, any game that has amazing graphics and great reviews sells a **** load n i never said i wasint going to buy it cause of the graphics, i'm just put off by it

Graphics Talk :-D

DJGameFreakTheIguana
09-01-2010, 09:54 PM
Yeah, yeah I know. (The fact that LLZ Act 2 looking somewhat good is a bit suspicious)
How so? Did it look bad before or something?


Old video is old.
It is now. It's not that long and Wiiplayer and a few otthers brown nose it for being the sonic 4 that they want, even though it just a video.

X)

Sonictrainer
09-01-2010, 09:58 PM
Graphics Talk :-D

Not really. I don't play Pokemon because of the graphics.

Treacher
09-01-2010, 10:00 PM
Let's not into an argument you two.;)

DJGameFreakTheIguana
09-01-2010, 10:01 PM
Not really. I don't play Pokemon because of the graphics.
What a coincidence, I don't either. It's cool in 3D, but making it 2D makes it no better/worse. :cool:

X)

wiiplayer
09-01-2010, 10:05 PM
Graphics Talk :-D

great graphics plus great gameplay =:D ofcourse gameplay is whats matters most, but i would like sonic 4 to take advantage of the hardware today, instead of trying to look like its being made on the saturn minus hd, othere wise might as well make it 16 bit, when i first saw the the unleashed trailer i was interested cause it looked amazing, when heard about how is was going to play and the werehog i was like :/ then i tried the demo and i new this was a no go

DrunkSupersonic
09-01-2010, 10:22 PM
So it's pretty. Whoop de doo.

LoStranger
09-01-2010, 11:37 PM
great graphics plus great gameplay =:D ofcourse gameplay is whats matters most, but i would like sonic 4 to take advantage of the hardware today, instead of trying to look like its being made on the saturn minus hd, othere wise might as well make it 16 bit, when i first saw the the unleashed trailer i was interested cause it looked amazing, when heard about how is was going to play and the werehog i was like :/ then i tried the demo and i new this was a no go

i know what ur sayin bro when I first saw that Unleashed trailer i went crazy..... and its still a gorgeous game today


Ideally id want the graphics of sonic to look even better then the new Donkey Kong on the Wii

Shadow complex looks amazin btw and is a d/l game

wiiplayer
09-02-2010, 12:02 AM
i know what ur sayin bro when I first saw that Unleashed trailer i went crazy..... and its still a gorgeous game today


Ideally id want the graphics of sonic to look even better then the new Donkey Kong on the Wii

Shadow complex looks amazin btw and is a d/l game

well if the wii wasn't last-gen hardware, DKR would have looked amazing if was in hd

LoStranger
09-02-2010, 12:18 AM
well if the wii wasn't last-gen hardware, DKR would have looked amazing if was in hd

true......

HedgehogOfSound
09-02-2010, 01:13 AM
Not really. I don't play Pokemon because of the graphics.

http://img16.imageshack.us/img16/9158/goodonen.jpg

Copley Hill Zone
09-02-2010, 02:55 AM
http://img16.imageshack.us/img16/9158/goodonen.jpg

Oh Please. Nobody buys Pokemon games for the graphics. It's only in Black/White that the style of graphics has been severely ramped up. I remember when Ruby/Sapphire came out, and Golden Sun within the same few months, and two very similar (in terms of gameplay and style) games had very much a contrast in graphics.

But all said - the gameplay of the former was still terrific.

In terms of Sonic games - I wonder if people buy Sonic 1 now, for its graphics? :confused:

Jwallz
09-02-2010, 04:13 PM
your way off, the general gamer does care, there enough proof to back that up on 360, any game that has amazing graphics and great reviews sells a **** load n i never said i wasint going to buy it cause of the graphics, i'm just put off by it

lost. Planet. 2.

wiiplayer
09-02-2010, 04:14 PM
lost. Planet. 2.

reviews were pretty bad

Jwallz
09-02-2010, 04:17 PM
reviews were pretty bad

didn't read the reviews part, lol.

Blazblue CT and Blazblue CS

wiiplayer
09-02-2010, 04:30 PM
didn't read the reviews part, lol.

Blazblue CT and Blazblue CS

well almost every game, blaze blue sold pretty good for what it was a game only for the hardcore gamer, it sold close to unleashed did on 360/ps3

Iconoclast
09-02-2010, 04:41 PM
well almost every game, blaze blue sold pretty good for what it was a game only for the hardcore gamer, it sold close to unleashed did on 360/ps3

Doesn't that contradict what you were just saying?

1994
09-02-2010, 07:40 PM
As a competitive Blazblue player, I can, with confidence say that wiiplay doesn't know what the hell he's talking about.

Blazblue was made for the competitive gamer who likes fighting games, namely ones who adopted from Guilty Gear, however the producer of the game (as expressed in many interviews) deliberately made it an easy pick up and play kind of game, as to attract casual gamers who find fighters too hard.

On that note, people love games for the gameplay, the graphics could be good, but it's only good frosting on what would otherwise be a great tasting cake.
You can't say that games like Battlefield, Gears of War, Halo, etc would not be great games if it weren't for the graphics.
Graphics are very good, but they don't make the game. It's simply outer beauty.
Skin deep.

Theadvisor1234
09-02-2010, 08:00 PM
All I'm hearing is rant rant rant rant rant... we've heard stuff like this a million times before. Just play the blasted game!

wiiplayer
09-02-2010, 08:11 PM
As a competitive Blazblue player, I can, with confidence say that wiiplay doesn't know what the hell he's talking about.

Blazblue was made for the competitive gamer who likes fighting games, namely ones who adopted from Guilty Gear, however the producer of the game (as expressed in many interviews) deliberately made it an easy pick up and play kind of game, as to attract casual gamers who find fighters too hard.

On that note, people love games for the gameplay, the graphics could be good, but it's only good frosting on what would otherwise be a great tasting cake.
You can't say that games like Battlefield, Gears of War, Halo, etc would not be great games if it weren't for the graphics.
Graphics are very good, but they don't make the game. It's simply outer beauty.
Skin deep.

i haven't played blazeblue but im tyying to say it was gonna be very hard to sell in the states cause of its style being very Japanese

Sanity's_Theif
09-02-2010, 09:52 PM
Poor graphics choice can push people away from a game, look at Wind Waker, sold terrible compared to Twilight Princess, at least in the US, I know a lot of my friends and family members who didn't get the game just because they hated the flat boring look of the game, it had no detail

I got it, but I sold it later, I wouldn't play it again, everytime I look at the game it makes me immediately feel bored, but it wasn't just the graphics either, overall I didn't like the game, the sailing sucked, items were boring(A LEAF, seriously?), dungeons were boring, the whole overworld was mostly ocean and every place you visited looked the same(I like varying landscapes, you know, forests, mountains, snow, the sea, deserts, etc.) and anything left that was good about the game you could find in other LOZ games that did that stuff just as good or better

...Yea I went way off topic, I don't know why people are saying that fan-game is eye-straining, it just looks very well done to me and nothing more, to be honest Sonic 4 does look very plain compared to that

1994
09-02-2010, 10:58 PM
i haven't played blazeblue but im tyying to say it was gonna be very hard to sell in the states cause of its style being very Japanese

You don't seem to understand sales either.
BlazBlue was a hit. Because it was distributed (in limited quantity) with the targeted demographic in mind. It gained enough money and fanfare to warrant a sequel in both arcades and console.

That's the thing about sales, you target a demographic, and design and distribute with that in mind, with a set goal in sale achievements.

In short, if you target people who are into 2d fighting games or "very Japanese style" and produce and distribute the games with that in mind, you don't have to worry about selling being weak.

BaronGrackle
09-02-2010, 11:52 PM
That's the thing about sales, you target a demographic, and design and distribute with that in mind, with a set goal in sale achievements.

In short, if you target people who are into 2d fighting games or "very Japanese style" and produce and distribute the games with that in mind, you don't have to worry about selling being weak.

I just think one problem with Sonic 4, is they have no idea what their demographic is.

wiiplayer
09-02-2010, 11:55 PM
You don't seem to understand sales either.
BlazBlue was a hit. Because it was distributed (in limited quantity) with the targeted demographic in mind. It gained enough money and fanfare to warrant a sequel in both arcades and console.

That's the thing about sales, you target a demographic, and design and distribute with that in mind, with a set goal in sale achievements.

In short, if you target people who are into 2d fighting games or "very Japanese style" and produce and distribute the games with that in mind, you don't have to worry about selling being weak.

what i meant was most games on 360 with amazing graphics and great reviews get great sales,BTW i understand sales i been watch npd for the past 6 years now,i just can't explain myself well, i could tell you right now that if sonic games were the same quality as mario, he would still be doing 6-7 million, especially on all 3 consoles, sonic games have always had amazing graphics on consoles, would it help sales if sonic 4 looked amazing graphically, hell yes it would

wiiplayer
09-03-2010, 12:00 AM
I just think one problem with Sonic 4, is they have no idea what their demographic is.

this is true sega doesn't know **** about business, releasing the saturn, the second day they announced is the stupidest thing ever done by company, now there releasing SA on XBLA the sameday as halo reach.

Rei Entri
09-03-2010, 12:20 AM
I just think one problem with Sonic 4, is they have no idea what their demographic is.

Their demographic is people who want to play a classic styled game that has new features.

Fans just don't know what they want. My time on the boards has introduced me to people who want:

-Literally a port of Sonic 3 and Knuckles. With just different levels and new story.
-This to be Sonic Advance 4
-This to be as it is.
-As it is with minor changes.
-Everything scrapped in exchange for a SUPER HD romp through crazy realistic forrests and AWESOMELY rendered oceans XTREME!!
-A fan fiction they wrote one night when their crush said "No" to junior prom, so they were home alone.


So many different wants and desires, and so many people who are so stubborn about what they personally want, that they can't just let go or move on.

BaronGrackle
09-03-2010, 12:24 AM
Their demographic is people who want to play a classic styled game that has new features.

You just lumped a couple of demographics together right there. :)

People who want to play a classic styled game? One demographic.
People who want to play a 2D game with modern features and feel? Another (arguably smaller) demographic.


Fans just don't know what they want. My time on the boards has introduced me to people who want:

-Literally a port of Sonic 3 and Knuckles. With just different levels and new story.
-This to be Sonic Advance 4
-This to be as it is.
-As it is with minor changes.
-Everything scrapped in exchange for a SUPER HD romp through crazy realistic forrests and AWESOMELY rendered oceans XTREME!!
-A fan fiction they wrote one night when their crush said "No" to junior prom, so they were home alone.


So many different wants and desires, and so many people who are so stubborn about what they personally want, that they can't just let go or move on.

That's my point. So many different wants and desires, so many different types of fans... but this game is a downloadable niche title. SEGA should have narrowed down one group of fans and aimed to please that one group.

And if you listen to SEGA representatives, they tell us that the game is intended for old school Genesis/Megadrive fans. They'll say that is the game's demographic, over and over again. If that were the case, though... then a lot of poor design choices were made.

EDIT: Fans know what they want. They just have different wants. And SEGA needs to figure out that they can't please all the people all the time... when they try, they're just going to peeve everyone except for a small handful.

Rei Entri
09-03-2010, 12:35 AM
You just lumped a couple of demographics together right there. :)

People who want to play a classic styled game? One demographic.
People who want to play a 2D game with modern features and feel? Another (arguably smaller) demographic.



That's my point. So many different wants and desires, so many different types of fans... but this game is a downloadable niche title. SEGA should have narrowed down one group of fans and aimed to please that one group.

And if you listen to SEGA representatives, they tell us that the game is intended for old school Genesis/Megadrive fans. They'll say that is the game's demographic, over and over again. If that were the case, though... then a lot of poor design choices were made.

EDIT: Fans know what they want. They just have different wants. And SEGA needs to figure out that they can't please all the people all the time... when they try, they're just going to peeve everyone except for a small handful.

I'd have to disagree with that last line.


Some fans know what they want, other can not tell you a clear and direct description of the game they'd want to play. Others can tell you what they don't want, but not exactly what they do want.

wiiplayer
09-03-2010, 12:37 AM
Their demographic is people who want to play a classic styled game that has new features.

Fans just don't know what they want. My time on the boards has introduced me to people who want:

-Literally a port of Sonic 3 and Knuckles. With just different levels and new story.
-This to be Sonic Advance 4
-This to be as it is.
-As it is with minor changes.
-Everything scrapped in exchange for a SUPER HD romp through crazy realistic forrests and AWESOMELY rendered oceans XTREME!!
-A fan fiction they wrote one night when their crush said "No" to junior prom, so they were home alone.


So many different wants and desires, and so many people who are so stubborn about what they personally want, that they can't just let go or move on.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZxXycBv3Rlk watch the comments, or better yet watch how much people voted thump up for the vid its safe to say the fans know what they want

BaronGrackle
09-03-2010, 12:41 AM
I'd have to disagree with that last line.


Some fans know what they want, other can not tell you a clear and direct description of the game they'd want to play. Others can tell you what they don't want, but not exactly what they do want.

A valid point, which I must concede.


...whoops! What I meant to say was: "Valid point is valid."
(There we go. Now it's internet coolz.)

Rei Entri
09-03-2010, 12:46 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZxXycBv3Rlk watch the comments, or better yet watch how much people voted thump up for the vid its safe to say the fans know what they want

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K-bB8oZC0kY read the comments, read the thumbs ups for this one.

You can't post part of a situation that bodes well for your point as if it describes the whole.

A lot of people are happy with STH4 as it is. Others want STH3&K, others want something else, etc etc etc....And others still will agree with whoever makes the best point.

I'm saying fans should not take it as seriously, it'd be cool if certain things would happen, but just take whatever comes out. If it sucks, don't buy it. If it doesn't, enjoy it.


I am a Resident Evil fan. Have you SEEN how they ***** and destroyed my series in the movies? Have you seen how they've changed the gameplay and narrative?

No, I didn't like RE4 or RE5 as much as the older games. Sure the gameplay is fun, even better in certain departments, but the classics were what I play the games for. I understand where the fans are coming from for STH4. They are not going back to fixed camera angles, green herbs in pots, file and photo collecting, and frightening narrative/story in my series. I have to get used to characters punching boulders, falling great heights without damage, and 30+ year old mind-controlled women who can run up walls and perform ninjitsu.

Sonic fans will have to get used to uncurling, green eyes, homing attacks, and anything else that may or may not suck ***.

Rei Entri
09-03-2010, 12:47 AM
A valid point, which I must concede.


...whoops! What I meant to say was: "Valid point is valid."
(There we go. Now it's internet coolz.)

Word, homez.

wiiplayer
09-03-2010, 12:57 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K-bB8oZC0kY read the comments, read the thumbs ups for this one.

You can't post part of a situation that bodes well for your point as if it describes the whole.

A lot of people are happy with STH4 as it is. Others want STH3&K, others want something else, etc etc etc....And others still will agree with whoever makes the best point.

I'm saying fans should not take it as seriously, it'd be cool if certain things would happen, but just take whatever comes out. If it sucks, don't buy it. If it doesn't, enjoy it.


I am a Resident Evil fan. Have you SEEN how they ***** and destroyed my series in the movies? Have you seen how they've changed the gameplay and narrative?

No, I didn't like RE4 or RE5 as much as the older games. Sure the gameplay is fun, even better in certain departments, but the classics were what I play the games for. I understand where the fans are coming from for STH4. They are not going back to fixed camera angles, green herbs in pots, file and photo collecting, and frightening narrative/story in my series. I have to get used to characters punching boulders, falling great heights without damage, and 30+ year old mind-controlled women who can run up walls and perform ninjitsu.

Sonic fans will have to get used to uncurling, green eyes, homing attacks, and anything else that may or may not suck ***.

4000 thumps up vs 500:p its not even close and the sonic n knuckles video is been up only for a week, there are hardly and negative comments, if sonic 4 had those graphics and physics, with new levels and bosses i think you would get very littile complaints, infacts most people that saw the video comment on how crappy sonic 4 looks in comparison

speedduelist
09-03-2010, 12:59 AM
Dear,wiiplayer,

we WILL NEVER EVER GET THOSE GRAPHICS NO MATTER HOW MUCH YOU CRY FOR IT.

SO Please If you don't have any thing to do here but to SPREAD YOUR TEARS OVER THE FORUM, PLEASE LEAVE

Thanks :cool:

wiiplayer
09-03-2010, 01:01 AM
Dear,wiiplayer,

we WILL NEVER EVER GET THOSE GRAPHICS NO MATTER HOW MUCH YOU CRY FOR IT.

SO Please If you don't have any thing to do here but to SPREAD YOUR TEARS OVER THE FORUM, PLEASE LEAVE

Thanks :cool:

we got them in unleashed why not sonic 5:p

speedduelist
09-03-2010, 01:08 AM
we got them in unleashed why not sonic 5:p

No, we won't get them. Sorry

that is the best thing we are going to get :

http://www.sonicstadium.org/wp-content/uploads/2010/03/Sonic-4-25th-march-1.jpg

http://www.tssznews.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/08/pic02_07.jpg

I am sorry for your lost. now if you don't like it, you can simply leave instead of crying here and spare us your drama :cool:

wiiplayer
09-03-2010, 01:14 AM
No, we won't get them. Sorry

that is the best thing we are going to get :

http://www.sonicstadium.org/wp-content/uploads/2010/03/Sonic-4-25th-march-1.jpg

http://www.tssznews.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/08/pic02_07.jpg

I am sorry for your lost. now if you don't like it, you can simply leave instead of crying here and spare us your drama :cool:

hey the graphics look average, with splash hill looking like vomit, would still buy but the physics are still looking like crap, the HA is still in the game, i decided that i'm not gonna buy this turd

Haru-chan
09-03-2010, 01:27 AM
Incredibly pretty.

...

So pretty, in fact, that there isn't enough focus on Sonic. It's a bit difficult keeping an eye on him.

Exactly my thoughts. Don't get me wrong though, this would look cool in theory but....it...just doesn't have the complete Sonic feel. It's moreso "Here's some 3D scenery, now let's have Sonic inserted into it.". The idea is similar in Sonic Adventure(s).

Looks nice but it's just too much.

Rei Entri
09-03-2010, 02:19 AM
It's silly that you think someone saying "This is a cool video" is the equivalent of them saying it should be Sonic 4. Get out of la-la land, bro, that's not how things are.

You originally posted the video to "show me" that fans want that. My point was that lots of fans want lots of things and they should deal with it as it is, when I prove this, now you're dismissing the people who disagree with you.

Whatever, man. Argue it away, the only one who will be missing out is you and people who think like you. If you're bored, then you're boring. If you refuse to accept it as it is and ***** about something fanmade, then you're going to be complaining for a long time. That NON-GAME, 3D CGI is cute but is never happening. Not in your lifetime, Brobadiah.

wiiplayer
09-03-2010, 02:34 AM
It's silly that you think someone saying "This is a cool video" is the equivalent of them saying it should be Sonic 4. Get out of la-la land, bro, that's not how things are.

You originally posted the video to "show me" that fans want that. My point was that lots of fans want lots of things and they should deal with it as it is, when I prove this, now you're dismissing the people who disagree with you.

Whatever, man. Argue it away, the only one who will be missing out is you and people who think like you. If you're bored, then you're boring. If you refuse to accept it as it is and ***** about something fanmade, then you're going to be complaining for a long time. That NON-GAME, 3D CGI is cute but is never happening. Not in your lifetime, Brobadiah.

so your saying unleashed graphics engine with classic physics is impossible, the guy that made the video is teaming up with dazimen the maker of the egg engine http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vSmBgpYPO5U&feature=player_embedded

SonicSALES
09-03-2010, 02:38 AM
Dear,wiiplayer,

we WILL NEVER EVER GET THOSE GRAPHICS NO MATTER HOW MUCH YOU CRY FOR IT.

SO Please If you don't have any thing to do here but to SPREAD YOUR TEARS OVER THE FORUM, PLEASE LEAVE

Thanks :cool:

Grow up :rolleyes:

wiiplayer
09-03-2010, 02:47 AM
Grow up :rolleyes:

you know i would-int be surprised if the really pro sonic 4 fans have 2 accounts here to defend sonic 4 like he does, he has 2 accounts here im sure of it

speedduelist
09-03-2010, 02:52 AM
Grow up :rolleyes:

what is wrong from what i said? i told him to stop ranting because we will never get the graphics looks like this. we don't even know if 360 Can Render those.

CGI Graphics can Be WAAY more Advanced than the 360 and PS3 Could Render. CGI Graphics have advanced Lightning and Advance AA

Even if its possible, this is a down loadable game and needs to be as accessible as possible....

he is ranting for the graphics that doesn't matter and the graphics that won't change in sonic 4.

I told him its useless? any thing wrong with this fact?


you know i would-int be surprised if the really pro sonic 4 fans have 2 accounts here to defend sonic 4 like he does, he has 2 accounts here im sure of it

Really? Prove it. :cool:

wiiplayer
09-03-2010, 02:59 AM
what is wrong from what i said? i told him to stop ranting because we will never get the graphics looks like this. we don't even know if 360 Can Render those.

CGI Graphics can Be WAAY more Advanced than the 360 and PS3 Could Render. CGI Graphics have advanced Lightning and Advance AA

Even if its possible, this is a down loadable game and needs to be as accessible as possible....

he is ranting for the graphics that doesn't matter and the graphics that won't change in sonic 4.

I told him its useless? any thing wrong with this fact?



Really? Prove it. :cool:

unleashed has better graphics then that video. i really don't know what your talking about, look at this topic its about graphics,not telling people to leave the forum cause you don't wanna hear what they have to say or rant about:cool:

speedduelist
09-03-2010, 03:42 AM
unleashed has better graphics then that video. i really don't know what your talking about, look at this topic its about graphics,not telling people to leave the forum cause you don't wanna hear what they have to say or rant about:cool:

you rant about every thing. you bash every one
the graphics doesn't matter
and we won't get those graphics in sonic 4

the graphics are made final.
you hate sonic 4 and you aren't going to give it a chance

what i am wondering about why are you here for? you even call sonic team amature and lazy and won't give a chance to see the final build :cool:

Yeow95
09-03-2010, 03:53 AM
Really?.....This thread is still alive?...... >_>

speedduelist
09-03-2010, 03:54 AM
because every time it dies, wii player revives it with his ranting about the graphics. Despite the fact that those graphics are final and the graphics doesn't matter and this game is suppose to easily accessible by every one so the size should be low enough, and wii player is just comparing 3D Graphics with 2D Graphics.



this is true sega doesn't know **** about business, releasing the saturn, the second day they announced is the stupidest thing ever done by company, now there releasing SA on XBLA the sameday as halo reach.


well i chose the bottom answer for several reasons, first is the game is looking like a 1 hour game tops with no multiplayer, that alone will duck it 2 points, people are complaining about games being only 3 hours long for 15$. add in the rehashed levels and bad physics, thats anothere 2 points, i expect a 6


well i'm assuming the game will be like the leaks, with minor tweaks, you expect a new game


why even bother responding to such a fanboy, anybody who calls those physics and animation garabage and then praises sonic 4 for looking much better in those aspects is etheir a fanboy or blind


well it is lazy,anybody with eyes can see that but here the reason i gave

physics are ****
jumping has turned into **** 2
rehash levels and bosses
graphics looks wack
animation looks wack

or better yet go watch a gameplay video of sonic 3 then watch sonic 4 you might throw up

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xsZzMxJRQOE&feature=related sonic 3
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SZiPxy0ItBs&feature=player_embedded# sonic 4 looks like a dirty mess

Enough Said ... :cool:

LoStranger
09-03-2010, 05:22 AM
lol sonic 3's gameplay does look better though...

ezodagrom
09-03-2010, 08:51 AM
because every time it dies, wii player revives it with his ranting about the graphics. Despite the fact that those graphics are final and the graphics doesn't matter and this game is suppose to easily accessible by every one so the size should be low enough, and wii player is just comparing 3D Graphics with 2D Graphics.

Enough Said ... :cool:
Gotta love the irony though, someone with the nickname "wiiplayer" complaining about graphics (since, graphics wise, the Wii is the weakest console this generation). :3

Vector88
09-03-2010, 09:38 AM
you know i would-int be surprised if the really pro sonic 4 fans have 2 accounts here to defend sonic 4 like he does, he has 2 accounts here im sure of it

You are saying this when this is your second account because your previous one was banned

SonicSALES
09-03-2010, 09:45 AM
what is wrong from what i said? i told him to stop ranting because we will never get the graphics looks like this. we don't even know if 360 Can Render those.

CGI Graphics can Be WAAY more Advanced than the 360 and PS3 Could Render. CGI Graphics have advanced Lightning and Advance AA

Even if its possible, this is a down loadable game and needs to be as accessible as possible....

he is ranting for the graphics that doesn't matter and the graphics that won't change in sonic 4.

I told him its useless? any thing wrong with this fact?


Really? Prove it. :cool:


If you said it in that context then I wouldn't have told you to grow up :mrgreen:

Theadvisor1234
09-03-2010, 02:46 PM
Gotta love the irony though, someone with the nickname "wiiplayer" complaining about graphics (since, graphics wise, the Wii is the weakest console this generation). :3

I pointed that fact out to him once. He said he also owned a 360, and that the AAA titles on there ran circles around Sonic 4, like that was even relevent to my statement.

wiiplayer
09-03-2010, 02:54 PM
I pointed that fact out to him once. He said he also owned a 360, and that the AAA titles on there ran circles around Sonic 4, like that was even relevent to my statement.

the games i own on wii run circles around sonic 4 graphically, even NSMW looks much better then sonic 4

DJGameFreakTheIguana
09-03-2010, 03:32 PM
the games i own on wii run circles around sonic 4 graphically, even NSMW looks much better then sonic 4
If that's what you care for so much, go play those games then and be quite.

Yo, here's a fan game I think sonic 4 should be:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KN_XfStiC_4

Now, read this carefully:
I don't want sonic 4 to be like nebulous because of the way it looks, even though I like it, I want this to be sonic 4 because of the CHARACTER ROSTER and GAMEPLAY. The ish that really matters. Well, gameplay matters more, but the roster does add to it depending on who you pick, and I also like the option that I can play as many different characters instead of just one. Anyone else got a fangame suggestion that's not just for graphics? :cool:

X)

speedduelist
09-03-2010, 03:33 PM
If you said it in that context then I wouldn't have told you to grow up :mrgreen:

...What?


the games i own on wii run circles around sonic 4 graphically, even NSMW looks much better then sonic 4

Maybe because of the fact that NSMBWii is 2.5D and Sonic 4 is Pure 2D? :cool:

wiiplayer
09-03-2010, 03:36 PM
If that's what you care for so much, go play those games then and be quite.

Yo, here's a fan game I think sonic 4 should be:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KN_XfStiC_4

Now, read this carefully:
I don't want sonic 4 to be like nebulous because of the way it looks, even though I like it, I want this to be sonic 4 because of the CHARACTER ROSTER and GAMEPLAY. The ish that really matters. Well, gameplay matters more, but the roster does add to it depending on who you pick, and I also like the option that I can play as many different characters instead of just one. Anyone else got a fangame suggestion that's not just for graphics? :cool:

X)

damn djgamefreak why would u want that to be sonic 4, why not a sequel to sonic rush instead, every sonic fan loves the classics and calls them the best sonic games, gimmi sonic 4 with unleashed graphics, classic physics, new levels, bosses, tails and knuckles and thats it

Sonictrainer
09-03-2010, 03:39 PM
the games i own on wii run circles around sonic 4 graphically, even NSMW looks much better then sonic 4

What's your Wii number?

DJGameFreakTheIguana
09-03-2010, 03:54 PM
damn djgamefreak why would u want that to be sonic 4
Did you not read what I posted right under the link? I stated my reasons clearly. Go back and read.... as a matter of fact, don't read it, because you just clearly ignored what I posted, hence why you asked me this.

Now, can I get someone with some sense? :cool:

X)

wiiplayer
09-03-2010, 03:59 PM
Did you not read what I posted right under the link? I stated my reasons clearly. Go back and read.... as a matter of fact, don't read it, because you just clearly ignored what I posted, hence why you asked me this.

Now, can I get someone with some sense? :cool:

X)

i'm asking why not ask that kind of game to be a sonic rush sequel or sonic advance 4

DJGameFreakTheIguana
09-03-2010, 04:04 PM
i'm asking why not ask that kind of game to be a sonic rush sequel or sonic advance 4
Why don't you ask those fan videos and pics you post to be a sonic rush sequel or sonic advance 4? :cool:

X)

Treacher
09-03-2010, 04:13 PM
...What?



Maybe because of the fact that NSMBWii is 2.5D and Sonic 4 is Pure 2D? :cool:

Sonic 4? Pure 2D? I lol'd.

speedduelist
09-03-2010, 04:15 PM
Sonic 4 is Pure 2D using pre-rendered sprites :cool:

wiiplayer
09-03-2010, 04:16 PM
Why don't you ask those fan videos and pics you post to be a sonic rush sequel or sonic advance 4? :cool:

X)

you know what djgamefreak i would love sega to make a sonic 4 like that fangame in you vid, it would worth for the LOL alone, all hell would break loose, it would be funny reading all the comments:D

Theadvisor1234
09-03-2010, 04:27 PM
the games i own on wii run circles around sonic 4 graphically, even NSMW looks much better then sonic 4

I know I promised not to argue the point with you until after the game comes out, but you are sorely tempting me to break that promise...

wiiplayer
09-03-2010, 04:30 PM
I know I promised not to argue the point with you until after the game comes out, but you are sorely tempting me to break that promise...

go ahead my friend i enjoy a nice civil argument:D

Theadvisor1234
09-03-2010, 04:35 PM
go ahead my friend i enjoy a nice civil argument:D

Then prove it to me.

DJGameFreakTheIguana
09-03-2010, 04:37 PM
you know what djgamefreak i would love sega to make a sonic 4 like that fangame in you vid, it would worth for the LOL alone, all hell would break loose, it would be funny reading all the comments:D
That wasn't the question I asked.

Why don't you ask those fan videos and pics you post to be a sonic rush sequel or sonic advance 4?

I would just answer your question, but you know what? I'm, sick and tired of explaining myself to people, but don't want to explain themselves. Answer me first this time around, and I'll answer yours in all seriousness. :cool:

X)

wiiplayer
09-03-2010, 04:50 PM
Then prove it to me.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u3n4XsMs8q0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A8YEWk_PRcc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bz7bGiv560s&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_BcaCNaywjI&feature=fvst

Theadvisor1234
09-03-2010, 05:21 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u3n4XsMs8q0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A8YEWk_PRcc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bz7bGiv560s&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_BcaCNaywjI&feature=fvst

You misunderstood me. I meant that I want you to follow the rules of the Geneva Conventions of Internet Communications. In other words:
No name calling
No profanity
and no treating your opinion as the only right one around here (though sometimes that might be the case).
Here is how I want the converation to be structured: each of us gives IN DETAIL our opinion of different aspects of the game: don't just say "it looks dumb". Give me an actual reason.
First topic: Sonic 4's graphics. You start us off.
REMINDER: if at any time you break any of the above rules, THIS CONVERSATION WILL END. I will NOT ARGUE WITH YOU. I just want to make converation.

wiiplayer
09-03-2010, 05:35 PM
You misunderstood me. I meant that I want you to follow the rules of the Geneva Conventions of Internet Communications. In other words:
No name calling
No profanity
and no treating your opinion as the only right one around here (though sometimes that might be the case).
Here is how I want the converation to be structured: each of us gives IN DETAIL our opinion of different aspects of the game: don't just say "it looks dumb". Give me an actual reason.
First topic: Sonic 4's graphics. You start us off.
REMINDER: if at any time you break any of the above rules, THIS CONVERSATION WILL END. I will NOT ARGUE WITH YOU. I just want to make converation.

http://www.wayofthepixel.net/pixelation/index.php?topic=8219.0 will just read here pixel sprites will always look better then pre-renderd sprites, for several reasons, nowi will not support cheap pre-renderd sprites for a game as big as sonic 4, when they could have used the unleashed engine to get amazing results or hd sprites in short with pre-renderd graphics you get a flat looking game trying to look 3d with out depth or dynamic lighting so its worst possible choice and very out dated tech

Theadvisor1234
09-03-2010, 05:41 PM
http://www.wayofthepixel.net/pixelation/index.php?topic=8219.0 will just read here pixel sprites will always look better then pre-renderd sprites, for several reasons, nowi will not support cheap pre-renderd sprites for a game as big as sonic 4, when they could have used to unleashed engine to get amazing results or hd sprites in short with pre-renderd graphics you get a flat looking game trying to look 3d with out depth or dynamic lighting so its worst possible choice and very out dated tech

I admit that pre-rendered graphics can look clunky if not done right. However, I see no problem with that so far in the game minus the running animation, which needs tweaking just a little in my opinion. Make Sonic's feet move with the blurring, and make the blurring more circular and they're golden.
Next topic: level design. You start.

DJGameFreakTheIguana
09-03-2010, 05:45 PM
http://www.wayofthepixel.net/pixelation/index.php?topic=8219.0 will just read here pixel sprites will always look better then pre-renderd sprites, for several reasons, nowi will not support cheap pre-renderd sprites for a game as big as sonic 4, when they could have used the unleashed engine to get amazing results or hd sprites in short with pre-renderd graphics you get a flat looking game trying to look 3d with out depth or dynamic lighting so its worst possible choice and very out dated tech
I skimmed some of the comments, and it seems to be a mix bag. Maybe the OP agrees with you there, but not every user on the thread. BTW, why do guys like you have to resort to posting forum threads that have some agreement with what you say? It's just a few guys on one forum, and a lot of them post arguments on both sides.

X)

Theadvisor1234
09-03-2010, 05:48 PM
I skimmed some of the comments, and it seems to be a mix bag. Maybe the OP agrees with you there, but not every user on the thread. BTW, why do guys like you have to resort to posting forum threads that have some agreement with what you say? It's just a few guys on one forum, and a lot of them post arguments on both sides.

X)

True, but if it helps to get his point across, leave him alone. I'm trying to find an understanding between me and him.

wiiplayer
09-03-2010, 05:49 PM
I admit that pre-rendered graphics can look clunky if not done right. However, I see no problem with that so far in the game minus the running animation, which needs tweaking just a little in my opinion. Make Sonic's feet move with the blurring, and make the blurring more circular and they're golden.
Next topic: level design. You start.

http://xbox360media.ign.com/xbox360/image/article/864/864165/sonic-unleashed-screens-20080403094135495.jpg

look how beautiful this looks in comparison with sonic 4 you got the engine ready yet you use ugly pre-renderd graphics cause you don't wanna invest in sequel that could be the best sonic game ever if done right, its just sad its like them using the rush engine instead of the classics engine, i just can't understand sega sometimes. andd its gets my blood hot

DJGameFreakTheIguana
09-03-2010, 05:51 PM
True, but if it helps to get his point across, leave him alone. I'm trying to find an understanding between me and him.
Fair enough, I realize you were just gonna convo with'em so I'll leave it be. But just for the record, it's kinda crazy to find a forum thread for your argument. I mean, I mean, I could just as easily find a forum for my arguments if I wanted, but I don't. Whatever, I'll leave this to yall. :cool:

X)

Theadvisor1234
09-03-2010, 06:00 PM
http://xbox360media.ign.com/xbox360/image/article/864/864165/sonic-unleashed-screens-20080403094135495.jpg

look how beautiful this looks in comparison with sonic 4 you got the engine ready yet you use ugly pre-renderd graphics cause you don't wanna invest in sequel that could be the best sonic game ever if done right, its just sad its like them using the rush engine instead of the classics engine, i just can't understand sega sometimes. andd its gets my blood hot

There's your problem. You are using footage from a 3d Sonic game that it not a throwback to the classics. The level design, IMO, is very reminiscent of the Genesis era. I did see bridges of enemys, which may seem cheap, but hey, combo players and little kids love em'. If you're thinking the idea defies common sense, Sega gave up on the franchise making perfect sence when they made a blue hedgehog that runs at supersonic speeds. Video game logic at work.
Next on the chopping block: music.

wiiplayer
09-03-2010, 06:01 PM
I admit that pre-rendered graphics can look clunky if not done right. However, I see no problem with that so far in the game minus the running animation, which needs tweaking just a little in my opinion. Make Sonic's feet move with the blurring, and make the blurring more circular and they're golden.
Next topic: level design. You start.

well levels design i cant say much except i see a few horrible decisions like enemy bridges every where, HA in a 2d game which is just a horrible idea that takes away from the gameplay and the physics just looks horrible.

wiiplayer
09-03-2010, 06:03 PM
There's your problem. You are using footage from a 3d Sonic game that it not a throwback to the classics. The level design, IMO, is very reminiscent of the Genesis era. I did see bridges of enemys, which may seem cheap, but hey, combo players and little kids love em'. If you're thinking the idea defies common sense, Sega gave up on the franchise making perfect sence when they made a blue hedgehog that runs at supersonic speeds. Video game logic at work.
Next on the chopping block: music.

bro im only talking about graphics, you can have amazing graphics and still be a throw back to the classics see sonic knuckles 3d vid. basically you can use the unleash engine for graphics only and make a sonic 3 knuckles remake and it would look just as amazing as that fan made video, probably better

Sonictrainer
09-03-2010, 06:04 PM
HA in a 2d game which is just a horrible idea that takes away from the gameplay

It was there in Advance 2, a game that came out 7 years ago.

wiiplayer
09-03-2010, 06:06 PM
It was there in Advance 2, a game that came out 7 years ago.

sorry i'm a console gamer only

Sonictrainer
09-03-2010, 06:09 PM
sorry i'm a console gamer only

So you've never played the Advance or Rush games?

wiiplayer
09-03-2010, 06:10 PM
So you've never played the Advance or Rush games?

no, i never played it

Sonictrainer
09-03-2010, 06:11 PM
no, i never played it

Oh.

Well, there goes the HA and rehashed level argument.

wiiplayer
09-03-2010, 06:15 PM
Oh.

Well, there goes the HA and rehashed level argument.

rehashed levels comes from the classics. sooo. as for the homing attack it looks like it works the same as in the 3d games, meaning it was made for sonic in 3d game cause it would be hard for sonic to jump on a moving target so fast in 3d, in the classics it you had a problem jumpimg on enemy then you shouldint be playing games

Sonictrainer
09-03-2010, 06:17 PM
Can people jump on top of Bubbles instead of HA him?

wiiplayer
09-03-2010, 06:18 PM
Can people jump on top of Bubbles instead of HA him?

well you have to use the homing attack to get to certain places, if its like the leaks the homing attack is mandatory, also the bouncing from the classucs dont work anymore

Sonictrainer
09-03-2010, 06:20 PM
well you have to use the homing attack to get to certain places, if its like the leaks the homing attack is mandatory, also the bouncing from the classucs dont work anymore

When does it become mandatory?

wiiplayer
09-03-2010, 06:23 PM
When does it become mandatory?

you have to watch the leaks. go to youtube and search

Vector88
09-03-2010, 06:26 PM
When does it become mandatory?

When someone needs an argument to complain

DJGameFreakTheIguana
09-03-2010, 06:28 PM
When does it become mandatory?
Basically to get to higher places and or passed death pits. I really don't see how it's a problem since he's been doing this since the adventure games, and I've played advance 2, so I know it's there. What people get mad about, is that this game put more emphasis on using it in a 2D game.

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