C/D : This should be the main cast of the Sonic series.

[Tikal Pachacamac]

In order of importance:
http://www.teamartail.com/sonicx/01/images/038eggman.jpg
http://www.teamartail.com/sonicx/01/images/042group.jpg
http://www.teamartail.com/sonicx/01/images/024cream.jpg
http://www.teamartail.com/sonicx/01/images/040rouge.jpg
http://www.teamartail.com/sonicx/01/images/044big.jpg

Poll incoming.

[shadon]

i think there could be a bit more than that,
(I see that you like tikal, the only problem that i have with her is sega makes her look kinda fat so i re drew her and made her a bit taller, skinner and gave her a kind of shoe.)

most my sonic characters drawing have them taller than there normal height.

[beckyboc]

yeah, I like this cast too... But I think Shadow should be in there if Rouge gets to come in

[shihe]

PERFECT. Leave it at that, please. It's just perfect.


I would work on Rouge's gameplay as of then, though. I wonder if Nights-like gameplay would work for her. (Meaning, being most of the time in the air, and gaining momentum through gliding, diving, rising and spinning)

On a sidenote: It's interesting how you took all of those screens from the FIRST episode of Sonic X only. :D well done.

[jmh]

..... Meh.

[Meep]

I like it when they swap different characters around. There shouldn't be a concrete main cast, aside from Sonic, Tails, and Eggman.

Howeer, Big definitely deserves more appearances.

[shihe]

I must admit, Sonic Team's persistance in including Big in their games, has made me get to like that idiot. Hopefully someday they'll make him a playable character again, with an interesting gameplay style. (Bionic Commando style, please)

[shadon]

I must admit, Sonic Team's persistance in including Big in their games, has made me get to like that idiot. Hopefully someday they'll make him a playable character again, with an interesting gameplay style. (Bionic Commando style, please)

ha so have big the heavy fighter carrying the man enhancer.

(man enhancer- a weapon so manly it can turn the tiniest of girls into a full grown man.)

[shihe]

ha so have big the heavy fighter carrying the man enhancer.

(man enhancer- a weapon so manly it can turn the tiniest of girls into a full grown man.)

That sounds... disturbing, lol.

[jmh]

That sounds... disturbing, lol.
That's what happened to me.

No lie, true story.

[Total Shadow]

To bad OC, Shadow is a part of the core main cast.

[SMS Skull Leader]

In order of importance:
http://www.teamartail.com/sonicx/01/images/038eggman.jpg
http://www.teamartail.com/sonicx/01/images/042group.jpg
http://www.teamartail.com/sonicx/01/images/024cream.jpg
http://www.teamartail.com/sonicx/01/images/040rouge.jpg
http://www.teamartail.com/sonicx/01/images/044big.jpg

Poll incoming.

Nice, tough for me the ideal would be:

0.- Big (he should be nowhere & everywhere at the same time, kind of like god)
1.- Sonic & Eggman-sama
2.- Tails & Amy (IMO they are the closest characters to Sonic and have valid justifications to be there)
3.- Knuckles, Rouge, Shadow
4.- Cream, Vector, Espio, Charmy
5.- Silver & Blaze (not because I dislike them, but rather because one is restricted to the future and the other lives in that dimension called Australia)

[Total Shadow]

Rouge is ahead of Shadow SMS?

[Miles Prower F6]

I like it when the swap different characters around. There shouldn't be a concrete main cast, aside from Sonic, Tails, and Eggman.

BING BING BING BING BING! We have a winner!

http://i1116.photobucket.com/albums/k561/Miles_Prower_CC/Miles%20Prower/176tails.jpg

[MCsq2]

Where's the Chaotix? D:

Everybody else is fine though. I'm just glad you didn't put Shadow in anymore...

[Black Doom]

Mine is similar to yours, but with a few key differences:

1. Sonic and Eggman
2. Tails, Amy, and Knuckles
3. Shadow and Cream
4. Rouge, Blaze, Silver, Omega
5. Pretty much everyone else
∞. Big

[E-25]

Confirm, though give the Chaotix cameos.

Leave Shadow in the place he was intentionally written to be, the grave.

[ultimate victory]

wheres shadow and omega?

you have some explaining to do.

[Black Doom]

Leave Shadow in the place he was intentionally written to be, the grave.

I think that would be a more appropriate place for Big. Shadow actually has a pretty crucial role in the series, he's supposed to be Sonic's rival. I think that if they made him more like he was in SA2, he'd be a bit more likeable. Honestly, I think the biggest mistake was killing him off in the first place.

[jmh]

Well I think they should include everyone. That includes Shadow.

Because like Twylis said, everyone has fans.

[Miles Prower F6]

1.- Sonic & Eggman-sama
2.- Tails & Amy (IMO they are the closest characters to Sonic and have valid justifications to be there)


This is another good model, I might even prefer it over MTP/KTE.

These 4 characters would be like the Mario set up where the minimal you need is Mario and Bowser, but Luigi and Toad(s) are generally going to be there.

[Sonic5993]

Everyone is part of the main cast, like it or not, some just appear more than others.

Hell you can argue that the only main characters at this point are Sonic, Tails, and Eggman considering everyone else hardly gets any screentime now, and the plot usually focuses around those three.

Really it depends on the plot on who's involved, because people usually say: Sonic, Tails, Knuckles, Amy, and Shadow are the "Main" characters, but the latter three hardly appear to even be considered as such.

If anything, if there is a "core" cast, it should consist of the characters who have had the most plot relevance since their debut, and really that's only: Tails, Knuckles, Amy, Shadow, and Rouge and like I said they don't even appear that often to probably be counted.

I do like the idea Meep suggested though, cycling between the cast with Sonic & Tails as the double trouble.

[Cero]

As for the main cast, I'd say it should be primarily Sonic, Eggman, Tails, Knuckles, Amy, Cream, Shadow, Rouge, The Chaotix, Big and possibly Omega

Yes I know that's everyone minus Silver, Blaze and the Babylons, but really, it could work.
Obviously Eggy and his lackies (Orbot, Cubot, & Metal) would be the main enemies
Sonic, Tails, Knuckles, Amy, and Cream being the main heroic group
Shadow and Rouge should act as a secondary group of somewhat heroes, but also as rivals to the main group
The Chaotix being a third group of heroes, though not appearing as much as the others, except possibly cameoing within stages (Like having them run by in the background, Charmy popping out of a flower's bud and taking out a pair of binoculars, Espio shooting a few shurikens (though likely invisible), Vector chilling out in a safe spot listening to his tunes)
Big should also be heavily cameoed, but also appear at times to assist the main heroes, maybe not for the entire game, like only for a few segments until he's unlocked after total completion

[Sonic5993]

As for the main cast, I'd say it should be primarily Sonic, Eggman, Tails, Knuckles, Amy, Cream, Shadow, Rouge, The Chaotix, Big and possibly Omega

Yes I know that's everyone minus Silver, Blaze and the Babylons, but really, it could work.
Obviously Eggy and his lackies (Orbot, Cubot, & Metal) would be the main enemies
Sonic, Tails, Knuckles, Amy, and Cream being the main heroic group
Shadow and Rouge should act as a secondary group of somewhat heroes, but also as rivals to the main group
The Chaotix being a third group of heroes, though not appearing as much as the others, except possibly cameoing within stages (Like having them run by in the background, Charmy popping out of a flower's bud and taking out a pair of binoculars, Espio shooting a few shurikens (though likely invisible), Vector chilling out in a safe spot listening to his tunes)
Big should also be heavily cameoed, but also appear at times to assist the main heroes, maybe not for the entire game, like only for a few segments until he's unlocked after total completion

Now this is just Advance love right here, while I don't hate any of those characters, the latter three really don't appear as much to be considered "Main characters" Its what Bleach is going through with its cast, Chad is supposed to be one of the main group, you'd hardly know given how much screentime he gets.

[Ghostal_Force]

No, this is the main cast:

http://www.movieposter.com/posters/archive/main/115/MPW-57677

And Metal Sonic. And Omega.

[Cero]

Now this is just Advance love right here, while I don't hate any of those characters, the latter three really don't appear as much to be considered "Main characters" Its what Bleach is going through with its cast, Chad is supposed to be one of the main group, you'd hardly know given how much screentime he gets.

True but this is more of what I'd like to see in the future of the games, not necessarily what it is now.

[masterball109]

Trade Big for Shadow, at least Shadow has some real gameplay.

[Sonic5993]

Trade Big for Shadow, at least Shadow has some real gameplay.

*Waits for obligatory "Shadow is a copy" comment*

True but this is more of what I'd like to see in the future of the games, not necessarily what it is now.

Fair enough. If this topic is about who we FEEL the main characters should be, then I'm fine with it.

For me it all depends on how the plot would center around them, and how much would they contribute.

Considering Sonic & Tails are usually on the run between games, its hard for anyone to get involved. I always liked the idea of Knuckles getting caught up in whatever adventure Sonic is on, and ends up enjoying it anyway despite his initail protesting about it. Amy follows Sonic everywhere so no doubt she's gonna get involved. Cream would probably acompany Amy, but I don't see anything long term in terms of gameplay.

Basically I want a cast who contribute something to the plot instead of just being pointless extras,I think the Adventure games kinda nailed it, they managed to give everyone focus, and give them something to do, even Amy who was a supporting character at best got a crucial role, I want more of that.

[Total Shadow]

Nowadays it doesn't matter who respectfully belongs, it's who's more popular.

[jmh]

Nowadays it doesn't matter who respectfully belongs, it's who's more popular.
How about both?

[Sonic5993]

Nowadays it doesn't matter who respectfully belongs, it's who's more popular.

Not really, otherwise Shadow would be in every game, which he isn't, so yeah.

[shadon]

That's what happened to me.

No lie, true story.

so you are the current holder of the man enhancer, shihe(now that i think about it, it is kinda disturbing.

story time, a long time ago a young girl didnt like how her life was as she was weak and didnt like how the blasters went pew, pew like starwars blaster guns, she created the weapon called the man enhancer, that goes BOOOOOM, BOOOOOM, every shot she took her muscles grew bigger and became more manly and overpowered everyone, the military tried to take her down but the she turned into a he and he became too manly to be token down by any force then she was erased from history so no won fears what can happen but the man enhancer was lost forever and the tribe thought that no won will find the weapon. the tribe hid it in fear that it was to manly for anyone to handle. any reports after that was lost.

[SMS Skull Leader]

I so totally forgot about Orbot & Cubot, those two should alway be Eggman's support cast (plus I really loved the bromance between those two in Colors as well as helping to balance the cast)

[Black Doom]

I so totally forgot about Orbot & Cubot, those two should alway be Eggman's support cast (plus I really loved the bromance between those two in Colors as well as helping to balance the cast)

Oh yeah! I forgot them too. Yeah, those guys should be Eggman's lackeys from now on. They're like Decoe and Bocoe but better.

[Yeow95]

Mecha Sonic is missing.

JK, anyway, I almost agree with cast (take out Big, Cream, Rouge, and Froggy and I'm OK).

[Link451]

Replace Cream and Big with Shadow and Silver, and I would agree.

[Total Shadow]

Not really, otherwise Shadow would be in every game, which he isn't, so yeah.He still shows up more than any newbie after 2001.

[jmh]

Replace Cream and Big with Shadow and Silver, and I would agree.
Indeed Batman. Indeed.

[sloth]

Almost but no. Loose Cream, Rouge, and Big. But keep Froggy and Cheese and it's a winning cast.

[jmh]

Almost but no. Loose Cream, Rouge, and Big. But keep Froggy and Cheese and it's a winning cast.
I agree with this as well. (Dang I just can't make up my mind right now can I?).

[HayleyChaotix]

The main cast should be Sonic Tails Knuckles and Eggman. No one else.

[Sonic5993]

He still shows up more than any newbie after 2001.

So do Rouge, Big, and Blaze so what's your point?

[Total Shadow]

So do Rouge, Big, and Blaze so what's your point?He shows up more than them combined. Hell Shadow showed up in Sega Tennis before Tails and Knuckles did.

[Sonic5993]

He shows up more than them combined. Hell Shadow showed up in Sega Tennis before Tails and Knuckles did.

They showed up at the same time.


Let's compare shall we?

Sonic Heroes
ShTH
Sonic 06
Sonic Battle
Sonic Chronicles
All three Rider Games


There only a few games Shadow appears without Rouge, and there spinoffs, there ALWAYS together, so by that logic, she should appear as much as Shadow.

[Black_Doom]

Get rid of, or replace Big with anybody else and sure. Until then, DENY.

[Tikal Pachacamac]

On a sidenote: It's interesting how you took all of those screens from the FIRST episode of Sonic X only. :D well done.

That.

Despite his popularity, Shadow really doesn't fit in. For starters, he isn't even natural; he was meant to be a 1 shot like Tikal, and the newer Chip, Yacker, Shara, Merlina, etc. but the fanbase wanted him back because kids idolize that crap.
What went wrong?
-His personality doesn't fit in at all, and caused darker, deeper plots to take over leading to his own game and 06.
How can it be fixed?
-At this point, it can't. Unless there's a stage in Generations on the ARK and Sonic breaks whatever robot was retconned in to save Shadow; there's no hope for him. At the very least end Team Dark and salvage one character from the mess that Heroes started (no offense to Omega fans, but he really isn't much more than a kill bot; I mean honestly, his complaint is that Eggman trusted him enough to make him guard Shadow... and he wants revenge for that.) I may dislike Rouge as a character, but at the very least she fits in with the major ones (similar personality to Sonic, but her own variation with a parrot complex and a habit of flirting/flaunting; she and Amy have a grudge that could easily be used for comedic effect; the chemistry with Knuckles, etc.)

[Sonictrainer]

Needs more Metal Sonic

[Sonic5993]

That.

Despite his popularity, Shadow really doesn't fit in. For starters, he isn't even natural; he was meant to be a 1 shot like Tikal, and the newer Chip, Yacker, Shara, Merlina, etc. but the fanbase wanted him back because kids idolize that crap.
What went wrong?
-His personality doesn't fit in at all, and caused darker, deeper plots to take over leading to his own game and 06.
How can it be fixed?
-At this point, it can't. Unless there's a stage in Generations on the ARK and Sonic breaks whatever robot was retconned in to save Shadow; there's no hope for him. At the very least end Team Dark and salvage one character from the mess that Heroes started (no offense to Omega fans, but he really isn't much more than a kill bot; I mean honestly, his complaint is that Eggman trusted him enough to make him guard Shadow... and he wants revenge for that.) I may dislike Rouge as a character, but at the very least she fits in with the major ones (similar personality to Sonic, but her own variation with a parrot complex and a habit of flirting/flaunting; she and Amy have a grudge that could easily be used for comedic effect; the chemistry with Knuckles, etc.)

Before Total Shadow responds with nonsense.

Any character can fit into the tone of the franchise, it all depends on how its written. Saying Shadow can't fit because he's too dark is bull because he was in games like Heroes, Rivals, and Free Riders and those games weren't dark in the slightest. Just because you can't think of anything doesn't mean something can't be done.

[Tikal Pachacamac]

Any character can fit into the tone of the franchise, it all depends on how its written. Saying Shadow can't fit because he's too dark is bull because he was in games like Heroes, Rivals, and Free Riders and those games weren't dark in the slightest. Just because you can't think of anything doesn't mean something can't be done.

3 that aren't grimdark, one of which is canon. Shadow, Battle, 06, Rivals 2, Adventure 2; 2.01 (or just 3) of which are canon (06 is the .01)

What would you do to salvage his character without a total personality overhaul?

[Sonic5993]

3 that aren't grimdark, one of which is canon. Shadow, Battle, 06, Rivals 2, Adventure 2; 2.01 (or just 3) of which are canon (06 is the .01)

What would you do to salvage his character without a total personality overhaul?


I dunno, put him in more comedic situations while still maintaining his serious attitude for one. Deadpan Snarker, Only Sane Man, etc.

[Tikal Pachacamac]

I dunno, put him in more comedic situations while still maintaining his serious attitude for one. Deadpan Snarker, Only Sane Man, etc.

That's sort of what I'm getting at; we have Snarkers already (Knuckles for the most part; even Tails was in Colors), Tails tends to play the sane one (though Cream can easily and Rouge could any time large jewels aren't directly involved). Knuckles is already "The Loner", and Amy can become a frightening badbutt when she gets ticked or Sonic is threatened. Shadow can't take the lovable "special character" spot, since Big occupies it pretty well; and as far as Rival or Best Friend go, he doesn't fit well there either.

[SMS Skull Leader]

and as far as Rival or Best Friend go, he doesn't fit well there either.

Not siding with Total Shadow, however when you look at it, Shadow does fit the main rival role since he's pretty much the only one that can barely match Sonic (the fact that he does it by artificial means adds to the constrast of Sonic doing it by natural ones as well as that when Shadow fights he actually has a reason to do so while Sonic does it just for his own amusement)

[Sonic5993]

That's sort of what I'm getting at; we have Snarkers already (Knuckles for the most part; even Tails was in Colors), Tails tends to play the sane one (though Cream can easily and Rouge could any time large jewels aren't directly involved). Knuckles is already "The Loner", and Amy can become a frightening badbutt when she gets ticked or Sonic is threatened. Shadow can't take the lovable "special character" spot, since Big occupies it pretty well; and as far as Rival or Best Friend go, he doesn't fit well there either.

So why there can't be more than one? You act like we have to have one of each character type. And like SMS said he's still Sonic's primary Rival,and Anti-Hero of the series. The breakdown goes like this:

(I'm gonna use Tvtropes articles, because its so much easier to use that)
Sonic's the Hero
Tails is the Sidekick/Smart Dude
Knuckles is the Lancer/Friendly Rival
Amy is the Chick/Heart
Shadow is the Rival/Anti-Hero
Rouge is the Femme Fatale/Secondary Anti-Hero
Cream is the Tagalong Kid


I can breakdown everyone's roles, but I think I got the primary crap covered.

[MechaMadness]

Seems too dull and boring ... Needs more diversity like Shadow ... But then again, have too much characters (like today's) things get hectic ...

[GamingMisfit]

You are an absolute nut if you would put in Big and Rogue but not Shadow. And I don't see the importance of Cream or Cheese either really.

[E-25]

Not siding with Total Shadow, however when you look at it, Shadow does fit the main rival role since he's pretty much the only one that can barely match Sonic (the fact that he does it by artificial means adds to the constrast of Sonic doing it by natural ones as well as that when Shadow fights he actually has a reason to do so while Sonic does it just for his own amusement)

Eh, from memory, Metal should fit that; being completely unnatural (matching Sonic's speed by artificial means) and having reason to fight Sonic. Then again, the writers are shoving Metal closer to becoming a brand new Shadow with all of this rebellion and copy power bull.

[GamingMisfit]

Eh, from memory, Metal should fit that; being completely unnatural (matching Sonic's speed by artificial means) and having reason to fight Sonic. Then again, the writers are shoving Metal closer to becoming a brand new Shadow with all of this rebellion and copy power bull.
Yeah sucks. Shadow and Metal can share it I suppose but Metal should be Sonic's "evil twin" type character. Besides Shadow has pretty much become a hero at this point.

[E-25]

Yeah sucks. Shadow and Metal can share it I suppose but Metal should be Sonic's "evil twin" type character. Besides Shadow has pretty much become a hero at this point.

Well, both are Sonic's "evil twin" (one written in as the right hand weapon to Dr. Eggman Robotnik; the other being the weapon of Dr. Gerald Robotnik). It's just that they had to bring back a 1 shot that had redeemed himself by self sacrifice; taking that away and then trying too hard to be edgy just ruined what people originally liked about him. Furthermore, that personality really wouldn't change unless they do a full overhaul; and even having had that opportunity (his game's ending) they decided to do nothing with it.

In all honesty, do you see Shadow truly fitting in with the main cast? Or do you just desperately want him in because he's dark and edgy?

[GamingMisfit]

Well, both are Sonic's "evil twin" (one written in as the right hand weapon to Dr. Eggman Robotnik; the other being the weapon of Dr. Gerald Robotnik). It's just that they had to bring back a 1 shot that had redeemed himself by self sacrifice; taking that away and then trying too hard to be edgy just ruined what people originally liked about him. Furthermore, that personality really wouldn't change unless they do a full overhaul; and even having had that opportunity (his game's ending) they decided to do nothing with it.

In all honesty, do you see Shadow truly fitting in with the main cast? Or do you just desperately want him in because he's dark and edgy?
If they were to handle him correctly I could see him as a main cast member. But less "DAMN! I'm dark and evil and Sonic's evil form look at me!" And more of a helpful character with some purpose. Metal should be Sonic's rival IMO.

[Sonic5993]

Well, both are Sonic's "evil twin" (one written in as the right hand weapon to Dr. Eggman Robotnik; the other being the weapon of Dr. Gerald Robotnik). It's just that they had to bring back a 1 shot that had redeemed himself by self sacrifice; taking that away and then trying too hard to be edgy just ruined what people originally liked about him. Furthermore, that personality really wouldn't change unless they do a full overhaul; and even having had that opportunity (his game's ending) they decided to do nothing with it.

In all honesty, do you see Shadow truly fitting in with the main cast? Or do you just desperately want him in because he's dark and edgy?

No I hate his Dark and Edginess, and thinks its played out. But that doesn't mean I want him to simply stop appearing all together, they don't need to rework his personality, just give him more than 1-dimension than just "ZOMG I AM BAD:):):):)". I don't see why Sonic can't have more than one Rival, you act like he only needs one. And while I love Metal to death, he doesn't have much in the personality department, so if Metal deserves second chance, why not Shadow?

[E-25]

I don't see why Sonic can't have more than one Rival, you act like he only needs one. And while I love Metal to death, he doesn't have much in the personality department, so if Metal deserves second chance, why not Shadow?

He has too many rivals is the point I'm getting at.
-Knuckles (The original & now battle bud)
-Metal (The original evil doppelganger that is now apparently another rogue hedgehog)
-Shadow (For one game; then they stopped being rivals and became indifferent)
-Jet (Someone else to race against, spinoff only)
-And of course; Dr. Eggman himself (he also runs fast, ^^)

Also, when did I say Metal needed another chance? Metal needs to be scrapped and replaced with the loyal one from back in the day (reprogram is just a code word).

[Sonic5993]

He has too many rivals is the point I'm getting at.
-Knuckles (The original & now battle bud)
-Metal (The original evil doppelganger that is now apparently another rogue hedgehog)
-Shadow (For one game; then they stopped being rivals and became indifferent)
-Jet (Someone else to race against, spinoff only)
-And of course; Dr. Eggman himself (he also runs fast, ^^)

Also, when did I say Metal needed another chance? Metal needs to be scrapped and replaced with the loyal one from back in the day (reprogram is just a code word).

Jet hardly appears outside of spinoffs.

Eggman is more of an Arch Enemy than anything else.


I don't think three is too big of a number to be honest.


And Metal being completely loyal to Eggman is even more boring, he'd just be another subordinate, the thing about Metal is: If he's supposed to be Sonic's evil twin he should be more Sonic like, I'm not saying he should go rogue, but when Sonic comes onto the scene Metal should say "Screw Eggman, I going after to Sonic" but he should always remain on Eggman's side.

[E-25]

And Metal being completely loyal to Eggman is even more boring, he'd just be another subordinate, the thing about Metal is: If he's supposed to be Sonic's evil twin he should be more Sonic like, I'm not saying he should go rogue, but when Sonic comes onto the scene Metal should say "Screw Eggman, I going after to Sonic" but he should always remain on Eggman's side.

That's what I meant by loyal. Had I gone through with using "obedient", then yes, that would be a counter point; however, loyal tends to mean not backstabbing, which is pretty much the most consistent thing about the current Metal. Even though 3 is a bit much still, how would Shadow fit in without derailing either the tone or the characters that have to interact with him?

[Sonic5993]

That's what I meant by loyal. Had I gone through with using "obedient", then yes, that would be a counter point; however, loyal tends to mean not backstabbing, which is pretty much the most consistent thing about the current Metal.

He only backstabbed eggman twice, hardly counts as consistent.



Even though 3 is a bit much still, how would Shadow fit in without derailing either the tone or the characters that have to interact with him?

What do you mean? Go look at games like Free Riders, the tone is hardly dark in that game, and Shadow fits just fine.

You don't have to change the tone, or derail characters for it to make sense, all you need is good writing, and prior Unleashed, the writing's kind of sucked.

[E-25]

He only backstabbed eggman twice, hardly counts as consistent.

What do you mean? Go look at games like Free Riders, the tone is hardly dark in that game, and Shadow fits just fine.

You don't have to change the tone, or derail characters for it to make sense, all you need is good writing, and prior Unleashed, the writing's kind of sucked.

He's only followed orders twice (one of which is canon; the other of which is pinball); both backstabs have been in recent games (one of which is canon; the other of which is racing)

Yeah, because it's a racing spinoff. Find a canon or main series game that involves his presence that doesn't fall victim to dark plot or poor interactions due to his presence. That's like me saying "Go look at Sonic R; Metal was loyal in that game and worked just fine".

Eh, even with Unleashed and Colors the writing is still poor; they just changed the tone to be kid friendly and simple (Chip was one of the most annoying characters that they ever came up with and he just wouldn't stop; Colors has a lot of simple humor and easy jokes)

[Sonic5993]

He's only followed orders twice (one of which is canon; the other of which is pinball); both backstabs have been in recent games (one of which is canon; the other of which is racing)

Yeah, because it's a racing spinoff. Find a canon or main series game that involves his presence that doesn't fall victim to dark plot or poor interactions due to his presence. That's like me saying "Go look at Sonic R; Metal was loyal in that game and worked just fine".

Eh, even with Unleashed and Colors the writing is still poor; they just changed the tone to be kid friendly and simple (Chip was one of the most annoying characters that they ever came up with and he just wouldn't stop; Colors has a lot of simple humor and easy jokes)


Are you really bringing Canon into this? Does it matter? The bottom line is: Metal hardly appears, when he does appear he's mostly loyal to Eggman, it doesn't matter if it was canon or not, it still happened.

So? Heroes if you wanna be prissy about it. And yes its exactly like that, the characters still interact outside of main games, canon has nothing to do with it at all.

You think so? Do you really want to go back to SRS buisness stories, Chip is hardly bad especially when compared to characters like Elise, Mephiles, and Black Doom.



All I'm saying is: Just because Shadow is mostly in SRS Buisness games, doesn't mean he only has to appear in games like that. That's like saying Big can only appear in fishing games, Knuckles only in games concerning the Master Emerald, and Rouge only in games that have something to do with GUN.

[E-25]

Are you really bringing Canon into this? Does it matter? The bottom line is: Metal hardly appears, when he does appear he's mostly loyal to Eggman, it doesn't matter if it was canon or not, it still happened.

So? Heroes if you wanna be prissy about it. And yes its exactly like that, the characters still interact outside of main games, canon has nothing to do with it at all.

You think so? Do you really want to go back to SRS buisness stories, Chip is hardly bad especially when compared to characters like Elise, Mephiles, and Black Doom.

All I'm saying is: Just because Shadow is mostly in SRS Buisness games, doesn't mean he only has to appear in games like that. That's like saying Big can only appear in fishing games, Knuckles only in games concerning the Master Emerald, and Rouge only in games that have something to do with GUN.

Metal's two most recent (better known) appearances have both been backstabs.

I said no poor interaction due to his presence, too, since we're going to be prissy about it. ^^
(Nothing was done with it; no one called him out on dying, and it was like they just forgot he gave up his life to fulfill his promise to Maria)

Doom was a ham; just poorly everything'ed. I don't like or want to ever see Doom in a game and would actually prefer it all be retconned; but he was a ham. Chip was on par with Elise, just check that one scene's voice over for the creepy couple bit ("Chip... that was... wow!") and every other for being an annoying plot device.

You are aware that that's how it is, right?
(Knux hasn't been seen since whatever happened in 06; same for Rouge. Maybe if the writers weren't so... ... we'd have better character interaction and less limited roles; but because it is Sonic Team we're talking about, they need to ditch Shadow, Silver, Blaze, Omega, and 1 shots in general and actually try to find decent writers before they even try.)

[Total Shadow]

They showed up at the same time.


Let's compare shall we?

Sonic Heroes
ShTH
Sonic 06
Sonic Battle
Sonic Chronicles
All three Rider Games


There only a few games Shadow appears without Rouge, and there spinoffs, there ALWAYS together, so by that logic, she should appear as much as Shadow.And then there were spin offs/cameo like Sega Tennis, Sonic and Mario, Sega Eye Toy, Super Smash Bros Brawl and finally Sega allstar racing, the first game where he was included before Knuckles was.

So he has made more cameos in more games than any new character after Rouge. He's just a staple.


That.

Despite his popularity, Shadow really doesn't fit in.Don't be stupid, Shadow is a typical action character trope for any competant action series.
For starters, he isn't even natural; he was meant to be a 1 shot like Tikal, and the newer Chip, Yacker, Shara, Merlina, etc. but the fanbase wanted him back because kids idolize that crap. Iizuka never intended Shadow to be one shot, he planned for Shadow to be in more games before SA2 came out and was writing the manuscript for his own side title before he was a popular character.

What went wrong?
-His personality doesn't fit in at all, and caused darker, deeper plots to take over leading to his own game and 06. Shadow was not responsible for the failings of those games, they were poorly executed by game developers and rushed. The character and his own actions are not to blame.

How can it be fixed?
-At this point, it can't. Unless there's a stage in Generations on the ARK and Sonic breaks whatever robot was retconned in to save Shadow; there's no hope for him.Your being unreasonable, and you have no idea what your talking about so you fail.
At the very least end Team Dark and salvage one character from the mess that Heroes started (no offense to Omega fans, but he really isn't much more than a kill bot; I mean honestly, his complaint is that Eggman trusted him enough to make him guard Shadow... and he wants revenge for that.) I may dislike Rouge as a character, but at the very least she fits in with the major ones (similar personality to Sonic, but her own variation with a parrot complex and a habit of flirting/flaunting; she and Amy have a grudge that could easily be used for comedic effect; the chemistry with Knuckles, etc.)I think you need grow up and stop taking everything seriously.

Shadow is always and will be a staple character in this series, he's proved his worth, his apperences have been 50/50 but they added more flavor to the series and brought new variations to Sonic brand which is why Sonic is reasonably still popular nowadays.


Before Total Shadow responds with nonsense.

Any character can fit into the tone of the franchise, it all depends on how its written. Saying Shadow can't fit because he's too dark is bull because he was in games like Heroes, Rivals, and Free Riders and those games weren't dark in the slightest. Just because you can't think of anything doesn't mean something can't be done.Yeah what he said.

[Sonic5993]

Metal's two most recent (better known) appearances have both been backstabs.

Your point? His most recent better know appearance is technically in Sonic 4.



I said no poor interaction due to his presence, too, since we're going to be prissy about it. ^^
(Nothing was done with it; no one called him out on dying, and it was like they just forgot he gave up his life to fulfill his promise to Maria)


What does this have to do with anything? We were talking about how you felt Shadow doesn't fit with the tone of the franchise.



Doom was a ham; just poorly everything'ed. I don't like or want to ever see Doom in a game and would actually prefer it all be retconned; but he was a ham. Chip was on par with Elise, just check that one scene's voice over for the creepy couple bit ("Chip... that was... wow!") and every other for being an annoying plot device.

At least he did something to save the day, and not just stand there waiting for Sonic to save him.


You are aware that that's how it is, right?
(Knux hasn't been seen since whatever happened in 06; same for Rouge. Maybe if the writers weren't so... ... we'd have better character interaction and less limited roles; but because it is Sonic Team we're talking about, they need to ditch Shadow, Silver, Blaze, Omega, and 1 shots in general and actually try to find decent writers before they even try.)


By that logic every character not Sonic,Tails & Eggman should be axed, because I doubt Sonic Team had any plans for Amy before Sa1, Knuckles was the same case as Shadow, being a popular character and what not, Rouge seems like she can never appear because of being tied to GUN, and they seemed to have nothing planned for Cream and whatnot.

What makes Knuckles, Rouge, and Cream special, but characters like Shadow, Silver, and Blaze are looked down upon? Oh because they're popular? Get real, Knuckles was the Shadow of the 90's he appeared and gained instant popularity, to the point of getting his own game(Which I'm pretty sure was pretty known at the time). I hate it when people bash a character just for being popular, no character needs to be axed, they need to be written in a way that doesn't come off as Lazy, and trite, and that goes for EVERYONE.

You don't sweep your problems under the rug, and act like they don't exist you work to fix and solve those problems.

[E-25]

Your point? His most recent better know appearance is technically in Sonic 4.

What does this have to do with anything? We were talking about how you felt Shadow doesn't fit with the tone of the franchise.

At least he did something to save the day, and not just stand there waiting for Sonic to save him.

By that logic every character not Sonic,Tails & Eggman should be axed, because I doubt Sonic Team had any plans for Amy before Sa1, Knuckles was the same case as Shadow, being a popular character and what not, Rouge seems like she can never appear because of being tied to GUN, and they seemed to have nothing planned for Cream and whatnot.

What makes Knuckles, Rouge, and Cream special, but characters like Shadow, Silver, and Blaze are looked down upon? Oh because they're popular? Get real, Knuckles was the Shadow of the 90's he appeared and gained instant popularity, to the point of getting his own game(Which I'm pretty sure was pretty known at the time). I hate it when people bash a character just for being popular, no character needs to be axed, they need to be written in a way that doesn't come off as Lazy, and trite, and that goes for EVERYONE.

You don't sweep your problems under the rug, and act like they don't exist you work to fix and solve those problems.

S4:E2 hasn't happened and may not end up happening due to Generations curb stomping it.

Because he was just shoved in without regard to the tone or plot and then nothing was even done with it. They revived Shadow... and then proceeded to dodge acknowledging that they brought back someone that died for a reason just because kids liked his dark edgy stuff. And then came his own game...

By that logic, Elise did something to save the day too; reviving Sonic.

Bingo. Characters need to have a point in existing; Shadow served his and no longer has one (even admitting it in 06 with that "I'll do what I do" line). Knuckles at the very least still has the Emerald; Amy's is to add diversity and add humor to interactions with Sonic; Silver's future is bright and happy, so he has no purpose; Cream helps Amy and also evens out the gender ratio; Rouge acts as a foil to Amy and Knuckles; Orbot & Cubot add humor and company to Dr. Eggman; Blaze is in another dimension, so ? ; Omega is out for revenge for something completely stupid, which would end the series if it were ever done; Team Chaotix add humor and 4th wall breaking moments.

Edit: Missed your edit.

Because they're unnatural. Shadow is an OP bioweapon; Silver is god mode; and Blaze has a free fire shield (Actually I like Blaze more than the other two, but out of fairness acknowledge that she isn't exactly "a keeper" either, no matter how much I'd argue otherwise if I were being fan-ish).

[Sonic5993]

S4:E2 hasn't happened and may not end up happening due to Generations curb stomping it.

No knows anything about it yet.


Because he was just shoved in without regard to the tone or plot.


Heroes didn't even have a plot for the most part, so you're not losing anything, and he was already planned to get his own game anyway.


By that logic, Elise did something to save the day too; reviving Sonic.


I mean actually participating in the fight.


Bingo. Characters need to have a point in existing; Shadow served his and no longer has one (even admitting it in 06 with that "I'll do what I do" line). Knuckles at the very least still has the Emerald; Amy's is to add diversity and add humor to interactions with Sonic; Silver's future is bright and happy, so he has no purpose; Cream helps Amy and also evens out the gender ratio; Rouge acts as a foil to Amy and Knuckles; Orbot & Cubot add humor and company to Dr. Eggman; Blaze is in another dimension, so ? ; Omega is out for revenge for something completely stupid, which would end the series if it were ever done; Team Chaotix add humor and 4th wall breaking moments.

...So its perfectly fine for Rouge to be a foil to Knuckles, and Amy.'

But Shadow being a foil to Sonic, and the general tone of the franchise is bad? What?


Characters need Purpose right, so what's Cream's purpose? Being a Sidekick to Amy is hardly anything important. Sonic already foils Knuckles pretty well, so Rouge is pointless. The Master Emerald is hardly around anymore so Knuckles is pointless.

No character should appear other than Sonic, Tails, & Eggman at this point since they serve no purpose.

[E-25]

No knows anything about it yet.

Heroes didn't even have a plot for the most part, so you're not losing anything, and he was already planned to get his own game anyway.

I mean actually participating in the fight.

...So its perfectly fine for Rouge to be a foil to Knuckles, and Amy.'

But Shadow being a foil to Sonic, and the general tone of the franchise is bad? What?

Characters need Purpose right, so what's Cream's purpose? Being a Sidekick to Amy is hardly anything important. Sonic already foils Knuckles pretty well, so Rouge is pointless. The Master Emerald is hardly around anymore so Knuckles is pointless.

No character should appear other than Sonic, Tails, & Eggman at this point since they serve no purpose.

Then how do you get off with saying this: "His most recent better know appearance is technically in Sonic 4."

Evidence? (Word of mouth doesn't cut it, and I mean before SA2 even came out kind of plans, not "Oh, look how popular he is, we should bring him back and maybe even make him star in one")

Boxing match with PDG wasn't much, but I don't like most of the 1 shots and I ended up defending Elise, so I quit right there with that line of discussion.

When he foils the tone for the entire game and derails everything, yes. (Was there really any need to go into that much depth about his past: No. He could have taken what little interesting mystery he had with him to the grave; but now we all know too much and don't give a rat's)

Eh; Sonic, Dr. Eggman, Tails, and Amy sounds like a good compromise. (Don't want an all male cast and Amy's personality probably wouldn't take as bad a hit with less characters to write; plus with better focus, the humorous interaction can be worked with to more effect.)

[Sonic5993]

When he foils the tone for the entire game and derails everything, yes. (Was there really any need to go into that much depth about his past: No. He could have taken what little interesting mystery he had with him to the grave; but now we all know too much and don't give a rat's)

Eh; Sonic, Dr. Eggman, Tails, and Amy sounds like a good compromise. (Don't want an all male cast and Amy's personality probably wouldn't take as bad a hit with less characters to write; plus with better focus, the humorous interaction can be worked with to more effect.)


Well Blame the freaking writing staff, and not Shadow. The writers were the ones who decided to make him the son of an alien, the writers were the ones who decided to give him guns, the writers were the ones who decided to change the tone of the entire franchise, not Shadow himself.

And yes there was no need to learn about his past, but I'm glad Sonic Team went out their way to make a character with some actual backstory, and development, and not just another one of Sonic's best friends.



I don't care who appears as long as they're written well.



Evidence? (Word of mouth doesn't cut it, and I mean before SA2 even came out kind of plans, not "Oh, look how popular he is, we should bring him back and maybe even make him star in one")


As it were, Iizuka would later admit that he always had future plans for the character, hoping to have him star in his own game.

Source (http://info.sonicretro.org/Shadow#Character_Conception)

[E-25]

Well Blame the freaking writing staff, and not Shadow. The writers were the ones who decided to make him the son of an alien, the writers were the ones who decided to give him guns, the writers were the ones who decided to change the tone of the entire franchise, not Shadow himself.

And yes there was no need to learn about his past, but I'm glad Sonic Team went out their way to make a character with some actual backstory, and development, and not just another one of Sonic's best friends.

I don't care who appears as long as they're written well.

Source (http://info.sonicretro.org/Shadow#Character_Conception)

I normally do, as well as the programmers and director. (Sonic Team as a whole to put it shortly)

I'm not, they pretty much wrecked the franchise and didn't even make the story coherent (what happened to Metal, why didn't Dr. Eggman find any data about Doom and his return when going through those files, why are my allies shooting at me, etc.)

I'd rather they cut the cast until they find someone capable of doing that; otherwise we just get more flanderization and making them look worse (Colors DS as the most recent example)

Excuse me for my distrust of Retro and Wikipedia, but where was the source for that quote?
(Interview, paper or video, link?, etc.)

[shihe]

In Cream's defense. Her purpose in Advance was to save her kidnapped mother. Isn't that reason enough to fight?
In Advance 3 I think she just tagged along seeing as how Eggman was a bad person up to no good. I don't quite remember exactly.

In Heroes Cheese's friend Chocola was missing, Froggy was missing, and Amy suddenly felt an urge to marry him once and for all, so Amy, Cream and Big join forces to help each other carry out their own personal missions.

In Sonic Battle, Cream was through with fighting, probably after the adrenaline rush that the events in Advance 2 were for her she decided to stopped fighting, but Emerl then taught her that it's alright to fight for what she thinks is right. Then we see her again in Advance 3 kicking butt once more. Not to mention the Advance 3 ending was pretty much dedicated to HER and re-establishing a friendship with G-mel.


I fail to see why Cream has no purpose in her stories.
As to how she serves a purpose to the cast?
Well, she has a unique personality, balances out the dark and grittyness (brought by you know who... but fine, I'll blame the writers for that, I too would love for Shadow to be more on the humoristic side, even if they're cruel jokes), is an easy mode for beginniers, a good partner and friend for Amy as seen in Advance 3, Battle, Rush, Heroes, Shadow the Hedgehog, and I think Riders if I'm not mistaken. And pretty much the only person that will listen to Amy, though sometimes even SHE gets a little fed up with Amy's stubborness.

Cream serves much more of a purpose than Tails nowdays, in MY opinion of course.

[Sonic5993]

I'm not, they pretty much wrecked the franchise and didn't even make the story coherent (what happened to Metal, why didn't Dr. Eggman find any data about Doom and his return when going through those files, why are my allies shooting at me, etc.)

Didn't I say that the writing sucked? In any case, Shadow's game was 6 years ago, is it really worth bringing up


I'd rather they cut the cast until they find someone capable of doing that; otherwise we just get more flanderization and making them look worse (Colors DS as the most recent example)


They seem to be doing that with Colors though, so....yeah. I'm interested to see how these new guys can make everyone else.



Excuse me for my distrust of Retro and Wikipedia, but where was the source for that quote?
(Interview, paper or video, link?, etc.)


Ask Retro, they mostly get all of the Sonic News and whatnot, I mean they were part of the group who debuted the new voices, so I'm pretty sure its legit.

[Sonic5993]

In Cream's defense. Her purpose in Advance was to save her kidnapped mother. Isn't that reason enough to fight?
In Advance 3 I think she just tagged along seeing as how Eggman was a bad person up to no good. I don't quite remember exactly.

In Heroes Cheese's friend Chocola was missing, Froggy was missing, and Amy suddenly felt an urge to marry him once and for all, so Amy, Cream and Big join forces to help each other carry out their own personal missions.

In Sonic Battle, Cream was through with fighting, probably after the adrenaline rush that the events in Advance 2 were for her she decided to stopped fighting, but Emerl then taught her that it's alright to fight for what she thinks is right. Then we see her again in Advance 3 kicking butt once more. Not to mention the Advance 3 ending was pretty much dedicated to HER and re-establishing a friendship with G-mel.


I fail to see why Cream has no purpose in her stories.
As to how she serves a purpose to the cast?
Well, she has a unique personality, balances out the dark and grittyness (brought by you know who... but fine, I'll blame the writers for that, I too would love for Shadow to be more on the humoristic side, even if they're cruel jokes), is an easy mode for beginniers, a good partner and friend for Amy as seen in Advance 3, Battle, Rush, Heroes, Shadow the Hedgehog, and I think Riders if I'm not mistaken. And pretty much the only person that will listen to Amy, though sometimes even SHE gets a little fed up with Amy's stubborness.

Cream serves much more of a purpose than Tails nowdays.

I'm talking about the series as a whole, those are just one shots. Her personality is pretty much a mix of Tails and Amy's, not that its bad, but its hardly worth ringing home about. Tails serves the role as beginner(As evidenced by S3&K), and as we know Sonic's right hand man, which he firmly takes place as in Colors.

I'm not saying Cream should be axed, but they need to find other things for her to do than just being Amy's sidekick, I kinda liked her little arc with Blaze and Emerl so maybe some more of that, I don't mind her being Amy's Tails but like Tails, she needs to have more than just being her sidekick.

[Sky Hedgehogian Maestro]

Why not just keep it at Sonic, Tails, and Eggman. Oh, and Metal Sonic. He'd make a great, TRUE rival.

[E-25]

They seem to be doing that with Colors though, so....yeah. I'm interested to see how these new guys can make everyone else.

I'm not; for as meh a game as Colors was (kiddie jokes all around; mediocre platformer at best; reusing 3 bosses; etc.), I really don't think that any plot about time warping is going to fare well at all (just being honest, I don't see Generations doing well; and that's not even going into the programmers lack of trying to make Sonic's gameplay decent and instead halving the game and making a new old wth character to accommodate for it)

[shihe]

I'm talking about the series as a whole, those are just one shots. Her personality is pretty much a mix of Tails and Amy's, not that its bad, but its hardly worth ringing home about. Tails serves the role as beginner(As evidenced by S3&K), and as we know Sonic's right hand man, which he firmly takes place as in Colors.

I'm not saying Cream should be axed, but they need to find other things for her to do than just being Amy's sidekick, I kinda liked her little arc with Blaze and Emerl so maybe some more of that, I don't mind her being Amy's Tails but like Tails, she needs to have more than just being her sidekick.

Well, what can I say? I agree with you (except the thing about "one-shots", she more like was important for a certain, post-adventure time period, and then she just vanished). She should have a bit more story focus with Amy, Blaze and Emerl/Gmel. But I don't think that'll ever happen until we see Sonic Heroes 2 or something. SEGA's being awfully careful with characters lately. It's a shame, really. I'm willing to have anyone... ANYONE, for variety's sake at this point.


I don't even care if she doesn't appear in any more mainstream games /handhelds. I want her in SPINOFFS at the very least. =/ But she rarely appears there, even.

*Sigh* Time to add her to my sig.

[Sonic5993]

Well, what can I say? I agree with you (except the thing about "one-shots", she more like was important for a certain, post-adventure time period, and then she just vanished). She should have a bit more story focus with Amy, Blaze and Emerl/Gmel. But I don't think that'll ever happen until we see Sonic Heroes 2 or something. SEGA's being awfully careful with characters lately. It's a shame, really. I'm willing to have anyone... ANYONE, for variety's sake at this point.


I don't even care if she doesn't appear in any more mainstream games /handhelds. I want her in SPINOFFS at the very least. =/ But she rarely appears there, even.

To be honest I wouldn't mind characters appearing more like in a roulette kind of theme, with Sonic, Tails, Knuckles, Amy, and Cream being the center of the plot while it focuses on other characters.

For instance maybe the plot involves Time Travel, and Silver has to step in. Amy, and Cream can help Silver find whatever he's looking for, while giving Amy someone else to befriend, someone for Cream to interact with, and maybe some development for Silver. There are so many things I can think of, but it all depends on how its executed.

[E-25]

To be honest I wouldn't mind characters appearing more like in a roulette kind of theme, with Sonic, Tails, Knuckles, Amy, and Cream being the center of the plot while it focuses on other characters.

No. That's what happened with Rivals, 06, Riders, and even the Adventure games to a large extent. Other characters can appear and all that jazz, but the main focus shouldn't stop being Sonic vs. Dr. Eggman.

[SMS Skull Leader]

To be honest I wouldn't mind characters appearing more like in a roulette kind of theme, with Sonic, Tails, Knuckles, Amy, and Cream being the center of the plot while it focuses on other characters.

How about keeping only Sonic & Eggman as the main cast while everyone else takes turns (even Tails, since he is just a sidekick, not a co-protagonist). That way some characters who usually are neglected could finally rerceive some attention for a change.

[Sonic5993]

No. That's what happened with Rivals, 06, Riders, and even the Adventure games to a large extent. Other characters can appear and all that jazz, but the main focus shouldn't stop being Sonic vs. Dr. Eggman.

The same plot gets boring after a while, I don't mind the plot focusing on someone else, as long as Sonic is at the center of it all, I could careless. Hell the Adventure games for all of the story it had, still focused mostly on Sonic.

[Sonic5993]

How about keeping only Sonic & Eggman as the main cast while everyone else takes turns (even Tails, since he is just a sidekick, not a co-protagonist). That way some characters who usually are neglected could finally rerceive some attention for a change.

A game with a large cast can work as long as its written properly, Look at One Piece it has the biggest cast of recurring characters I've seen, and the focus never leaves the main crew, I'd want something more like that.

[E-25]

A game with a large cast can work as long as its written properly, Look at One Piece it has the biggest cast of recurring characters I've seen, and the focus never leaves the main crew, I'd want something more like that.

I just did a quick google for metacritic scores... One Piece games aren't even breaking 70.
If you mean TV show; that's something else entirely, and Sonic X did a fair job of keeping Shadow from turning into a spotlighthog by introducing him late on and leaving him dead until the series was over (ending of Season 2), then they flanderized everyone for the nonSeason.

[SMS Skull Leader]

A game with a large cast can work as long as its written properly, Look at One Piece it has the biggest cast of recurring characters I've seen, and the focus never leaves the main crew, I'd want something more like that.

That could work as well. Still even shounen series sometimes dedicate one or two episodes to explore one of the character, I really would like to see something like that.

[Sonic5993]

I just did a quick google for metacritic scores... One Piece games aren't even breaking 70.
If you mean TV show; that's something else entirely, and Sonic X did a fair job of keeping Shadow from turning into a spotlighthog by introducing him late on and leaving him dead until the series was over (ending of Season 2), then they flanderized everyone for the nonSeason.


Not really, most of the Mario RPG's do a good job of giving enough screen time to the characters too.


Really it all depends on who we'd feel should be regulars, while everyone else she be recurring characters.

For instance the regulars can be Sonic, Tails, and Eggman.

While everyone else are recurring characters who show up depending on the plot, and can either show up in great numbers or one at a time.

One Plot would star Sonic, Tails, Eggman, Amy, and Knuckles

Another would star: Sonic, Tails, Eggman, Shadow , and Omega.

And so on, and so on, changing it up every time.

[E-25]

Not really, most of the Mario RPG's do a good job of giving enough screen time to the characters too.

Yes, all 4 of them...
(But seriously, One Piece? One Piece? Even Sonic games are doing better than that)

[Sonic5993]

Yes, all 4 of them...
(But seriously, One Piece? One Piece? Even Sonic games are doing better than that)

Your point?


...Bull. Shite. IF we're talking about Games then yeah, but the One Piece franchise as whole is MILES ahead of Sonic, its the most popular manga in Japan, Sonic's never been noted for anything in Japan.

[The Freedom Fighter]

Big is the cameo king. In fact...
http://img76.imageshack.us/img76/8352/kingbigaq9.png (http://img76.imageshack.us/img76/8352/kingbigaq9.png)

[Total Shadow]

I find the Shadow story in Sonic 06 the best writing he's ever gotten.

[The Freedom Fighter]

I find the Shadow story in Sonic 06 the best writing he's ever gotten.
Maybe so, but I don't think that's enough justification to be a regular anymore.

[E-25]

Your point?

...Bull. Shite. IF we're talking about Games then yeah, but the One Piece franchise as whole is MILES ahead of Sonic, its the most popular manga in Japan, Sonic's never been noted for anything in Japan.

Games are a lot easier to deal with when they aren't crammed full of unnecessary extras.

Considering that this is the Games forum and that I've been ragging on characters and things that haven't appeared in the shows...

[BamaFan99]

take big out and put in shadow and there's your cast right there.