VF5 Final Showdown "Complete Edition" Retail DVD?

[City Hunter]

Hi

This is more a suggestion for Sega.

Why don't you make a DISC retail edition of Virtua Fighter 5 Final Showdown with all DLC and modes included?
You can offer a better deal, the complete edition with all the DLC at 30$ for example, with disc, manual and no DRM of course.
You already did it with the Dreamcast Collection and it worked.

You can reach more people with a retail edition, more people means more money and a better future for the VF franchise.
VF deserves more,

Thank you

[Shenmue3please]

unlikely, but it would be nice. i suppose we should be glad that we got this game, supposedly sega didn't want to bring it out at all.

its a shame that sega is heading in the direction of digital content download only, but at least they are not gone altogether.

[Knuckles Chaotix]

That would be really cool.

[City Hunter]

It would be the best deal especially for xbox360 owners who didn't received the discounted bundle on PS3, and even on PS3 that bundle not last long, a retail edition could be a better deal forever for both 360 and ps3 owners.

[SEGA_Fever]

A disc-based version for PlayStation 3/Xbox 360 would be nice, but I think it's unlikely. I'm just glad we even got this version of the game! ^^

I am a PlayStation Plus-member, so I got the basic game for free. But even so, I bought the Complete Edition for €24,99. Totally worth it!

[Asraik]

A disc-based version for PlayStation 3/Xbox 360 would be nice, but I think it's unlikely. I'm just glad we even got this version of the game! ^^

I am a PlayStation Plus-member, so I got the basic game for free. But even so, I bought the Complete Edition for €24,99. Totally worth it!

I also being a PlayStation Plus-member got it free. Why was the complete edition worth it? Although I am not a huge fan of fighting games I am curious as to why it would be a good purchase.

[shihe]

I also being a PlayStation Plus-member got it free. Why was the complete edition worth it? Although I am not a huge fan of fighting games I am curious as to why it would be a good purchase.

I want to know this as well.

Is $15 bucks (that's like another whole game's worth) really worth it for just cosmetic changes?

Also.. DRM? Seriously?

[City Hunter]

since the game is doing well, hopefully this will make sega consider the DVD version.

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since the game is doing well, hopefully this will make sega consider the DVD version.

But then people would complain about the fact that releasing a DVD version is like laughing at the users who bought the downloadable game or something like that, wouldn't they?

[Skode]

Sega if rumours are to be believed werent interested in giving the console market the Arcade version of the game... it was through dogged and determined fan demand its seen the light of day. Sure its arguably barebones compared to the infinitely more fancy but hollow experiences such as Sf X T, Umvc3 or SCV but the fact its a cracking fighting series which doesnt rely on gimmics means its starting to reach a new audience who have come on board since the revival of the genre thanks to Onos SFIV series.

As this was considered a risk regardless its accessible to more people to counter the OPs stance on it being retail released by being so cheap to download... $15 is sod all for the price of such a game, PS+ lads and lassies got it for sod all. Would that price point have been feasable with disc release, shipping and all other relavent costs? If Sega really wants to do a disc release for VF then they should of course but it shouldnt be this game and instead VF6... they are perhaps gauging the interest in the genre via this game to see if they want to push on with the series again.

[City Hunter]

But then people would complain about the fact that releasing a DVD version is like laughing at the users who bought the downloadable game or something like that, wouldn't they?

I don't think so, for example I never saw people complaining about Dremcast games being released Retail on DVD with the Dreamcast Collection while some of those games were already available on Xbla and PSN.

I saw instead people buying the Dreamcast Collection for X360 in retail stores, same people that probably would never bought the same games separately if they were only available in digital delivery.
Sega is ignoring this side of market, take an example again to the dreamcast collection, Crazy Taxi on leaderboards surpassed the 99999 players only on X360 (almost twi times the VF5 sales on both 360 and PS3), that means more than 100k copies, pretty solid numbers for a porting, and thess results were achieved because Crazy taxi had both a digital release and DVD release.

Imagine now VF5FS with a DVD release...

[City Hunter]

Sega if rumours are to be believed werent interested in giving the console market the Arcade version of the game... it was through dogged and determined fan demand its seen the light of day. Sure its arguably barebones compared to the infinitely more fancy but hollow experiences such as Sf X T, Umvc3 or SCV but the fact its a cracking fighting series which doesnt rely on gimmics means its starting to reach a new audience who have come on board since the revival of the genre thanks to Onos SFIV series.

As this was considered a risk regardless its accessible to more people to counter the OPs stance on it being retail released by being so cheap to download... $15 is sod all for the price of such a game, PS+ lads and lassies got it for sod all. Would that price point have been feasable with disc release, shipping and all other relavent costs? If Sega really wants to do a disc release for VF then they should of course but it shouldnt be this game and instead VF6... they are perhaps gauging the interest in the genre via this game to see if they want to push on with the series again.

it was confirmed by people of the Am port team, that they wanted to make a dvd release, but Sega west went for a digital release.
So it's not like "Digital Delivery saved virtua fighter", Final showdwon would be released anyway, man we are in the revival of fighting games after all...

15$ it's surely a good price (normal price for a DD game), but the complete game is expensive, 30-45$, same price of a DVD budget release, I would not be that happy...
It's isn't accessible to more people for a simple fact, digital market is way smaller than the retail market.
VF5 was a million seller, Final Showdown had only 8000 download on X360 and on PS3 they reached those numbers only because it was free.
There are huge differences in size between retail and digital market.

VF6 will be available maybe in the next gen, hope as a retail release with the return of quest mode etc, but we have to think to final showdown now, and a DVD edition, especially on 360 where the sales are more weak, and maybe wven a pc version, could really hamlp the game to reach more people, like a AAA fighing game should do.

[Clumsyorchid]

It's isn't accessible to more people for a simple fact, digital market is way smaller than the retail market.
VF5 was a million seller, Final Showdown had only 8000 download on X360 and on PS3 they reached those numbers only because it was free.

I'm sure you could make a claim for digital vs retail - but your numbers on VF5 sales vs Final Showdown are a bit skewed. VF5 launched in 2007 and has had 5 years worth of time to get to that million+ number, whereas Final Showdown has had a week.

The discussion of digital vs retail is an interesting one, but there's a ton more going on in the conversation than simply week 1 sales and that should factor into the discussion.

[City Hunter]

I'm sure you could make a claim for digital vs retail - but your numbers on VF5 sales vs Final Showdown are a bit skewed. VF5 launched in 2007 and has had 5 years worth of time to get to that million+ number, whereas Final Showdown has had a week.

The discussion of digital vs retail is an interesting one, but there's a ton more going on in the conversation than simply week 1 sales and that should factor into the discussion.

Of course ^^
But if we see the numbers of other sega digital titles, it's simple to figure out how VF5FS will sell in the mid-long-term.

I think you agree that digital titles (except for a few rare titles) will never reach the numbers of a retail game.

[Clumsyorchid]

Yes, but digital can be a cost saving proposition in that there is no physical goods to produce, meaning the amount sold for success will be less than that of a boxed product. If each boxed product has a cost of production, then you have to sell more and more to match the overall investment on the quantity.

Digital does not have that issue and can recoup costs from a lower price point to attract more people, the DLC helps too (though again, not mandatory), as can sales and promotions. Of course all of this comes back to how much the product costs to bring to market and the sales thereafter - not strictly a numbers game in units sold as a measurement for success when comparion a boxed prouct to a digital one. Certainly not a 1:1 comparison for in this regard.

[City Hunter]

Yes, but digital can be a cost saving proposition in that there is no physical goods to produce, meaning the amount sold for success will be less than that of a boxed product. If each boxed product has a cost of production, then you have to sell more and more to match the overall investment on the quantity.

Digital does not have that issue and can recoup costs from a lower price point to attract more people, the DLC helps too (though again, not mandatory), as can sales and promotions. Of course all of this comes back to how much the product costs to bring to market and the sales thereafter - not strictly a numbers game in units sold as a measurement for success when comparion a boxed prouct to a digital one. Certainly not a 1:1 comparison for in this regard.

sure digital delivery is a cost saving proposition, but it should be used on niche indipendent games, not for a AAA brand like Virtua Fighter, especially in this generation with the full revival of fighting games (just look at how many "versions" are released in Retail for every fighting games, and many of them doesn't have the same amount of content from a version to another like of VF5 and Final Showdown have...), that means waste a lot of potential for the Virtua Fighter brand.
Having a userbase of 50k/100k people, is not like having a 500k/1million of people, especially looking at the future of the series with Virtua Fighter 6, make the brand stronger should be the priority of Sega.

of course the costs are higher for a boxed product (due to package production etc.), but the profits will be higher too due to the wider retail market (otherwise the retail market would already be extinct)

I think trying with a Retail edition is a safe bet now, especially since you already covered the production costs, this is good chance to expand the market of the game and make the brand stronger.

[tameabadgirl]

really? REALLY, SEGA?? you even can't publish your own games??? hope you will go broke very soon and Virtua Fighter series will pick up some one who can. Thank you for your attention.

[Clumsyorchid]

really? REALLY, SEGA?? you even can't publish your own games??? hope you will go broke very soon and Virtua Fighter series will pick up some one who can. Thank you for your attention.

Hi. We published this game. Welcome to the forums.

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Hi. We published this game. Welcome to the forums.

LOL. Best reply ever.

[RoqueDemon]

LOL. Best reply ever.
Agreed

[Skode]

LOL. Best reply ever.

Aye, it certainly tamedabadgirl

[Anarch0989]

May I add something relevant to this? I doubt this will be on the disc and here's why: one is too much money to produce and two is using the disc alone will bring more loading times even though if you use data install. If we're going to make the game complete even with kumite and story mode if gamers getting bored or like to watch CG cinematics, so AM2 may have to work on a downloadable game through Games on Demand for the Xbox 360. I mean sure, 2gb is enough for an XBLA game, but through Games on Demand relies in terms of Microsoft. Right now, it is best to have what we have this summer and if SEGA ever kills off Virtua Fighter due to Dead or Alive 5 coming out, I dunno... I love this game as much as DOA. It is so much better than Tekken, period.

[City Hunter]

I don't think loadings will be a problem, Final showdown have the same loading time of Virtua Fighter 5 on disc...
Even the dreamcast collection on disc have the same loading time of the DD versions of each games, so it's not a problem here.

We aren't asking for more content like CG intro, story mode (it would be a must) or quest, that should be planned before the release of FS, and hope to see that on Virtua Fighter 6, we are simply asking to release a DVD edition with all the dlc included, like sega did with the dreamcast collection, more simple than that...

It's not a matter of money here, let's talk clearly, if small publisher can afford to publish their fighing game retail, a big publisher like Sega could do much more.

[Copedw25]

Hi.

Just going to put my two cents out there for those that asked if buying the DLC aside from the $15 game is worth it; yes. I say yes for the simple fact that it's more money for them. I don't claim to know SEGA's financial situation, but it costs money to make games. Whether it's on a disc or a digital download, it's expensive. I for one would love to see a Virtua Fighter 6. So, get you your favorite character some new duds, and unlock that extra "fight mode" in VF5FS. Support SEGA and they'll be able to continue making games you want to play!

As for the whole digital vs. physical games being more accessible to people: I guess, kind of. Who doesn't have Internet these days? For those that don't, I guess having a physical copy to buy would be beneficial to those minorities.

I'm new here, and kind of curious; will there be a Virtua Fighter 6? I'm one of those that saw it on PSN and snagged it along with all the DLC. Since then, I've fallen in love with it and constantly figuring out combos and getting my butt whooped online. Formerly a Tekken fanboy, but after playing the same fighting game for 10 years, you kind of want something different. I tried to play it again ( T6 ) and couldn't stomach it as the game is litterally determined by who juggles who first. With VF, sure, there's juggles and a few ways to punish your opponent, but it feels more realistic, and not on a massive scale as on Tekken or Street Fighter. The pace of this game is much more entertaining to me, and really hope to see a sequel.

[kevin the hedgehog]

As much that i like sega, i bought virtua fighter 5 final showdown from day one, i will not buy the costumes. for a simple reason, the game must be released on DVD complete, where is the time that you could play all of your costumes free, by unlocking them. No i will not be a supporter of Digital only, i want a disc a booklet and case. Im a real Collector, if it's only on a HDD, what do you have then ?
Nothing than just air and you can't see it in your collection. And if Sega is plannig for more games only digital, i will buy only the game but no DLC that's not supposed to be DLC. I hope There will be a virtua fighter 6 on DVD. I like Virtua fighter final showdown, it's only a shame i don't have it complete and hope it will be released on DVD also.

[Copedw25]

If you're a collector, you could just buy VF5, and have FS on HDD? I wonder how the sales are so far for VFFS.

[kevin the hedgehog]

If you're a collector, you could just buy VF5, and have FS on HDD? I wonder how the sales are so far for VFFS.

I have virtua fighter 5 on dvd and final showdown on HDD, but not the costumes of final showdown.

[City Hunter]

So VF5 FS reached 300k (thanks to PSNPlus, but it's still profits for Sega), so, isnt' it time to release a complete dvd edition?

[Copedw25]

Or announce development for VF6!

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Now that there's VF characters in DOA, it would be the perfect chance to get a tae kwon do guy in VF, if they included Rig as a new character in VF6. On and Kazuma from the Yakuza series as a secret mid-boss 8-)

[City Hunter]

I saw that the 360 version is stuck at 15000 players after a month.
A Retail DVD edition could really boost sales, especially on the long term.

[City Hunter]

Some weeks ago, VF5 FS had a discount for limited time on Xbox Live, very good but the customization packs didn't received are are still pretty expensive.

Even now after all this time, a DVD edition continue to be the best solution for those who want a complete edition by spending money on something real, like a dvd, a case a manual.

Surely it will not happen, the digital release of FS greatly reduced the userbase of VF...

[9.9.99]

Now that there's VF characters in DOA, it would be the perfect chance to get a tae kwon do guy in VF, if they included Rig as a new character in VF6. On and Kazuma from the Yakuza series as a secret mid-boss 8-)
sega should stand clear of tecmo virtua fighter is a mans fighting game doa is not just my opinion

[City Hunter]

Sony will publishe a collection of PSN games called "best of playstatio network vol.1", so there will be other volumes, there is a great chance for Sega to include Virtua Fighter 5 Final Showdown (with all DLC) and other Sega games.