Topic Change ~ "Cheating In Guilty Gear XX Reload"

[Saiten-Genjo-Sanzo-Hosu]

Ok does anybody know any infinate combos?

IF not:

Do you have videos of them?
Do you know a site which tells you how to do them.
Do you have any idea's?

Also post your best combos
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My Strongest character is Potemkin.

the strongest combo I know is:

while enemy is in corner: Do potemkin buster, VERY SLIGHT PAUSE, Duck + hard slash, heat extent. (both parts)

This combo is DEADLY if done with full health, some characters will only have 25% of their life left.

Another good combo I know is: When close to an Opponent slash, slash, hard slash, F.D.B.

[Kirby]

My best Ex Ky combo:

Dash in, do a low kick to bring their guard down, follow up with a forward heavy slash, then the swipe-and-kick move (I think it's called Greed Sever, I keep mixing up the names) roman cancel on the kick, do a crouching heavy slash, followed by a stun edge, or a large one if they're cornered.
If they aren't cornered, you can try what I pulled off by sheer luck: quick airdash over your opponent while he's on the ground, leaving a spark in the air as you go. Position it directly above him, so he either has to stand guard it, or duck under it. If he ducks, try and dust him, then slash, heavy slashx2, followed by a lightning edge.
One word - uber. At least as far as Ky is concerned.

[Saiten-Genjo-Sanzo-Hosu]

Awesome I'll Try that out.

I found out a REALLY cheap combo with baiken. it's like 21 hits. (although this sounds deadly it's not. It only takes down a little over 25%)

This is really easy to do

While opponent is on ground: Jump +k, land, jump, punch, punch, kick, land, then REPEAT jump, punch, punch, kick

Great combo for making people mad. :lol:

And if you connect that with the air dust to bounce them off the wall, man there's no telling what you can do.

I'm still trying to figure out a way to connect that combo with a ground dust. If anyone finds out how to do this then TELL ME PLEASE.

[Saiten-Genjo-Sanzo-Hosu]

techniques

Baited: To fool your opponent into reacting to your setups. This involves faking them using feint moves or quick attacks that can be cancelled into your actual move.

Buffer: To input an attack or a motion while in another animation. For example, you can buffer 63214 while Sol is performing his S attack and then press 6H to perform his Tyrant Rave Overdrive. The game will read the 63214 motion and then add that to the 6H input that follows and activate the Overdrive

Crossup: When a character jumps over another and attacks, they have the potential to attack them while jumping over them, landing and performing a combo. This is called crossing up your opponent because their character is literally crossed up while you are attacking.

Gatling Combo: This is the Guilty Gear name for your standard chain combos, where a player will press the attack buttons in a certain sequence in order to achieve a combo. Also referred to as Ground Chains.

Lockdown: The ability to force a player into a situation where they have no alternative but to block every attack thrown at them. Characters who specialize in lockdowns look to force the opponent into committing errors while attempting to get through the lockdown. Once they have made a mistake, lockdown characters will capitalize. Also referred to as Traps.
Overhead: A property given to some moves that allow them to hit crouching opponents even though they are blocking.

Priority: Much like a game of Paper, Rock, Scissors, certain moves take precedence or priority over other moves.

Rushdown: The opposite of Lockdown. Character who rushdown will play an extremely aggressive game that literally gives their opponent no choice but to block every attack and look for an opening in the barrage of attacks coming towards them.

Technical Crouch: A property given to many moves that allows them to duck under high attacks.

Wakeup: A situation where an opponent is about to get up after being knocked down by an attack.
http://guides.ign.com/guides/482708/page_6.html

[Saiten-Genjo-Sanzo-Hosu]

Tips for Potemkin


Potemkin is the big juggernaut of Guilty Gear X2, and that shows in the fact that he can't dash at all. He's just one lumbering fool that can probably take off 50% of your life in one easy combo. Because of Potemkin's sloth-like movement, you need to use everything in your :):):):)nal to overcome lockdown experts like Venom and Faust as well as the rushdown characters like Millia. Fortunately Potemkin has tools he can use in just about every situation.

The Hammer Fall is a great tool to use in combos, whether or not they are blocked. If it hits then it takes off a significant amount of life, and if it is blocked it does a ton of guard damage. You can also Roman Cancel the Hammer Fall so that it sets yourself up for the Potemkin Buster. Mega Fists are actually quite good in moving yourself around the stage, since Potemkin's foot speed leaves much to be desired. It also counts as an overhead so crouching opponents will get hit. His two best moves are the Potemkin Buster and the Heat Knuckle. As an anti-air, the Heat Knuckle has no equal. It does a ton of damage and has a followup you can tack on for even more damage. By Roman Cancelling the Heat Extend, you can also follow up with the Heavenly Potemkin Buster for over 50% of your opponent's lifebar, and it's not even a hard combo to pull off!

The Potemkin Buster is a throw, and it does a hell of a lot of damage. Best of all, it can be comboed into with 6K! You can bet that good players will be baiting people with the 6K in hopes of landing a guaranteed Potemkin Buster. In any area on the stage except for the corner, the best followup for a Potemkin Buster is probably a Mega Fist or standing S. In the corner is where things get really nasty with the Potemkin Buster. Because your opponent won't be tossed a great distance while in the corner, you can start pulling off some really nasty combos, such as Potemkin Buster, S, 2H, Heavenly Potemkin Buster or Potemkin Buster, S, Heat Knuckle, Heat Extend, Roman Cancel, Heavenly Potemkin Buster. The possibilities are literally endless here!

http://guides.ign.com/guides/482708/page_22.html

[Kirby]

Any tips for I-no or Dizzy? I'm trying to get better with them.
Nice idea for Baiken too, that little combo sounds maddening. :twisted:

But this is the height of cheapness: Ex Chipp, 623s, k, rinse and repeat.

A rather nasty combo for Ex Jam against a cornered opponent: Forward kick, Slash, Forward HS, Crouch HS, Crouch S, jump up after them, Px2, K, S, HS, D. If you're feeling cheeky, you can try to RC from the Aerial Dust into the midair 236236K OD.

Ky: Why can't you RC from slide to Greed Sever!? They were made for each other!!

[Shadow Draygon]

*can't stop laughing*

[Sh-ar-ky]

*can't stop laughing*

...
OMG like you dont know how fast an Xwing can go in MPH
Cant stop laughing your soooo lame!1!!1!

I take it your uncontrolably laughing because
you already know all the things he is saying?

The thing is not EVERYONE is a complete nerd
some people have social lives and well, don't suck at life..

*Cant stop lauching*

Of corse if that wasnt why you were lauching and I missed something
then Im very sorry.
But it seemed very rude and quite sad really.

[Shadow Draygon]

Nah, I'm laughing because all of those combos either suck or don't work.

And Ex characters? Ha!

There's no combos for them because they're illegal in tournys so it's pointless to practice with them.

And some of the are either extrememly cheesey (Ex Testament) or just a much worse counter part of the real character (Ex Venom).

[Sh-ar-ky]

Nah, I'm laughing because all of those combos either suck or don't work.

And Ex characters? Ha!

There's no combos for them because they're illegal in tournys so it's pointless to practice with them.

And some of the are either extrememly cheesey (Ex Testament) or just a much worse counter part of the real character (Ex Venom).

Yeah this is what I'm saying..
Not everyone is a complete Guilty Gear :):):):):)
You werent always a guilty gear fan and combos in that game
arent exactly commen knolage so I cant see whats so funny.

Thats like a Star Treak fan laughing at people who dont know
the names of the cast of the first series..
Not EVERYONE is a Star Treak geek same as not everyone is a GG geek.

But thats hardly a way to act, You should be happy that more people
are taking interest in the series not laugh at them when they dont know
every last detail.. If anything they should be laughing at you..

Saiten-Genjo-Sanzo-Hosu, Is a SEGA fan not just guilty gear
So just keep it in mind.
That was pretty damn rude of you..

[darkshadowDTG]

Nah, I'm laughing because all of those combos either suck or don't work.

And Ex characters? Ha!

There's no combos for them because they're illegal in tournys so it's pointless to practice with them.

And some of the are either extrememly cheesey (Ex Testament) or just a much worse counter part of the real character (Ex Venom).

Yeah this is what I'm saying..
Not everyone is a complete Guilty Gear :):):):):)
You werent always a guilty gear fan and combos in that game
arent exactly commen knolage so I cant see whats so funny.

Thats like a Star Treak fan laughing at people who dont know
the names of the cast of the first series..
Not EVERYONE is a Star Treak geek same as not everyone is a GG geek.

But thats hardly a way to act, You should be happy that more people
are taking interest in the series not laugh at them when they dont know
every last detail.. If anything they should be laughing at you..

Saiten-Genjo-Sanzo-Hosu, Is a SEGA fan not just guilty gear
So just keep it in mind.
That was pretty damn rude of you..

yeah and im a pro gamer but im still gonna laugh at them for the same reasons SD put up


Nah, I'm laughing because all of those combos either suck or don't work.

And Ex characters? Ha!

There's no combos for them because they're illegal in tournys so it's pointless to practice with them.

And some of the are either extrememly cheesey (Ex Testament) or just a much worse counter part of the real character (Ex Venom).

pretty much hes explaining tourny regulations (besides the combos), and about being a GG :):):):):), theres no such thing in gaming cause you can learn one thing from another game an install it onto the current game, i repeat CURRENT, game you are playing at the moment.




oh and fyi to whoever said you can make justice the cheapest charater, you can make anyone cheap you just have to KNOW how to USE them.

[Shadow Draygon]

Yeah this is what I'm saying..
Not everyone is a complete Guilty Gear :):):):):)
You werent always a guilty gear fan and combos in that game
arent exactly commen knolage so I cant see whats so funny.

Thats like a Star Treak fan laughing at people who dont know
the names of the cast of the first series..
Not EVERYONE is a Star Treak geek same as not everyone is a GG geek.

But thats hardly a way to act, You should be happy that more people
are taking interest in the series not laugh at them when they dont know
every last detail.. If anything they should be laughing at you..

If they were really taking an interest in the game, they would be asking for help on how to come up with good combos and not posting they own seeing how they're very new to the game. There's a ton of support for this game and looking on IGN or GameFAQs is the last place you should be looking for help.

There's a difference between "wanting to learn" and "ZOMG MY COMBO IS DA BESTEST", I've see it way too much.


Saiten-Genjo-Sanzo-Hosu, Is a SEGA fan not just guilty gear
So just keep it in mind.
That was pretty damn rude of you..

And thirdly, this is the Sega forums, I can't take anyone here seriously. Just a bunch of people with a subborn feel about how they're right and everyone else is wrong, stupid opinion, etc.

Ok, as for his GG side, here's some Pot combos:


Hammerfall
HF FRC > S (2S) > Heat
(Close), HF FRC > HS > Giganter+B > Wallbounce...
(Close), HF FRC > S 2HS > HPB
(Mid), CH 6HS > HF FRC > S > Heat
(Mid), CH HF FRC > HF FRC > S > Heat
(Mid), CH HF FRC > HF FRC > 2HS > HPB
(Corner), (6HS) > HF FRC > Giganter > 6HS > HF FRC > Heat
(Corner), (6HS) > HF FRC > S > Heat(1) RC > 6HS > HF FRC > Heat

CH F.D.B.
CH FDB > Heat
CH FDB > HPB
CH FDB > Giganter+B > Wallbounce...
(Against Light Airborne enemy), CH FDB > sj.HS

CH 2HS
CH 2HS > (Megafist(Wiff)) > HS > Heat
CH 2HS > (Megafist(Wiff)) > S 2HS > HPB
CH 2HS > (Megafist(Wiff)) > HS > Giganter+B > Wallbounce...
(Near Corner), CH 2HS > (Megafist(Wiff)) > HS > Giganter > 6HS > HF FRC > Heat

6P/6K
(Against Airborn Enemy):
CH 6P > S > Heat
(Bounce Over), CH 6P > S 2HS > HPB
(Very High), CH 6P > Giganter+B > Wallbounce...
6K > S > Heat
6K > S 2HS > HPB
(Ground Enemies):
6K > K S S 2D
(Shakeable) 6K > D > ...
6K > PB > ...

Dust Combos
D > [9] HS HS ]9[ > P* K > jc.P* K
D > 9 FD j.S/HS |> HS > Heat
D > 9 FD j.S/HS |> HS > Giganter+B > Wallbounce...
(Close, Hard), D > [9]HS ]9[ 9 HS |> ...

Potemkin Buster Combos
(Mid) PB > HS
(Mid, Axl/May) PB > S.f > Heat
(Near Corner, or Axl/May) PB > S.f > Heat+E RC > Hammerfall FRC > Heat
(Close Corner) PB > S > Heat+E RC > 6HS
(Close Corner) PB > S > Heat RC > 6, 6HS > HF FRC > Heat
(Close Corner, Dizzy) PB > Heat
(Close Corner, Dizzy) PB > Heat+E RC > HPB

(Corner, 0%) PB > 2HS > Heat
(Corner, 25%) PB > 2HS > Heat+E RC > 6HS ( > Heat )
(Corner, 50%) PB > S 2HS > HPB
(Corner, 75%) PB > 2HS > Heat RC > 6HS > HF FRC > Heat
(Corner, 100%) PB > 2HS > Heat RC > 6, HS > Giganter > HS/6HS > Heat
(Corner, 75%) PB > HS > Giganter > 6HS > HF FRC > Heat
(Corner, 100%) PB > HS > Giganter+B RC > HS/6HS > Heat

Wallbounce Combos
(Light Weights) ... > Heat
... > HS > Heat
... > HS > Giganter+B > Wallbounce...
... > (K) (S) 2HS > HPB

Stupid Guard Meter Combos
(Mid,71 Guard) PB > HS > HF FRC > Heat+E RC > HF FRC > Heat
(Mid,88 Guard) PB > HS > CH FDB > HPB
(Mid,90 Guard) CH 6HS > CH FDB > Giganter+B > Giganter+B > HS > Heat
(Corner, 71+) PB > (2HS > Megafist)* > (HS) > Heat
(Corner, 71+) PB > (5HS > HF Break)* > HS/6HS
(Corner, Full) Heat(1) RC > (6HS > HF Break)*3

But I have a feeling I've broken they're little minds.

And sorry, no one plays EX seriously so I can't post any Ex Ky combos.


Awesome I'll Try that out.

I found out a REALLY cheap combo with baiken. it's like 21 hits. (although this sounds deadly it's not. It only takes down a little over 25%)

This is really easy to do

While opponent is on ground: Jump +k, land, jump, punch, punch, kick, land, then REPEAT jump, punch, punch, kick

Great combo for making people mad. :lol:

And if you connect that with the air dust to bounce them off the wall, man there's no telling what you can do.

I'm still trying to figure out a way to connect that combo with a ground dust. If anyone finds out how to do this then TELL ME PLEASE.


Also this, DOESN'T WORK.

Recovery is off in training mode, that means the computer won't try to get out of your combos when it can.

You can't juggle someone that easily in GG.

Another reason why I can't take these guys seriously because all of these combos are fake setups.

If you want to learn the game better find better sources and help.

If you don't know where to look I can point out some very helpful guides and forums that go indept on all characters from beginner to pro.

[Saiten-Genjo-Sanzo-Hosu]

Any tips for I-no or Dizzy? I'm trying to get better with them.
Nice idea for Baiken too, that little combo sounds maddening. :twisted:

But this is the height of cheapness: Ex Chipp, 623s, k, rinse and repeat.

A rather nasty combo for Ex Jam against a cornered opponent: Forward kick, Slash, Forward HS, Crouch HS, Crouch S, jump up after them, Px2, K, S, HS, D. If you're feeling cheeky, you can try to RC from the Aerial Dust into the midair 236236K OD.

Ky: Why can't you RC from slide to Greed Sever!? They were made for each other!!

Yea, It's on the same site under Combatants

Now that Dizzy is no longer the boss in the Guilty Gear series (that title goes to I-No), it seems that Sammy has toned her down considerably from Guilty Gear X2. Overall her damage has been decreased and her Hunger Strike projectiles have been modified. In Guilty Gear X one of Dizzy's Hunger Strikes would float around her and act as a shield. In GGX2 there are now two versions, one that rushes the opponent and starts attacking them and another that fires a red laser. Dizzy's primary combo of S, HS, Arctic Impaler has also gotten a downgrade as far as damage goes, not to mention that she lost her sweet triple jump. The upside is that the Arctic Impaler can be False Roman Cancelled, and her 6H attack will almost always hit if you can FRC the Arctic Impaler properly.

While it may seem all doom and gloom for Dizzy users, she can still be played in more or less the same way as in Guilty Gear X. The only real difference is that she deals less damage now. Her Overdrives while powerful are only useful in specific situations. Imperial Ray is a great tool to use if your opponent is right next to you. The Overdrive has no start-up time, so that means if someone is trying to act sneaky with their pokes the Imperial Ray will rock them. Necro's Anger is a surprisingly good move to use on wakeup. Dizzy lacks a real good attack for opponents who have been knocked down, but this fills in nicely despite its awkward motion. In other situations Dizzy is best left to use her Tension for False Roman Cancelling her Arctic Impaler.

http://guides.ign.com/guides/482708/page_13.html


Check out the other sites. THEY ARE GREAT!!

In depth guide for EVERYBODY:
http://www.gamefaqs.com/console/ps2/game/562111.html

GG XXX forums: lots of good tips and tricks
http://www.forumplanet.com/planetdreamcast/orochinagi/forum.asp?fid=1817

GGXX MATCH VIDEOS! See people get destroyed in vs.
http://ppph.org/~lolilerbutai/

[Saiten-Genjo-Sanzo-Hosu]

Awesome I'll Try that out.

I found out a REALLY cheap combo with baiken. it's like 21 hits. (although this sounds deadly it's not. It only takes down a little over 25%)

This is really easy to do

While opponent is on ground: Jump +k, land, jump, punch, punch, kick, land, then REPEAT jump, punch, punch, kick

Great combo for making people mad. :lol:

And if you connect that with the air dust to bounce them off the wall, man there's no telling what you can do.

I'm still trying to figure out a way to connect that combo with a ground dust. If anyone finds out how to do this then TELL ME PLEASE.


Also this, DOESN'T WORK.

Recovery is off in training mode, that means the computer won't try to get out of your combos when it can.

You can't juggle someone that easily in GG.

Another reason why I can't take these guys seriously because all of these combos are fake setups.

If you want to learn the game better find better sources and help.

If you don't know where to look I can point out some very helpful guides and forums that go indept on all characters from beginner to pro.

what do you mean by fake setups? You have to train before fighting characters. And All my combo's DO work. Now some of them may be easy to escape from but there's still technically combos in the game.

Also I think coming up with you own combo's is better than using someone elses to a certain extent.
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Thanks, Sh-ar-ky for defending me while I wasnt here.

[Saiten-Genjo-Sanzo-Hosu]

Me and 3 of my friends got a small GGXX tourment going today. It was crazy man. I got new found respect for the characters I hate (jonny, bridget, faust)

Most of the time I'm the only one playing GGXX so this was a big change.

I did like a 9 hit combo with Potemkin. (does 295 damage)

I think that Potemkin is the hardest character to beat. He's so big and strong (which is good cuz I play with him :P ) And he takes the least amount of damage.

Some of the characters (like jam and baiken) dont stand a chance.

I've gotten a ton better with I-no as well. Her dust attack is really good and she basically OWNS the air.

[Shadow Draygon]

what do you mean by fake setups? You have to train before fighting characters. And All my combo's DO work. Now some of them may be easy to escape from but there's still technically combos in the game.

Also I think coming up with you own combo's is better than using someone elses to a certain extent.
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Thanks, Sh-ar-ky for defending me while I wasnt here.

The combos don't work because the computer can't get out of them if you don't have recovery on.

That means with it off, you could juggle the computer infinitely.

Like the combo you just posted.

And there's no such thing as "coming up with your own combo", the characters have "set combos" combos that do the most damage or takes the most advantage are the ones you want to do, these are the such combos I have listed above.

All of the sites your getting your info aren't very professional. Like I said GameFAQs and IGN are horrible sorces for info.

Just like talking about Guilty Gear on the Sega Forums.

And quite talking about Dizzy like you know all about her, if you don't know what you're talking about you're better off not talking at all. You're not a Dizzy expert and you can tell just by reading your little rant about her. Your experience looks as if you're just telling it as you see it, hell, you don't even talk about her frame data and FRC combos.

Do you even know what an FRC combo is?


I did like a 9 hit combo with Potemkin. (does 295 damage)

I think that Potemkin is the hardest character to beat. He's so big and strong (which is good cuz I play with him :P ) And he takes the least amount of damage.

Some of the characters (like jam and baiken) dont stand a chance.

You don't even realize that Jam is way way way better then Pot.

But that's because you're only talking about what you've experienced and haven't actually seen pros play.

Yes Pot is powerful, but he's far from the best.

He doesn't even make Top 8.

Do you even know what the tier list is? And don't give me that "tiers don't exist" because they do.

[Saiten-Genjo-Sanzo-Hosu]

The combos don't work because the computer can't get out of them if you don't have recovery on.

As I said before the combos do work. their on the game are they not?


That means with it off, you could juggle the computer infinitely.

No you cant. At least I havent found out a way.



And there's no such thing as "coming up with your own combo", the characters have "set combos" combos that do the most damage or takes the most advantage are the ones you want to do, these are the such combos I have listed above.

yea there is. I just listed some with potemkin. they are mine and I didnt find them off the web so I made it up.


All of the sites your getting your info aren't very professional. Like I said GameFAQs and IGN are horrible sorces for info.

Then give me some better sources.


Just like talking about Guilty Gear on the Sega Forums.

what about it? we talk about games cuz we like them (or hate them) we dont have to be experts to discuss our favorite games.


And quite talking about Dizzy like you know all about her, if you don't know what you're talking about you're better off not talking at all. You're not a Dizzy expert and you can tell just by reading your little rant about her. Your experience looks as if you're just telling it as you see it, hell, you don't even talk about her frame data and FRC combos.

I havent said anything about dizzy. But I did QUOTE IGN. If you dont think they know what there talking about then talk to them.


Do you even know what an FRC combo is?

fasle roman Cancel. wanna know anything else?


You don't even realize that Jam is way way way better then Pot.

No shes not. What I DO know is she got her :):):) BEAT by potemkin-- many, many times. It wasnt even close


But that's because you're only talking about what you've experienced and haven't actually seen pros play.

A pro is not going to come to my house and play. As far as i am concerned Potemkin is far better than Jam. computer cant bet me with her; nor can friends.

And FYI, anyone can be the "strongest" it's how you use them.


Yes Pot is powerful, but he's far from the best.

maybe, but he's better than jam.


He doesn't even make Top 8.

so =/


Do you even know what the tier list is? And don't give me that "tiers don't exist" because they do.

show me this list.

[Shadow Draygon]

The combos don't work because the computer can't get out of them if you don't have recovery on.

As I said before the combos do work. their on the game are they not?



That means with it off, you could juggle the computer infinitely.

No you cant. At least I havent found out a way.

Look like I said, in the options for Training Mode, there's a feature called RECOVERY, if it is off you can keep comboing the computer beyond a real combo. You combos aren't real combos because you can break out of the mid way, hence fake/broken combos.



And there's no such thing as "coming up with your own combo", the characters have "set combos" combos that do the most damage or takes the most advantage are the ones you want to do, these are the such combos I have listed above.

yea there is. I just listed some with potemkin. they are mine and I didnt find them off the web so I made it up.

I know you can make combos, but there's better ones out there. Ones that maximize the moves and damage setups. Your combos don't do that. Why do a 3 hit combo when you could do a 5 hit combo eh?



All of the sites your getting your info aren't very professional. Like I said GameFAQs and IGN are horrible sorces for info.

Then give me some better sources.

Start with www.dustloop.com or www.romancancel.com, but very excellent sites for info and many pros that help in the character disscussion threads.



Just like talking about Guilty Gear on the Sega Forums.

what about it? we talk about games cuz we like them (or hate them) we dont have to be experts to discuss our favorite games.

I feel that you should be well informed if you're going to act like an expert of the game as you put yourself off as.



And quite talking about Dizzy like you know all about her, if you don't know what you're talking about you're better off not talking at all. You're not a Dizzy expert and you can tell just by reading your little rant about her. Your experience looks as if you're just telling it as you see it, hell, you don't even talk about her frame data and FRC combos.

I havent said anything about dizzy. But I did QUOTE IGN. If you dont think they know what there talking about then talk to them.

Well then you're just copy and pasting your opinions, that just proves my point in that you don't know what you're talking about.



Do you even know what an FRC combo is?

fasle roman Cancel. wanna know anything else?

Yes, but you didn't tell me what her FRC combo is now did you?



You don't even realize that Jam is way way way better then Pot.

No shes not. What I DO know is she got her *** BEAT by potemkin-- many, many times. It wasnt even close

It's a fact, Jam is better the Pot, she has better setups, better damaging combos, great mix-up, all things that make characters in a 2D fighter either highter or lower on a tier chart. You can't argue with what pros have stated, the teir list comes straight from Japan, you can't get any more offical then that.



But that's because you're only talking about what you've experienced and haven't actually seen pros play.

A pro is not going to come to my house and play. As far as i am concerned Potemkin is far better than Jam. computer cant bet me with her; nor can friends.

And FYI, anyone can be the "strongest" it's how you use them.

Like I said that's your opinion, and Pot can be powerful, but if someone with equal skill as you was to play Jam, she has more of an advantage, but only a slight one. Just because your opponent picks Jam doesn't mean you lose, but Dizzy is better at dealing with Potemkin because she has a lot of moves that Pot can't deal with.



Yes Pot is powerful, but he's far from the best.

maybe, but he's better than jam.

Like I said, you're agruing with something you've never seen. Jam is higher on the tier list then Pot.



Do you even know what the tier list is? And don't give me that "tiers don't exist" because they do.

show me this list.

S: Eddie
A: Jam, Slayer
B: Robo, Millia, Dizzy
C: Bridget, Sol
D: Axl, Faust, Venom
E: Potemkin, I-no, Johnny, Bakien
F: Ky, Testa, Zappa, May
G: Chipp, Anji

That's the GGX2#R Tier list. As you can see, Pot is hanging in the E section while Jam is high and might at the A section. She is better and is damn near one of the best characters in the game to play.

Now don't go off about how your Pot can beat the computer because that doesn't mean anything. As for beating up your friends, that doesn't count to because if you don't have a full grasp on how to play the game and take advantage of your characters moves and combos, then the tier list doesn't effect you. The tier list only counts if you're playing that said character at their best efforts.

And by the sounds of it, you should really get to know how to play Pot or any one else you play better then what you've been discussing here.

[Saiten-Genjo-Sanzo-Hosu]

Look like I said, in the options for Training Mode, there's a feature called RECOVERY, if it is off you can keep comboing the computer beyond a real combo. You combos aren't real combos because you can break out of the mid way, hence fake/broken combos.

Do you know the defination of real?

"being or occurring in fact or actuality; having verified existence; not illusory; "real objects"; "real people; not ghosts"; "a film based on real life"; "a real illness"; "real humility"; "Life is real! Life is earnest!"- Longfellow " Source: goolge.

I said the combos are REAL; and they are because they exists. inside the game.

dont keep trying to agrue this issue with me cuz it will make you look stupid.


I know you can make combos, but there's better ones out there. Ones that maximize the moves and damage setups. Your combos don't do that. Why do a 3 hit combo when you could do a 5 hit combo eh?

I really dont care. I find that my combos work quite well.

why do a 3 hit instead of 5? Complexilty,speed, skill, amount of damage, or maybe it's just one of your favorite moves.


I feel that you should be well informed if you're going to act like an expert of the game as you put yourself off as.

I'm not acting like anything. hell the title of this topic is help me find the infinite combos... how can I be a "expert" when I dont know one of the most important things in the game.


Well then you're just copy and pasting your opinions, that just proves my point in that you don't know what you're talking about.

No I'm not. I quoted IGN because I dont know how to use dizzy not because I have the same opinion as them. You havent proven anything.

Did I ever say that I knew what I was talking about? No, I've just been talking about a game I like. There's an old saying; it goes something like this. when you assume, you make a @$$ out of me and you.


Yes, but you didn't tell me what her FRC combo is now did you?

I dont have to tell you. the internet has lots of information. I'm sure it's somewhere


It's a fact, Jam is better the Pot, she has better setups, better damaging combos, great mix-up, all things that make characters in a 2D fighter either highter or lower on a tier chart. You can't argue with what pros have stated, the teir list comes straight from Japan, you can't get any more offical then that.

She doesnt take down more power than potemkin. If jam has a combo, not the infinite, that takes down more than 295 (360 on chipp) I'd like to see you post it.

who cares what, what list says. Jam cant win if she cant hit you can she? She can never get close cuz of potemkins reach.

What's she gonna do?

air dash? -- potemkin will catch her with heat extent.
dash to you? -- she'll get poked every time she tries to get near.
do a special?-- it'll get blocked and then she'll get potemkin busted.
use her speed -- potemkins punch is fast. it also can be used to start off combos. It's HIGHY underestimated.

end result: Jam looses every time.


Like I said that's your opinion, and Pot can be powerful, but if someone with equal skill as you was to play Jam, she has more of an advantage, but only a slight one. Just because your opponent picks Jam doesn't mean you lose, but Dizzy is better at dealing with Potemkin because she has a lot of moves that Pot can't deal with.

I was the best Jam player there. And I am good with her. when I PLAYED with her against a rookie who NEVER PLAYED WITH POTEMKIN BEFORE he beat me EVERY TIME. (with Jam) How do you explain that? My skills lacking? no, jam just cant handle potemkin because with her, I can more or less lay the smack down on everyone else.


Like I said, you're agruing with something you've never seen. Jam is higher on the tier list then Pot.

S: Eddie
A: Jam, Slayer
B: Robo, Millia, Dizzy
C: Bridget, Sol
D: Axl, Faust, Venom
E: Potemkin, I-no, Johnny, Bakien
F: Ky, Testa, Zappa, May
G: Chipp, Anji

Rush characters are over rated. Their main goal is to put as much pressure as possible on the other character--Not much room for defense.


That's the GGX2#R Tier list. As you can see, Pot is hanging in the E section while Jam is high and might at the A section. She is better and is damn near one of the best characters in the game to play.

All I have to say is HER DAMAGE RATIO SUCKS. this leaves NO room for mastakes. maybe shes the best if your perfect, but other wise she's not all that good. her range is too close. her dust attack sucks. (too slow)
and she needs to power up to do maximum damage. Now who in their right mind is gonna let her do that?


Now don't go off about how your Pot can beat the computer because that doesn't mean anything.

why not? the computer on it's hardest level is BETTER than me but I still lay the smackdown on jam.


And by the sounds of it, you should really get to know how to play Pot or any one else you play better then what you've been discussing here.

that's what pratice is for. over the past couple of day I've did some major improvment with Potemkin. And I was already good with him.

[Shadow Draygon]

Do you know the defination of real?

"being or occurring in fact or actuality; having verified existence; not illusory; "real objects"; "real people; not ghosts"; "a film based on real life"; "a real illness"; "real humility"; "Life is real! Life is earnest!"- Longfellow " Source: goolge.

I said the combos are REAL; and they are because they exists. inside the game.

dont keep trying to agrue this issue with me cuz it will make you look stupid. [/color]

You CAN'T DO THEM. You can recover out of them, I don't know how to make it more clearer then I've already stated. Your combo can be broken.



I feel that you should be well informed if you're going to act like an expert of the game as you put yourself off as.

I'm not acting like anything. hell the title of this topic is help me find the infinite combos... how can I be a "expert" when I dont know one of the most important things in the game.

There is no infinites in the game short of Zappa's Dog infinite. Other then that loops are the only thing you can do in GG.


Well then you're just copy and pasting your opinions, that just proves my point in that you don't know what you're talking about.



Yes, but you didn't tell me what her FRC combo is now did you?

I dont have to tell you. the internet has lots of information. I'm sure it's somewhere

Hence proving that you're simpling talking about Dizzy but don't know the first thing about her, even though you're just restating what IGN says?

Then why post at all?



It's a fact, Jam is better the Pot, she has better setups, better damaging combos, great mix-up, all things that make characters in a 2D fighter either highter or lower on a tier chart. You can't argue with what pros have stated, the teir list comes straight from Japan, you can't get any more offical then that.

She doesnt take down more power than potemkin. If jam has a combo that takes down more than 295 (360 on chipp) I'd like to see you post it.

who cares what, what list says. Jam cant win if she cant hit you can she? She can never get close cuz of potemkins reach.

What's she gonna do?

air dash? -- potemkin will catch her with heat extent.
dash to you? -- she'll get poked every time she tries to get near.
do a special?-- it'll get blocked and then she'll get potemkin busted.
use her speed -- potemkins punch is fast. it also can be used to start off combos. It's HIGHY underestimated.

end result: Jam looses every time.

Wow, with that iron gride stratagy, no one can touch you! :shock:

Better get your butt to some professional tournament and show all those players who KNOW WHAT THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT and show them all the true fear that is Pot! :roll:


I was the best Jam player there. And I am good with her. when I PLAYED with her against a rookie who NEVER PLAYED WITH POTEMKIN BEFORE he beat me EVERY TIME. (with Jam) How do you explain that? My skills lacking? no, jam just cant handle potemkin because with her, I can more or less lay the smack down on everyone else.

Let me just clear up you're "awesome skills" with one quote:



why not? the computer on it's hardest level is BETTER than me but I still lay the smackdown on jam.

Your skills are majorly lacking if you say the computer still beats you. Even on maniac the computer isn't much of a challenge at ALL. Ask any one who plays GG seriously. You clearly haven't been playing GG indept at all.



That's the GGX2#R Tier list. As you can see, Pot is hanging in the E section while Jam is high and might at the A section. She is better and is damn near one of the best characters in the game to play.

All I have to say is HER DAMAGE RATIO SUCKS. this leaves NO room for mastakes. maybe shes the best if your perfect, but other wise she's not all that good. her range is too close. her dust attack sucks. (too slow)
and she needs to power up to do maximum damage. Now who in their right mind is gonna let her do that?

And once again I fall back on my point that you don't know what you're talking about. Her Damage ratio is far from sucky.

You think that she can't do damage because she doesn't hit hard like Pot, right?

But you know what she can do that Pot can't? Fast mix-ups and long powerful combos with little or no tension usage.

According to your logic, who ever does the most damage is clearly the best character in the game, right?

Well, you should be playing Slayer then, he does more damage then Potemkin, and is *GASP* higher in the tier ranking then him! I wonder why?

I think I'm almost done arguing with you, you've proven time and time again that you don't know that much about the game, how do to real combo setups, tension usage, cleaver RC and FRC setups, mix-ups, wake up game, etc.

But I doubt you know all that, seeing how you can't even beat up the computer and only play with a select group of friends.

Maybe you'll learn and then you'll really get into the game.

Until then, keep denining the truth saying that the tier list is wrong (which is built off of who and what the pros play with) and that you clearly have a better grasp of the game then most pros out there who have developed these tactics that you refuse to learn about.

[zmiy42]

Here's the mystery:

Why are you a scrub?

Here's the answer:

http://www.sirlin.net/Features/feature_PlayToWinPart1.htm

Fool.

[Sh-ar-ky]

I really hate people who are so big headed they think they rock..

The SEGA forum is as good of a place as any too talk about games
The random forum suck the people here who talk about games probably
know alot more about them then you.

The point im making is that I myself injoy GG and so do alot of people
here but no body here gives a s**t if they dont know every
move for every charecter or the rules for .. what ever.
I play the game for fun..
I dont obsess about it because frankly its not that deep..

If you said something wrong about A SEGA game or any game
Im sure people here would point out what you got wrong
not just leave some obnoxious post like *laugh out loud*
Virtua Fighter is the most indepth fighter by far and Im sure
Saiten-Genjo-Sanzo-Hosu would own your :):):):) at that game.

Because in the end I'd say if anyone was laughing it would be me at you!
I'm possitive you could beat me at Guilty Gear same with alot of people
here but because of that I clearly beat you flat out at life.. :lol:

[Saiten-Genjo-Sanzo-Hosu]

You CAN'T DO THEM. You can recover out of them, I don't know how to make it more clearer then I've already stated. Your combo can be broken.

yes you can. even if it's in training mode it's still TECHNICALLY A COMBO. They EXIST therefore they MUST BE REAL.

BTW any combo can be broken with brust. does that make every combo fake?

Also, I have did this combo on the computer before. (the on I posted about baiken)


There is no infinites in the game short of Zappa's Dog infinite. Other then that loops are the only thing you can do in GG.

Yes their are. I've seen bridgets and testaments over the internet.

what do you mean by loops?


Hence proving that you're simpling talking about Dizzy but don't know the first thing about her, even though you're just restating what IGN says?

Then why post at all?

I have a question. why do you say "you're simpling talking about Dizzy but don't know the first thing about her" When I HAVE NOT SAID ONE SINGLE WORD ABOUT HER. Do you not understand? Somebody else wanted help so I gave them a SOURCE.

Good God o'mighty, I know your not that dumb.


Wow, with that iron gride stratagy, no one can touch you!

Better get your butt to some professional tournament and show all those players who KNOW WHAT THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT and show them all the true fear that is Pot!

It's NOT a strategy. It's what I know based on MY EXPERIENCE. BTW I said I THINK potemkin is the strongest, which is an opinion, an yet you continue to argue with me?

nice, just nice [/end sarcasm]


Let me just clear up you're "awesome skills" with one quote:

Never said I was awesome. where do you get this stuff from? :?


Your skills are majorly lacking if you say the computer still beats you. Even on maniac the computer isn't much of a challenge at ALL. Ask any one who plays GG seriously. You clearly haven't been playing GG indept at all.

Maybe not. I still neeed to pratice more. I AM NOT A EXPERT. I dont know why you think I think I am.


And once again I fall back on my point that you don't know what you're talking about. Her Damage ratio is far from sucky.

Yes it is sucky. When jam gets HIT she looses a TON of damage. She's up there around with chipp and millia.


You think that she can't do damage because she doesn't hit hard like Pot, right?

No. I think she cant do damage ON Potemkin because she CANT GET CLOSE TO HIM. She will DIE before she gets there. and if she does get in close, her range is so short, she risks getting Potemkin busted.


But you know what she can do that Pot can't? Fast mix-ups and long powerful combos with little or no tension usage.

Potemkin has some up down combos. I agree their not as fast though. I know A combo, juggle, with Potemkin that takes down 230 damage while in the middle of the stage. Using NO tension. (I'm the type of player that doesnt use special bars that much) And I have did it on cpu and friends.


According to your logic, who ever does the most damage is clearly the best character in the game, right?

No. Venom, faust and eddie can be better than Potemkin because thay can lock him down with projectiles from all angles. F.D.B. Only catches projectiles that comes in front of it.


Well, you should be playing Slayer then, he does more damage then Potemkin, and is *GASP* higher in the tier ranking then him! I wonder why?

Yea, slayer is pimp, plus he can heal. I'm trying to learn how to pay as him for that sol reason.


I think I'm almost done arguing with you, you've proven time and time again that you don't know that much about the game, how do to real combo setups, tension usage, cleaver RC and FRC setups, mix-ups, wake up game, etc.

I do what works for me. If my stratagy helps me win then who cares?


But I doubt you know all that, seeing how you can't even beat up the computer and only play with a select group of friends.

Indeed. I cant face the entire world in my bedroom. :roll:


Maybe you'll learn and then you'll really get into the game.

I'm already "into" the game.


Until then, keep denining the truth saying that the tier list is wrong (which is built off of who and what the pros play with) and that you clearly have a better grasp of the game then most pros out there who have developed these tactics that you refuse to learn about.

I'm not refusing to learn anything. I stated a opinion and you proceeded to argue with me. I have told you TIME and TIME again that I am not anywhere close to being an expert-- and what I know is based off my owned experience. you cant seem to understand that.

[Saiten-Genjo-Sanzo-Hosu]

Virtua Fighter is the most indepth fighter by far and Im sure
Saiten-Genjo-Sanzo-Hosu would own your :):):):) at that game.



Damn stright I would. I COMPLETLY OWN AT VF4E! :)

[zmiy42]

ahahaha that's some good sh-t!

[Shadow Draygon]

Look Saiten-Genjo-Sanzo-Hosu, the fact that you don't even know what Recovery is makes you such a scrub when talking about this and your combos.

Recovery is that thing where when you push two of the attack buttons while in the air (usually punch and kick) after being hit you "recover" as in can go from a staggered state into a blocking/attacking state.

Your combos don't work because someone can "recover" out of them, hence a broken combo.

And I'm not talking about a Burst, Recovery is something you can do all the time.

The fact that it's off in Training Mode makes it seem like you can do these really long or powerful combos, but in fact you can't against a real opponent because they can recover out of them in the middle of it and counter attack you or block.

Do you get it now? Or you going to continue telling me I'm the stupid one and how much you "rock" at VF4?

Braging gets you no where kid, speaking of which:


I really hate people who are so big headed they think they rock..


Virtua Fighter is the most indepth fighter by far and Im sure
Saiten-Genjo-Sanzo-Hosu would own your :):):):) at that game.


Because in the end I'd say if anyone was laughing it would be me at you!
I'm possitive you could beat me at Guilty Gear same with alot of people
here but because of that I clearly beat you flat out at life.. :lol:

You just zinged yourself there buddy.

[WarheadBob]

Oh, SD! I do say that was a bit of a good gag, ol' chap, and I shall have myself a laugh now. Ah-hah!
Why even bother!

[Saiten-Genjo-Sanzo-Hosu]

Look Saiten-Genjo-Sanzo-Hosu, the fact that you don't even know what Recovery is makes you such a scrub when talking about this and your combos.

I know what it is


Your combos don't work because someone can "recover" out of them, hence a broken combo.

They do work. Cant you comprehend that if an opponent doesn’t recover that, the combo will work?


And I'm not talking about a Burst, Recovery is something you can do all the time.

So, the fact of the matter is, burst allows you to recover from any combo-- making the combo “broken” as you put it. Didn’t you say:


You CAN'T DO THEM.

You combos aren't real combos because you can break out of the mid way, hence fake/broken combos.

I believe you did.


The fact that it's off in Training Mode makes it seem like you can do these really long or powerful combos, but in fact you can't against a real opponent because they can recover out of them in the middle of it and counter attack you or block.

See post above


Do you get it now? Or you going to continue telling me I'm the stupid one and how much you "rock" at VF4?

see we’re on two completely different levels here. Whether my combos are easily broke out of is not the issue. The issue is whether the combos are real. Also technically they Can and WILL work if somebody just so happens not to recover.

I didn’t call you stupid; but I did say: “dont keep trying to agrue this issue with me cuz it will make you look stupid.” because it will. Furthermore I went on to say “I know your not that dumb”

comments about VF4 were just a bonus. :wink:



Braging gets you no where kid, speaking of which:

Nor does being rude

[Shadow Draygon]

They do work. Cant you comprehend that if an opponent doesn’t recover that, the combo will work?

So according to your logic, if you opponent just "takes it" it still counts as a combo?

Well news flash, IT DOESN'T.

A combo is a chain of attacks that cannot be blocked once started. If your opponent can recover out of it then it's a broken combo.

Just because you're opponent is a complete moron doesn't make it a valid combo.

Please keep replying because it just proves that you really don't know what you're talking about.

Would you say I'm wrong that I have killer combo for VF4 that just includes me doing:

PPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPP....etc.

Over and over again and is a valid combo as long as the opponent doesn't side step, block, do anything, etc.?

Cuz that's what you're telling me about GG, get some common sense why don't you.

[darkshadowDTG]

SD PLEASE hold me back before i snap on them. ive never seen so much retardedness since the gfaqs :):):):):):)s

[doomwoman98]

its hard to read red letters

[Sh-ar-ky]

You just zinged yourself there buddy.


I "zinged" myself?
I guess that means contradicted? :|

Well if so,
I don't see how..
I said I don't like people who are big headed such as yourself.

Then I said Saiten-Genjo-Sanzo-Hosu would beat you at
Virtua Fighter which btw is by far a better game then Guilty Gear.
Clearly not self promotion..

Then I pointed out that I'm laughing at you because you think your
so great at this game that too be honest you act like an
obnoxious brat by laughing at people who don't know the game as well
as you.
Which quite obviously says too me 'This person sucks at life'

It's like being the world record holder at having the worst breath
and then laughing at people who can't compete..
Sorry but it all seems far too silly too me!

Then you say people HERE are bad too talk too!
Ha! If all the GG forums are full of people like you
Trying too look like the biggest Guilty Gear Geek then
I thing your the one thats .. 'Zinged' :lol:

By the way "scrub"? Is this an insult for people who have jobs?
Or are going too get somewhere in life?
"Oh Saiten-Genjo-Sanzo-Hosu your such a you scrub, wasteing your time
with that job, money, japanese language and future when you could be learning all the moves for every character in Guilty Gear!!"

:|

[WarheadBob]

Saiten-Genjo-Sanzo-Hosu, the simple fact of the matter is that unless your opponent has an intellectual or motor skills deficiency that prevents them from pressing two buttons at once, your "real" combos are all for naught.

And sh-ar-ky just served SD, surely he is a man of true intelligence, grace, and wit. I mean, why would SD go to college? Surely not for the sake of his future! And Guilty Gear? It is his life, there is no such thing as a hobby!!!

On another note, I'm teh bestest GG player evah!! Robo-Ky 2HS INFINITE FOR LIFE!!!!

Oh and roflskittles+lollerskates.

[darkshadowDTG]

ok seriously i know how they can learn so this :):):):) can be over with.

go into option and set the dificulty to maniac. have fun

[Sh-ar-ky]

And sh-ar-ky just served SD, surely he is a man of true intelligence, grace, and wit. I mean, why would SD go to college? Surely not for the sake of his future! And Guilty Gear? It is his life, there is no such thing as a hobby!!!


Well you see I play GG as a hobby, Infact I play lots of games
as a hobby not so much these days but I do..
And you know, I am far from working out all the Combos
Neather do I care too.

But in the end if I did the difference is I wouldnt go around trying
too look like I'm all that.
I'd try and help people out not be obnoxious.

Nice try,
Next?

[Shadow Draygon]

Your attempt to insult me over the internet has failed Sh-ar-ky.

If you're not going to contribute to the conversation then why say anything at all.

I'm trying to help Saiten-Genjo-Sanzo-Hosu but he's being really ignorant when it comes to help.

I'm trying to teach him how to improve his game, understand the game, and see a better understanding of the game.

Why all you do is come in here and insult my integrity like you know me. Saying that people I don't know are better at games you don't know I play, and saying GG is better then VF4.

Well that right there is a bad comment, that's like saying Mario 64 beats the crap out of FFVII, but...oh wait, THEY'RE COMPLETE DIFFERENT GAMES!

You can't compare a 2D fighter to a 3D fighter, the system, mechanics, setups, and stragtagies are complete different from one another.

So please if you must post again, please say something constructive besides point your finger and saying people "suck at life".

[WarheadBob]

Neather do I care too.
It's "neither" and "to". OMFG, I pwn j00 at spelling!
But capitalization AND he ended his sentence with a period? I see they don't build GFM's like they used too.

Anyways. All Saiten-Genjo-Sanzo-Hosu had to do was turn recovery on and see how worthless his combos really were.

But really, you're so busy owning SD at life, how can you have time to argue on an internet forum?

[Saiten-Genjo-Sanzo-Hosu]

So according to your logic, if you opponent just "takes it" it still counts as a combo?

Uhh, YES! Also sometimes its not so easy to break out of combos in the heat of battle.

Well news flash, IT DOESN'T.

Yea it does. As long as it says combo on the screen anyway.

A combo is a chain of attacks that cannot be blocked once started. If your opponent can recover out of it then it's a broken combo.

The word in bold is the key word here. We have already come to the realization that combos can be broken by using dust. Your right combos cant be blocked-- but BLOCK and RECOVER are two different completely things.

If my “combo” is not a combo then why does it have a chain of hits at the top of the screen?

Just because you're opponent is a complete moron doesn't make it a valid combo.

Yea it does. Outside of ending the combo, Once started combo’s are independent variables that do not depend on the opponent.

Would you say I'm wrong that I have killer combo for VF4 that just includes me doing:

PPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPP....etc.
Over and over again and is a valid combo as long as the opponent doesn't side step, block, do anything, etc.?

If it said COMBO ON THE SCREEN I wouldn’t disagree with you-- which is what your doing. If the opponent is too stupid to do anything then that’s their problem.

Cuz that's what you're telling me about GG, get some common sense why don't you.


I have common sense. You just don’t realize what a combo is. Who cares if it’s easy to break out of. You will STILL GET SOME HITS-- and it will STILL BE A COMBO. It just wont be as BIG as you planned.


SD PLEASE hold me back before i snap on them. ive never seen so much retardedness since the gfaqs :):):):):):)s

STFU, your not even in this converstaion. Nobody asked for your input.

[Saiten-Genjo-Sanzo-Hosu]

Saiten-Genjo-Sanzo-Hosu, the simple fact of the matter is that unless your opponent has an intellectual or motor skills deficiency that prevents them from pressing two buttons at once, your "real" combos are all for naught.

Not really. I still will get a few hits in. Every little bit helps. And like I said before, sometimes it hard to recover

Anyways. All Saiten-Genjo-Sanzo-Hosu had to do was turn recovery on and see how worthless his combos really were.

How many times do I have to say I Have tested these combo on the computer and people. Do you have a reading deficiency?

[canebrake]

If you said something wrong about A SEGA game or any game
Im sure people here would point out what you got wrong
not just leave some obnoxious post like *laugh out loud*
Virtua Fighter is the most indepth fighter by far and Im sure
Saiten-Genjo-Sanzo-Hosu would own your :):):):) at that game.


GG is a Sega game. On the new one you don't see any mention of Sammy whatsoever. The Sega Logo is also on Isuka. And as Sega and Sammy have merged, you could say that past games put out by Sammy and now in with the Service games lot. The fact that they bothered to transfer the forums here speaks something of this.


Uhh, YES! Also sometimes its not so easy to break out of combos in the heat of battle.

So.. you acknowledge the combos don't work? Because even as someone who is not so hot at GG and even during the 'heat of battle' I'm mashing buttons to recover anytime someone's caught me.

[Shadow Draygon]

The word in bold is the key word here. We have already come to the realization that combos can be broken by using dust. Your right combos cant be blocked-- but BLOCK and RECOVER are two different completely things.

If my “combo” is not a combo then why does it have a chain of hits at the top of the screen?

Combos can't be broken by using Dust, you meant Burst. And a Burst is a combo breaker, that's what it does, it breaks combos.

While a combo you can break by your opponent by just push two buttons ISN'T A COMBO! I don't see why you don't get it. Combos are made so that cannot be broken. Why would you practice a combo that your opponent CAN get out of vs a combo they CAN'T get out of? Answer that for me please.


Yea it does. Outside of ending the combo, Once started combo’s are independent variables that do not depend on the opponent.

It depends very much on the opponent if he just push TWO BUTTONS TO ESCAPE!!


If it said COMBO ON THE SCREEN I wouldn’t disagree with you-- which is what your doing. If the opponent is too stupid to do anything then that’s their problem.

Which is what I've been trying to explain to you the whole time. Why do something that depends on how stupid your opponent is?


I have common sense. You just don’t realize what a combo is. Who cares if it’s easy to break out of. You will STILL GET SOME HITS-- and it will STILL BE A COMBO. It just wont be as BIG as you planned.

Once again, WHY PRACTICE A COMBO THAT YOUR OPPONENT CAN ESCAPE FROM?!

[Saiten-Genjo-Sanzo-Hosu]

Combos can't be broken by using Dust, you meant Burst. And a Burst is a combo breaker, that's what it does, it breaks combos.

my bad burst. I was in a hurry when typing this. What I said still applies but input the word burst instead of dust.


While a combo you can break by your opponent by just push two buttons ISN'T A COMBO! I don't see why you don't get it. Combos are made so that cannot be broken. Why would you practice a combo that your opponent CAN get out of vs a combo they CAN'T get out of? Asnwer that for me please.

yes it is. if they recover they END THE COMBO. That chain of hits, what ever it may be, IS STILL A COMBO.

there's ALWAYS a chance, not matter how slim it my be. My question to you is why not pratice BOTH. That way you can be Prepared for anything.


It depends very much on the opponent if he just push TWO BUTTONS TO ESCAPE!!

It's not that easy to recover all the time. I know because sometimes when I get juggled, there's TONS of lag time and I press all the buttons like mad, yet I still cant escape.

THat's why my combo wroks SOMETIMES. I may not get the whole thing in but get more than 0 and that's the whole point.


Which is what I've been trying to explain to you the whole time. Why do something that depends on how stupid your opponent is?

because it WORKS. If it aint broke dont fix it.


Once again, WHY PRACTICE A COMBO THAT YOUR OPPONENT CAN ESCAPE FROM?!

Many reasons. there's still a possibility it might. Test the physics of the game.

Also I want to make one thing clear. I didnt PRATICE this combo. It just sorta happened while I was in training. I thought it was neat so I posted it so everyone could view it.

[Sh-ar-ky]

Neather do I care too.
It's "neither" and "to". OMFG, I pwn j00 at spelling!
But capitalization AND he ended his sentence with a period? I see they don't build GFM's like they used too.
I don't spell very well.. So?
It's not very important right now is it.


Anyways. All Saiten-Genjo-Sanzo-Hosu had to do was turn recovery on and see how worthless his combos really were.
I never said anything about how good or bad the combo was
I was saying that 'laugh out loud' is rude.


But really, you're so busy owning SD at life, how can you have time to argue on an internet forum?
Its sunday afternoon and my girlfriends spending time with her brother
because there having a meal its his 18th birthday today.

[zmiy42]

S-uc-ky GTFO kthx

You have seriously added NOTHING to this thread. I'm not saying I was exactly polite when I referred Saiten to that link, but I was making an effort to enlighten him on the topic.

All you've done is failed to mock SD by jumping to conclusions and using terrible logical fallacies in your "arguments" :roll:. Example: "You can beat me at GG, therefore I beat you at life / you suck at life." Get some logic you f-ckin nub! How the hell does that compute?

By the way, I think you said something condescending like, "Well, Guilty Gear is just a hobby for me..." Guess what?

GUILTY GEAR IS A HOBBY FOR ALL OF US. (AND WE ALL PLAY IT FOR FUN, TOO.)

Trust me.

I'm a 3rd year math/physics student, and I only play the game maybe 20 minutes a day, just to practice and have fun. I spend most of my time studying, and I go out on Fridays/Saturdays when I don't have 3 assignments or lab reports to do for the following Monday/Tuesday.

So you see, no one's calling you a "scrub" because "you have a life/job" -- it's cuz you're not interested in trying to get better at the game YET you try to make yourself somehow morally superior to those that DO.

B-tch.



P.S.: Saiten go back to your post on the first page and edit out the direct-link to Lolilerbutai. Show them some courtesy by not stealing their bandwidth kthx.

P.P.S.: Hey S-uc-ky I know this may not have been directed at me but since you brought up the question: "...are you going too [sic] get somewhere in life?", I just thought I'd mention that I'm planning to get my PhD in either Math or Physics, so screw you.

[WarheadBob]

Anyways. All Saiten-Genjo-Sanzo-Hosu had to do was turn recovery on and see how worthless his combos really were.
I never said anything about how good or bad the combo was
I was saying that 'laugh out loud' is rude.
Yes. And you clearly insulted him in the same post. And the next one. Etc. You just point out he's rude, insult him, then play holier-than-thou.



But really, you're so busy owning SD at life, how can you have time to argue on an internet forum?
Its sunday afternoon and my girlfriends spending time with her brother
because there having a meal its his 18th birthday today.
Basically you have nothing better to do today without your girlfriend. Own SD at life indeed.

[Saiten-Genjo-Sanzo-Hosu]

Combos with Testament.

63214HS ----> If it connects: jump, P,P,S, 214p <----> sometimes you can connect it with some down attacks as well.

The main way I combo up with Testy is: using 63214HS in multiple places. It's a good trap cuz it's invisable until it's path is crossed.

I use it for ground and air.

Another good combo is

63214HS to set trap behind enemy (It can be tricky to set this up right) <begin here> S,S,HS, 214p, <----> If traps connects: jump, P,P,S, 214p

[Sh-ar-ky]

zmiy42 I'll be frank, I skimmed through that post and desided I just
couldnt be bothered to read it.
But I'll give you the benifit of the doubt and say J00 PWNT ME..
If you like?

WarheadBob, I insulted him because he was rude
Sure two wrongs don't make a right but I never said I was jesus.

Oh and Not that I have too prove anything to you
but I'm resting today I had a pretty big drinking session last night
and Today is deffinitly a recovery day.

[Shadow Draygon]

Wow, getting wasted the pervious day makes you're life way cooler then mine! :roll:

[WarheadBob]

taraction wants you to know:

there's nothing wrong with being a newbie. the guilty gear community welcomes newbies, but we wipe our :):):):):) with scrubs. the difference? newbies say "hmm, so you tell me that jam is better than potemkin for reasons i don't quite understand, but i'm willing to learn why.' scrubs say "what?! that's bull**** because i think potemkin is better than jam and since i can't be wrong therefore you are and you fail at life loser el oh el.'
Profanity filter? Lawlz.

[Saiten-Genjo-Sanzo-Hosu]

You have seriously added NOTHING to this thread. I'm not saying I was exactly polite when I referred Saiten to that link, but I was making an effort to enlighten him on the topic.

All you've done is failed to mock SD by jumping to conclusions and using terrible logical fallacies in your "arguments" . Example: "You can beat me at GG, therefore I beat you at life / you suck at life." Get some logic you f-ckin nub! How the hell does that compute?

By the way, I think you said something condescending like, "Well, Guilty Gear is just a hobby for me..." Guess what?

GUILTY GEAR IS A HOBBY FOR ALL OF US. (AND WE ALL PLAY IT FOR FUN, TOO.)

Trust me.

I'm a 3rd year math/physics student, and I only play the game maybe 20 minutes a day, just to practice and have fun. I spend most of my time studying, and I go out on Fridays/Saturdays when I don't have 3 assignments or lab reports to do for the following Monday/Tuesday.

So you see, no one's calling you a "scrub" because "you have a life/job" -- it's cuz you're not interested in trying to get better at the game YET you try to make yourself somehow morally superior to those that DO.

B-tch.

P.S.: Saiten go back to your post on the first page and edit out the direct-link to Lolilerbutai. Show them some courtesy by not stealing their bandwidth kthx.

P.P.S.: Hey S-uc-ky I know this may not have been directed at me but since you brought up the question: "...are you going too [sic] get somewhere in life?", I just thought I'd mention that I'm planning to get my PhD in either Math or Physics, so screw you.


It’s easy to get ill when your post seems offensive. Just like this one. People respond to anger with more anger normally.

The links been fixed.

[canebrake]

yes it is. if they recover they END THE COMBO. That chain of hits, what ever it may be, IS STILL A COMBO.

Is it not the point of a combo for it to go as long as possible without leaving openings for your opponent to tech out? Scaling aside, a long unbreakable combo is part of the mind game I am told. If your nine hit combo is cracked after three or four hits, then something is wrong.

[Saiten-Genjo-Sanzo-Hosu]

taraction wants you to know:

there's nothing wrong with being a newbie. the guilty gear community welcomes newbies, but we wipe our :):):):):) with scrubs. the difference? newbies say "hmm, so you tell me that jam is better than potemkin for reasons i don't quite understand, but i'm willing to learn why.' scrubs say "what?! that's bull**** because i think potemkin is better than jam and since i can't be wrong therefore you are and you fail at life loser el oh el.'
Profanity filter? Lawlz.

Omit the "and since i can't be wrong therefore you are and you fail at life loser el oh el." and that's what I think. Jam is not better than potemkin in my opinion. I dont care what some stats say I have yet to see jam beat potemkin nor have I seen any plausible reasons why she can beat him.

[Sh-ar-ky]

Wow, getting wasted the pervious day makes you're life way cooler then mine! :roll:

I'm british, Drinking is a way of life!
Its not like I was sitting in a corner of a dark cold room
drinking alone.

Ok I take back what I said about you having no life
but the point I was making was not everybody knows
about GG and posts like 'laugh out loud' arent
going to help.

Granted youve tryed now..
Lets just drop it because really I don't like Argueing it bores me.

[zmiy42]

well SH-T, SON. SH-T. ;__;

[Saiten-Genjo-Sanzo-Hosu]

yes it is. if they recover they END THE COMBO. That chain of hits, what ever it may be, IS STILL A COMBO.

Is it not the point of a combo for it to go as long as possible without leaving openings for your opponent to tech out? Scaling aside, a long unbreakable combo is part of the mind game I am told. If your nine hit combo is cracked after three or four hits, then something is wrong.

Yes, I agree that everyone wants long unbreakable combo's. If someone breaks out, then they break out. theirs not much I can do about it.

I never said my combo was the best or anywhere close to it. You may think it's not all that good-- and that's fine I dont care. The whole reason why me and SD got into this debate is because he said my combo wasnt a combo. Now if he would have said it's not a good combo. Then I probably would have said something like "STFU and I dont care" and that would have been the end of it.

[Shadow Draygon]

@Sh-ar-ky: Fine with me, I had no beef against you in the first place.


Omit the "and since i can't be wrong therefore you are and you fail at life loser el oh el." and that's what I think. Jam is not better than potemkin in my opinion. I dont care what some stats say I have yet to see jam beat potemkin nor have I seen any plausible reasons why she can beat him.

I hope you realize you sound like this:

No way, the South won in the American Civil War! I've failed to see a yankee beat the confederacy and I see no plausible reason why they can beat them!

Because that's what you sound like, it's a fact, Jam is much better then Potemkin. You are agruing proven facts versus your own opinion. Just because you play against the computer and a few friends doesn't make you the number one source on who's good and who's bad in Guilty Gear.

Please stop this now, you're only proving how childish you are about the topic.

[WarheadBob]

Saiten-Genjo-Sanzo-Hosu, that just roves your scrubness. Or scrubility, I don't remember.

[Saiten-Genjo-Sanzo-Hosu]

No way, the South won in the American Civil War! I've failed to see a yankee beat the confederacy and I see no plausible reason why they can beat them!

That’s not a good Juxtaposition. Don’t even try and compare the two. The Civil War is an event that happened. Jam being stronger than Potemkin is an opinion.


Because that's what you sound like, it's a fact, Jam is much better then Potemkin. You are agruing proven facts versus your own opinion. Just because you play against the computer and a few friends doesn't make you the number one source on who's good and who's bad in Guilty Gear.

How is she stronger. Just saying she’s stronger is not going to prove anything to me. How come what you say is “fact” and what I say is opinion? I never said I was a source in the first place.


Please stop this now, you're only proving how childish you are about the topic.

I’m a very childish person.

[Sh-ar-ky]

well SH-T, SON. SH-T. ;__;

I'm glad you changed this post..
Did you go and look at what you actually said?

You made it sound like we have been doing battle for
about 3 pages and that you were being reasonable when you
first entered this convo.

When infact your first post was on the second page
and it wasnt too me, but it was offencive
and the first post too me was on page 3 of 4
and that also was offencive.

But I think what you changed it too works well too.

[Saiten-Genjo-Sanzo-Hosu]

Saiten-Genjo-Sanzo-Hosu, that just roves your scrubness. Or scrubility, I don't remember.

warheadbob your name should be airheadbob because that's what it's full of--air. I'm in a pWning mood today dont test me.

[Shadow Draygon]

How is she stronger. Just saying she’s stronger is not going to prove anything to me. How come what you say is “fact” and what I say is opinion? I never said I was a source in the first place.

Well you clearly think that Jam is weaker then Pot, that would make it seem you know more about Jam and Pot then me no isn't?

Why is Jam A-Ranked and Pot E-Ranked?

Because she has better combo setups with little or no tension, high damage strings, and awesome mix-up game, quick and fast, etc.

I could go on into details about why she's higher on the tier list but you've continued to prove that you don't listen to me and state that your opinion are better the pros (no me) that have played this game a devolved the characters in such a way to earn they're rank on the the tier list.

The tier list is opinion, it FACT.

[WarheadBob]

Oh shi-I's gonna gets pwned! He made a pun on mein name!
Jam's IAD loop FTW.

[canebrake]

Yes, I agree that everyone wants long unbreakable combo's. If someone breaks out, then they break out. theirs not much I can do about it.


Then your combo fails. There is something you can do about. Use a combo that does not give them a chance to get away. That you choose not to is you, not the game or the properties of the combo. From my expirience leaving openings is giving permission for your opponent to punish you for your oversight. So it's not about wanting, it's about basic survival.


warheadbob your name should be airheadbob because that's what it's full of--air. I'm in a pWning mood today dont test me.

...
*cough*

[Saiten-Genjo-Sanzo-Hosu]

Well you clearly think that Jam is weaker then Pot, that would make it seem you know more about Jam and Pot then me no isn't?

What? All I said is I THINK potemkin is stronger than Jam-- and GIVE ME SOME REASONS. which you havent did.


Why is Jam A-Ranked and Pot E-Ranked?

because whoever made the list is stupid. If the maker of the game didnt make that list then I dont wanna hear any more about it.


Because she has better combo setups with little or no tension, high damage strings, and awesome mix-up game, quick and fast, etc.

Better combo setup: I'll give you that.
better mixup: I'll give you that.

Yea she's quick--quick to die.

what is the etc. I want the in-depth list of everything


I could go on into details about why she's higher on the tier list but you've continued to prove that you don't listen to me and state that your opinion are better the pros (no me) that have played this game a devolved the characters in such a way to earn they're rank on the the tier list.

IF I become a pro then what? My opinion is just as valid as theirs.

The tier list is opinion, it FACT.

What?

[Saiten-Genjo-Sanzo-Hosu]

Then your combo fails. There is something you can do about. Use a combo that does not give them a chance to get away. That you choose not to is you, not the game or the properties of the combo. From my expirience leaving openings is giving permission for your opponent to punish you for your oversight. So it's not about wanting, it's about basic survival.

that's not even the issue. The reason why this whole debate started is because it was said that my combo wasnt a combo.

I know the risks of using it. I'll use it at my own discretion.

[Shadow Draygon]

So basically you choose to puposefully use bad combos?

That's like bringing a gun with no bullets to a shoot out.

You want a better chance to survive? Better load up the gun with more bullets. Hence, better combos that don't break because you let your opponent escape.

The tier list is offical, keep dening it and it just show how little you truely know.

Want one reason why Jam can bet better with Pot, she a special combo just for him where IAD all around him and has and endless loop combo on him.

Very hard to do, but can be done.

[Saiten-Genjo-Sanzo-Hosu]

So basically you choose to puposefully use bad combos?

That's like bringing a gun with no bullets to a shoot out.

You want a better chance to survive? Better load up the gun with more bullets. Hence, better combos that don't break because you let your opponent escape.

The tier list is offical, keep dening it and it just show how little you truely know.

Want one reason why Jam can bet better with Pot, she a special combo just for him where IAD all around him and has and endless loop combo on him.

Very hard to do, but can be done.

FINALLY you gvie me some reasons.

Their not bad combos. that's your opinion. they are MY combos and I use them at the right times.

What is IAD and what is endless combo loop?

[Shadow Draygon]

THEY ARE BAD COMBOS IF YOU LET YOUR OPPONENT ESCAPE FROM THEM!!

And I've already post the Jam stuff before, you just ignored me though.

IAD - Instant Air Dash, dashing right off the ground very fast.

Endless combo loop? Come on already?! Don't you have any terminology down!? Are you telling me you can't figure out what "endless combo loop" means?

[WarheadBob]

It means she :):):):):) Pot 50%+ for free. Or was it more around 75%?

[Saiten-Genjo-Sanzo-Hosu]

THEY ARE BAD COMBOS IF YOU LET YOUR OPPONENT ESCAPE FROM THEM!!

And I've already post the Jam stuff before, you just ignored me though.

IAD - Instant Air Dash, dashing right off the ground very fast.

Endless combo loop? Come on already?! Don't you have any terminology down!? Are you telling me you can't figure out what "endless combo loop" means?

you cant dash off the ground. you jump off the ground. the only person that dashes from ground to air is i-no.

no. I wouldnt have asked if i knew the answer to the question.

[canebrake]

FINALLY you gvie me some reasons.

Their not bad combos. that's your opinion. they are MY combos and I use them at the right times.

What is IAD and what is endless combo loop?

A couple hits and then a big blinking sign to be wiped all over the floor qualifies as a bad combo in almost all books, reguardless of knowing the risks. Everyone knows the risks, most everyone takes measures to minimise them. Right time or not if they can be broken, they will be and then you will be punished for it. It's dropping the ball and refusing to pick it back up.

It's not a combo. It's an invitation to the die.

IAD= jump followed immediatly by a dash so that the air dash is preformed a few pixels off the ground.

[Shadow Draygon]

There you go again think you know more about the game then me.

Everyone can IAD. All you have to do is input up, right, right or 866 or 899 really fast.

Once again you fail at trying to prove you know more about the game then me.

[Saiten-Genjo-Sanzo-Hosu]

There you go again think you know more about the game then me.

Everyone can IAD. All you have to do is input up, right, right or 866 or 899 really fast.

Once again you fail at trying to prove you know more about the game then me.

You still had to jump first. it's not my fault you dont explan thing well.

A couple hits and then a big blinking sign to be wiped all over the floor qualifies as a bad combo in almost all books, reguardless of knowing the risks. Everyone knows the risks, most everyone takes measures to minimise them. Right time or not if they can be broken, they will be and then you will be punished for it. It's dropping the ball and refusing to pick it back up.

I'n not the one to talk about bad grammar because mine is horrible but damn I couldnt read none of that. slow down a little when your typing or something please.

[zmiy42]

damnit >__<

[Saiten-Genjo-Sanzo-Hosu]

Does potemkin not have a endless loop combo?

I think that's what I was asking for in the opening post.

you think jam has the upper hand on potemkin because she can instant dash?

[canebrake]

I'n not the one to talk about bad grammar because mine is horrible but damn I couldnt read none of that. slow down a little when your typing or something please.

If I use shorter sentences and smaller words to further clarify my already plain English will you not use red text?

[Saiten-Genjo-Sanzo-Hosu]

I'n not the one to talk about bad grammar because mine is horrible but damn I couldnt read none of that. slow down a little when your typing or something please.

If I use shorter sentences and smaller words to further clarify my already plain English will you not use red text?

I can do that.

[Shadow Draygon]

Potemkin can't combo.

Well, no as well as everyone else can that is.

So no, he has no combo like that.

Only Jam vs Pot and Zappa's dog have one.

[zmiy42]

Saiten, canebrake's English is fine, maybe you should slow down and try to think about what's being said.

I just wanted to comment on this:

it's not my fault you dont explan thing well.
See, it's not our fault that you assume that you know lots about the game! You need to make less assumptions and ask more questions about stuff.

e.g. SD said something that you disagreed with. Rather than asking him, "What do you mean by that, SD?" or "I don't agree, how is that possible?", all you say is, "You're wrong."

How can you expect to have a productive discussion when you're just telling people that don't agree with you that "they're wrong"?


BTW, we're not saying Jam wins vs. Pot because she can IAD. However, among two equally skilled players, one playing Jam and the other playing Pot, the Jam player is more likely to win because she has better options to beat Pot than Pot has to beat Jam.

P.S.: I think SD meant that Pot has no infinite combo.

[Saiten-Genjo-Sanzo-Hosu]

Potemkin can't combo.

Well, no as well as everyone else can that is.

So no, he has no combo like that.

Only Jam vs Pot and Zappa's dog have one.

so let me get this stright.

Your saying Potemkin has not endless loop combo?

And your saying that the only people that do is Zappa and Jam?

Or are you saying that Potemkin and zappa are the only two that DONT have one?

[zmiy42]

See my above post ^__^

Well, I guess I can clarify:

Zappa has an infinite combo if you have his dog summon out, and you manage to get your opponent into the corner.

Jam only has an infinte combo on Potemkin.

(These are the regular characters, too, and you don't need any tension to do the infinites.)

[Shadow Draygon]

Jam has one, but it only works on Pot.

Zappa has one with his dog.

That's it.

[canebrake]

I can do that.

Then I will, by all means, continue on with my shackle-like grip on sentence structure. Do you even read what you typed before you hit post?

[Saiten-Genjo-Sanzo-Hosu]

Saiten, canebrake's English is fine, maybe you should slow down and try to think about what's being said.

he english skills really dont matter to me it's just that in that paticular post I couldnt understand anything he said.


See, it's not our fault that you assume that you know lots about the game! You need to make less assumptions and ask more questions about stuff.

Will you please take a look back at the other pages of this thread. I have already said I'm not an expert. And I havent assumed anything.


e.g. SD said something that you disagreed with. Rather than asking him, "What do you mean by that, SD?" or "I don't agree, how is that possible?", all you say is, "You're wrong."

THAT'S WHAT I'VE BEEN DOING. DO I HAVE TO GO BACK, COPY AND PASTE EVERYTHING, JUST SO YOU CAN SEE IT.


How can you expect to have a productive discussion when you're just telling people that don't agree with you that "they're wrong"?

I'm not telling him that.


BTW, we're not saying Jam wins vs. Pot because she can IAD. However, among two equally skilled players, one playing Jam and the other playing Pot, the Jam player is more likely to win because she has better options to beat Pot than Pot has to beat Jam.

Like what?


P.S.: I think SD meant that Pot has no infinite combo.

ok. Cr@p that sucks.

[Saiten-Genjo-Sanzo-Hosu]

I can do that.

Then I will, by all means, continue on with my shackle-like grip on sentence structure. Do you even read what you typed before you hit post?

I stop using red didnt I?

[Shadow Draygon]

Now you're just being a major :):):):):):) if you ask me.

[farvana]

See, it's not our fault that you assume that you know lots about the game! You need to make less assumptions and ask more questions about stuff.

Will you please take a look back at the other pages of this thread. I have already said I'm not an expert. And I havent assumed anything.

DANGER, WILL ROBINSON!

UNTRUTH!

You ASSUMED that "you cant dash off the ground." You ASSUMED that Jam is NOT better than Potemkin. You ASSUMED that the tier list was crap.

You CONTINUED to argue when you couldn't understand the arguement presented to you, instead of, say, going to the forums presented and taking TEN MINUTES TO EDUCATE YOURSELF.

Stop. Come back tomorrow after reading up.

[Saiten-Genjo-Sanzo-Hosu]

Now you're just being a major :):):):):):) if you ask me.

why do you say that? I put things in CAPS to get peoples attention. not cuz I'm yelling.

[Saiten-Genjo-Sanzo-Hosu]

You ASSUMED that "you cant dash off the ground." You ASSUMED that Jam is NOT better than Potemkin. You ASSUMED that the tier list was ***.

No.... Just no. :| You cant dash off the ground. you have to jump before you do it. the only person that that dashes from ground to a air is i-no

like this:

IAD: 866
I-no dash: 66

see the difference?

Once again i said I think Potemkin is better than jam. That's not a assumption that's an opinion.

And I didnt ASSUME anything about the tier list, but I did say I dont agree with it.



You CONTINUED to argue when you couldn't understand the arguement presented to you, instead of, say, going to the forums presented and taking TEN MINUTES TO EDUCATE YOURSELF.

what do you think I'm doing here? wasting my time?

[Shadow Draygon]

Now you're just being a major :):):):):):) if you ask me.

why do you say that? I put things in CAPS to get peoples attention. not cuz I'm yelling.

Typeing in annoying colors is annoying.

[Saiten-Genjo-Sanzo-Hosu]

Now you're just being a major :):):):):):) if you ask me.

why do you say that? I put things in CAPS to get peoples attention. not cuz I'm yelling.

Typeing in annoying colors is annoying.

I guess you like the world in black and while then?

[Shadow Draygon]

I like the world in an easy to read format.

[canebrake]

what do you think I'm doing here? wasting my time?

yes.

[farvana]

You've been pointed to two places that AREN'T a waste of time, Roman Cancel and Dust Loop.

And you DID say flat-out that Jam is better than Potemkin.

You retracted the statement after several pages of arguing; I don't want to go through that again.

Hell, HERE: http://www.gamecombos.com/games/ggxx/ This place is worth your time. Unlike this hole of a forum.

[Saiten-Genjo-Sanzo-Hosu]

what do you think I'm doing here? wasting my time?

yes.

well contrary to the belief, I'm trying to learn about GGXX

[farvana]

Don't do it here.

[Saiten-Genjo-Sanzo-Hosu]

I like the world in an easy to read format.

Then what color would you prefer? And dont say black or white cuz they aint colors.

[Shadow Draygon]

Yes instead go DL or RC, but be for worned: I'm a saint compared to what the people will do to you if you act like you did here.



I like the world in an easy to read format.

Then what color would you prefer? And dont say black or white cuz they aint colors.

Uhhh, white is a combination of all colors.

And white is the best color for this forum because it's easier to read, hence why it's the default color.

[farvana]

...

Easy to read = lack of color. Are you happy?

[Saiten-Genjo-Sanzo-Hosu]

You've been pointed to two places that AREN'T a waste of time, Roman Cancel and Dust Loop.

And you DID say flat-out that Jam is better than Potemkin.

You retracted the statement after several pages of arguing; I don't want to go through that again.

Hell, HERE: http://www.gamecombos.com/games/ggxx/ This place is worth your time. Unlike this hole of a forum.

I’ve always been told “the Proofs in the pudding.”


I did like a 9 hit combo with Potemkin. (does 295 damage)

I think that Potemkin is the hardest character to beat. He's so big and strong (which is good cuz I play with him :P ) And he takes the least amount of damage.

Some of the characters (like jam and baiken) dont stand a chance.

first page.....

[canebrake]

well contrary to the belief, I'm trying to learn about GGXX

Much that which is known in the server as try. Romancancel.com, dustloop.com indeed.


I’ve always been told “the Proofs in the pudding.”


I did like a 9 hit combo with Potemkin. (does 295 damage)

I think that Potemkin is the hardest character to beat. He's so big and strong (which is good cuz I play with him :P ) And he takes the least amount of damage.

Some of the characters (like jam and baiken) dont stand a chance.[/color]

first page.....

And this proves.. what? Your pudding is watery and has gritty clumps in it?

[Saiten-Genjo-Sanzo-Hosu]

Yes instead go DL or RC, but be for worned: I'm a saint compared to what the people will do to you if you act like you did here.



I like the world in an easy to read format.

Then what color would you prefer? And dont say black or white cuz they aint colors.

Uhhh, white is a combination of all colors.

And white is the best color for this forum because it's easier to read, hence why it's the default color.

No, light is a combination of all colors. White is a shade.

There's two different board styles. White cant be seen very well on the one I use.

[Saiten-Genjo-Sanzo-Hosu]

well contrary to the belief, I'm trying to learn about GGXX

Much that which is known in the server as try. Romancancel.com, dustloop.com indeed.


I’ve always been told “the Proofs in the pudding.”


I did like a 9 hit combo with Potemkin. (does 295 damage)

I think that Potemkin is the hardest character to beat. He's so big and strong (which is good cuz I play with him :P ) And he takes the least amount of damage.

Some of the characters (like jam and baiken) dont stand a chance.[/color]

first page.....

And this proves.. what? Your pudding is watery and has gritty clumps in it?


And you DID say flat-out that Jam is better than Potemkin.

[Shadow Draygon]

Light is represented as the color relecting all of the color spectrum (white) and Black is the color of the spectrum being completely absorbed.

Don't tell me you're going to starting agruing science with me now are you?

[Saiten-Genjo-Sanzo-Hosu]

Light is represented as the color relecting all of the color spectrum (white) and Black is the color of the spectrum being completely absorbed.

Don't tell me you're going to starting agruing science with me now are you?

No not really. Next time you see an art major ask him what "color" white is. he will tell you it's a shade.

Light and white are not the same thing. White crayons arent made from mixing the other colors together. If they are then I've been left out of the loop. :shock:

[DrgnEclair]

the correct term is 'value'

my art professor scoffed at people who called it 'shade', saying they were inept trash .. i liked that teacher

[Saiten-Genjo-Sanzo-Hosu]

the correct term is 'value'

my art professor scoffed at people who called it 'shade', saying they were inept trash .. i liked that teacher

must be tha technical lingo.

[Leopaldon]

the top 3 of most hated charecters for me are:1axl 2kliff and last but not least 3may.I have to say that Justice is the most powerfull charecter.The bad thing of Kliff is that he is too week,but his pluses are that he takes much,very much damage and whit that he brings down the oponent to he's week level.I can kill the oponent with one combo with Kliff.

[Saiten-Genjo-Sanzo-Hosu]

My most hated character is jonny.

[darkshadowDTG]

Light is represented as the color relecting all of the color spectrum (white) and Black is the color of the spectrum being completely absorbed.

Don't tell me you're going to starting agruing science with me now are you?

No not really. Next time you see an art major ask him what "color" white is. he will tell you it's a shade.

Light and white are not the same thing. White crayons arent made from mixing the other colors together. If they are then I've been left out of the loop. :shock:

ok shut up and listen so this can end, white is the abscence of all light and black is the colection of all light, so say my FORENSICS teacher there its ended.

[Xain Xodik]

wow, this thread is all kinds of funny :lol:

Sega forum huh? Neat.

[Kirby]

Oh, dear.... seems this thread has been busy over the weekend.
It seems to have gone from a silly form of one-up-manship to a ridiculous (and irrelevent) argument over....what black and white actually are....perhaps we could get back on-topic in a non-agitating manner?

[Saiten-Genjo-Sanzo-Hosu]

wow, this thread is all kinds of funny :lol:

Sega forum huh? Neat.

Yea, these boards are great.

[Shadow Draygon]

wow, this thread is all kinds of funny :lol:

Sega forum huh? Neat.

Yea, these boards are horrible.

Fixed. :o

[Saiten-Genjo-Sanzo-Hosu]

wow, this thread is all kinds of funny :lol:

Sega forum huh? Neat.

Yea, these boards are great.

Fixed. :o

indeed. :wink:

[Shadow Draygon]

I'll say it again, this forum is horrible (not the whole thing just the section, I don't care for the other forums) because people around here will make up there own info about the game instead of ask questions or choose to learn from more experience players.

That kind of ignorance I can't stand.

[Kirby]

Might I ask who exactly is "making up their own info" about the game? And when I read the thread, it didn't seem like anyone was being ignorant. Everyone, however, appeared to be quite stubborn.
Perhaps part of your problem is that, rather than offer some experienced info (I'm assuming you consider yourself experienced) you simply call people ignorant and proceed to argue over something irrelevant to the topic, instead of providing a simple matter-of-fact correction. I'm sure Saiten would have listened if you hadn't gone on an immediate verbal offensive.

[Xain Xodik]

that's true, actually.

Being calm and personable is much better.

And to be honest, shadow, you DID immediately attack him.

[Shadow Draygon]

I never said I was being 100% mature about the situation, but when I offered help or correction it was thrown back in my face.

Other people have been playing this game for years, wouldn't it be better to learn from them besides people who are just starting out?

It's like hiring someone for a job, would you take the guy with no experience or the guy with experience?

[darkshadowDTG]

I think that Potemkin is the hardest character to beat. He's so big and strong (which is good cuz I play with him :P ) And he takes the least amount of damage.

Some of the characters (like jam and baiken) dont stand a chance.


ok i promise this is the last i talk on this thread; considering i just saw this post; unless someone :):):):)es me off ((hopefully someone wont)), any character is the hardest to beat you just gotta work them differently. ive dominated pot players all the time with Jam because she so much damn faster than him. NO :):):):)!!! i mean not to be mean to Potemkin but hes not one of the best i dont know why you people like him so((other than the fact that hammerfall he takes little to no dmg))

[Saiten-Genjo-Sanzo-Hosu]

I think that Potemkin is the hardest character to beat. He's so big and strong (which is good cuz I play with him :P ) And he takes the least amount of damage.

Some of the characters (like jam and baiken) dont stand a chance.


ok i promise this is the last i talk on this thread; considering i just saw this post; unless someone *** me off ((hopefully someone wont)), any character is the hardest to beat you just gotta work them differently. ive dominated pot players all the time with Jam because she so much damn faster than him. NO ***!!! i mean not to be mean to Potemkin but hes not one of the best i dont know why you people like him so((other than the fact that hammerfall he takes little to no dmg))

Yea, I do like the fact that he takes little damage. Yea I am aware of how slow Potemkin is. Personally I think his attacks are pretty fast-- he just moves slow. And yea he is definally slower than jam.

I wish I could face you in a match--Not saying I could beat you or anything but I still dont see how Jam has any major advantages over Potemkin.

[Shadow Draygon]

Well you should find some match videos of Jam in action.

I don't have any links off hand but if I find some I'll post them.

[darkshadowDTG]

let me upload some of mine then ill show him


in the mean time

- General -

d.S(c)-S(f)-2S-2D -> Power Up (optional)
(94 dmg)

d.S(c)-2S-K-S(c)-2D -> 623K(3),236K,623K(3)
(139 dmg)


d.S(c)-2S-K-S(c)-S(f) -> IAD, iad.P-D(2) (land), j.S-P-S -> JC, dj.H -> 236K,623K,236K
(163 dmg)

d.S(c)-S(c)-6H(1) -> RC, air.S (land)m j.S-P-S -> JC, dj.H -> 236K,214K,236K
(186 dmg)

d.S(c)-S(c)-6H(2) -> RC, air.S (land)m j.S-P-S -> JC, dj.H -> 236K,214K,236K
(194 dmg)


236236H(1) -> RC, d.S(c)-S(f)-2H(1) -> 236K,623K(3),236K
(290 dmg)

236236H(1) -> RC, d.S(c)-S(f)-2H(1) -> 236K(PO),214K,236K
(290 dmg)


(corner) 236236H(1) -> RC, d.S(c)-S(f) -> IAD, iad.P-D(2) (land), IAD, iad.D(2) (land), j.H -> 236K,214K(PO) (land), S(c)-s(f) -> JC, j.S-H -> 236K,623K(3),236K
(298 dmg, Potemkin)

(corner) 236236H(1) -> RC, d.S(c)-S(f) -> IAD, iad.P-D(2) (land), j.D(2) -> 236K,214K(PO) (land), S(c)-s(f) -> JC, j.D -> 236K,623K(3),236K
(342 dmg)



- Dust -

D /\ ([8]H-H-H-S)-P-S -> JC, S-H -> 236K,623K,236K
(152 dmg)

D /\ ([8]H-H-H-H-H) -> 236K,623K,236K
(156 dmg)

D /\ ([8]H-H-H-S) -> JC, S-H -> 236K,623K,236K
(157 dmg)

D /\ ([8]H-H-H-H-S) -> JC, dj.S-H -> 236K,623K,236K
(161 dmg)



- Throw -

Throw -> FRC, S-S -> JC, j.D(2) -> 236K,623K,236K
(138 dmg)

Throw -> FRC, S-S -> JC, j.S-P-S -> JC, dj.H -> 236K,214K,236K
(150 dmg)

Throw -> FRC, S-S -> JC, j.S-P-S -> JC, dj.S-H -> 236K,214K,236K
(156 dmg)

there thats how i know jam can crack Potemkin

[Shadow Draygon]

And only having 420 health, Jam is a hard hitter.

[darkshadowDTG]

Yea, I do like the fact that he takes little damage. Yea I am aware of how slow Potemkin is. Personally I think his attacks are pretty fast-- he just moves slow. And yea he is definally slower than jam.

I wish I could face you in a match--Not saying I could beat you or anything but I still dont see how Jam has any major advantages over Potemkin.

i said other than the fact that during HAMMERFALL takes little or no dmg

[Xain Xodik]

jam has plenty of damage. I'll even give examples of a hard to hit character (testament is pretty heavy)...

this stuff is easier in the corner, but can be done midscreen (at midscreen, you have to reverse the input of the 236S~H to 214S~H, because jam flies to the other side of the character after the RC, and sometimes you can only do S(f) -> JC, j.D after to combo the kicks):

d.5K-S(c)-5H(3) -> 236S~K(staggers) -> 236K -> RC, land, 236S~H, S(c)-S(f) -> JC, j.S -> DJC, dj.S-H -> 236K(charged) -> 623K -> 214K
does 254 damage on testament

and...

iad.214K (drops her straight down), land, d.S(c)-2H -> 236K(charged) -> RC, 236S~H, S(c)-S(f) -> JC, j.S -> DJC, dj.S-H -> 236K -> 623K -> 214K
does 287 damage on testament


and corner impossible dust combo...

5D -> Homing jump H -> iad.H then fall a bit and -> 236K(charged)(hits late), land, S(c)-S(f) -> JC, j.D -> 236K -> 623K -> 214K
190 damage on testament

see? damage. And, she has particularly damaging combos on pot, too. Plus, she can always get a ton of tension off 6K -> iad loops (6K -> iad.P-P-H, land, 6K -> iad... etc. you can do this on nearly anyone, and on potemkin, it can be a block string due to his height, even when he crouches).

darkshadow: 6H -> RC is a pointless waste of tension. Just stick with knockdown -> charge, or go for a charged kick combo if you have the charge.

oh, and by the way...

this V

236236H(1) -> RC, d.S(c)-S(f)-2H(1) -> 236K,623K(3),236K
(290 dmg)

236236H(1) -> RC, d.S(c)-S(f)-2H(1) -> 236K(PO),214K,236K
(290 dmg)


(corner) 236236H(1) -> RC, d.S(c)-S(f) -> IAD, iad.P-D(2) (land), IAD, iad.D(2) (land), j.H -> 236K,214K(PO) (land), S(c)-s(f) -> JC, j.S-H -> 236K,623K(3),236K
(298 dmg, Potemkin)

(corner) 236236H(1) -> RC, d.S(c)-S(f) -> IAD, iad.P-D(2) (land), j.D(2) -> 236K,214K(PO) (land), S(c)-s(f) -> JC, j.D -> 236K,623K(3),236K
(342 dmg)

...no longer works in reload. They toned down the damage modifier for that super's first hit so it can no longer glitch the damage done by hits done after it as severely. In reload, it does nearly identical damage to anything done after a 2 hit 236236H.

[darkshadowDTG]

eh i dont play reload as often i do X2 for ps2

[Saiten-Genjo-Sanzo-Hosu]

Yea, I'd like to see those videos.

[-VS-]

Hi SD, Warhead, Farvana, canebreak and anyone else I missed.




SD is right.

EDIT: Here's my one Jam match vid.

http://s40.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=2LU9BSBTS51261U8FNLAJ8QSXW

It also has your precious potemkin in it, unfortunately they aren't fighting each other so you could see how wrong you really really are. And yes, I realize that Potty beat Srayer, but that's only because POTEMKIN IS SLAYER'S WORST NIGHTMARE

OOOOoooOoOoooOOOOoooooooooOOOO.

[Xain Xodik]

why are you even posting american vids? Post japanese vids please.

If not, I'll just put some kaqn up myself.

[-VS-]

Because I said it's my ONE JAMMY VID. Besides, it isn't that bad. Not that I know what I'm talking about since I play none of those characters. And it's kr playing. Come on. Everyone wants to see that.

[Saiten-Genjo-Sanzo-Hosu]

Hi SD, Warhead, Farvana, canebreak and anyone else I missed.




SD is right.

EDIT: Here's my one Jam match vid.

http://s40.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=2LU9BSBTS51261U8FNLAJ8QSXW

It also has your precious potemkin in it, unfortunately they aren't fighting each other so you could see how wrong you really really are. And yes, I realize that Potty beat Srayer, but that's only because POTEMKIN IS SLAYER'S WORST NIGHTMARE

OOOOoooOoOoooOOOOoooooooooOOOO.

Excuses, excuses...

Potemkin would do jam just like he did slayer.

I still think jam cant win cuz Potemkin has more reach. She may have better this and that but her reach is too short. A smart Potemkin player will poke her do death. And lord forbid she gets in the corner or get's HPB.

The movie isnt working. link leads to some where else.

Let me give the reasons why she cant win again.
-lack of reach
-VERY low defense

Add to that, that
Potemkins reach is like twice her body siZe.
he has Very High defense
he as anti air attacks

And there's do dispute that a close Potemkin can make you dead REALLY fast.

So if both players are on the same playing level or Jam's player has a little more experience (not much) Potemkin will win. That's why I have yet to beat Potemkin with Jam against my friends. I'm better with Jam than they are Potemkin but his advanages outweigh hers.

I'll say it one last time. It doesnt matter what jam can do if she cant get close.

[-VS-]

The link leads to yousendit's site. Perhaps you should click somewhere on the page. Maybe where it says, in big letters, DOWNLOAD NOW. And a good Jam can just parry pot's pokes (mmm...alliteration) run in-combo-knockdown-powerup-Pot dies.

[Saiten-Genjo-Sanzo-Hosu]

The link leads to yousendit's site. Perhaps you should click somewhere on the page. Maybe where it says, in big letters, DOWNLOAD NOW. And a good Jam can just parry pot's pokes (mmm...alliteration) run in-combo-knockdown-powerup-Pot dies.

Potemkin will be up before the power up is done. and one power up wont help all that much

how will she be albe to counter? all she can do is dead angle--I'm not talking about random hits I'm talking about poking her every time she trys to get in, dash or attack.

So unless she has some type of counter move like baiken or some auto-gard, i dont see that happening.

also if jam's close enough, potemkin can get a free potemkin buster on wakeup.

[-VS-]

The link leads to yousendit's site. Perhaps you should click somewhere on the page. Maybe where it says, in big letters, DOWNLOAD NOW. And a good Jam can just parry pot's pokes (mmm...alliteration) run in-combo-knockdown-powerup-Pot dies.

Potemkin will be up before the power up is done. and one power up wont help all that much

how will she be albe to counter? all she can do is dead angle--I'm not talking about random hits I'm talking about poking her every time she trys to get in, dash or attack.

So unless she has some type of counter move like baiken or some auto-gard, i dont see that happening.

also if jam's close enough, potemkin can get a free potemkin buster on wakeup.


HELLO WAKE UP PLZ

JAM HAS A PARRY. You can't honestly tell me you didn't know that. Yeah. A parry. As soon as an attack hits (or slightly before, idk) you push forward, bam. Parry. There's a little green circle, a nifty sound effect and any Jam player in the room automatically has an orgasm at the sheer coolness of the parry. Jam can move, and therefore punish, much faster than normal.

[Saiten-Genjo-Sanzo-Hosu]

The link leads to yousendit's site. Perhaps you should click somewhere on the page. Maybe where it says, in big letters, DOWNLOAD NOW. And a good Jam can just parry pot's pokes (mmm...alliteration) run in-combo-knockdown-powerup-Pot dies.

Potemkin will be up before the power up is done. and one power up wont help all that much

how will she be albe to counter? all she can do is dead angle--I'm not talking about random hits I'm talking about poking her every time she trys to get in, dash or attack.

So unless she has some type of counter move like baiken or some auto-gard, i dont see that happening.

also if jam's close enough, potemkin can get a free potemkin buster on wakeup.


HELLO WAKE UP PLZ

JAM HAS A PARRY. You can't honestly tell me you didn't know that. Yeah. A parry. As soon as an attack hits (or slightly before, idk) you push forward, bam. Parry. There's a little green circle, a nifty sound effect and any Jam player in the room automatically has an orgasm at the sheer coolness of the parry. Jam can move, and therefore punish, much faster than normal.

Well I'm sorry that I'm that the GG lord. I dont know everything about the game. That move is not in her move list either.

Do you know how hard it is to parry? I doubt so one can do this back to back. Especially if both players are on the same skill level. Since I havent seen the parry, I dont know how Potemkin reacts to it. I'll have to get back to you on that.

Plus the Consequences for missing a parry are severe. If she misses that can be the turning point in the match.

[DrgnEclair]

dizzy owns pot, hard

[-VS-]

The link leads to yousendit's site. Perhaps you should click somewhere on the page. Maybe where it says, in big letters, DOWNLOAD NOW. And a good Jam can just parry pot's pokes (mmm...alliteration) run in-combo-knockdown-powerup-Pot dies.

Potemkin will be up before the power up is done. and one power up wont help all that much

how will she be albe to counter? all she can do is dead angle--I'm not talking about random hits I'm talking about poking her every time she trys to get in, dash or attack.

So unless she has some type of counter move like baiken or some auto-gard, i dont see that happening.

also if jam's close enough, potemkin can get a free potemkin buster on wakeup.


HELLO WAKE UP PLZ

JAM HAS A PARRY. You can't honestly tell me you didn't know that. Yeah. A parry. As soon as an attack hits (or slightly before, idk) you push forward, bam. Parry. There's a little green circle, a nifty sound effect and any Jam player in the room automatically has an orgasm at the sheer coolness of the parry. Jam can move, and therefore punish, much faster than normal.

Well I'm sorry that I'm that the GG lord. I dont know everything about the game. That move is not in her move list either.

Do you know how hard it is to parry? I doubt so one can do this back to back. Especially if both players are on the same skill level. Since I havent seen the parry, I dont know how Potemkin reacts to it. I'll have to get back to you on that.

Plus the Consequences for missing a parry are severe. If she misses that can be the turning point in the match.

It is in her move list. IIRC, it's the first one. The one that has a little backwards arrow, then a little forward arrow and says "catch" next to it. In other news, Venom is way cool. Discuss.

[Saiten-Genjo-Sanzo-Hosu]

!!! Oh heck nah! Jam got owned by slayer in that video while Potemkin beat him. Based on those players and their skill level, we can say by mathematical reasoning that Potemkin > slayer > jam

It's the next best thing to jam vs potemkin.

[Saiten-Genjo-Sanzo-Hosu]

dizzy owns pot, hard

no disagreement there! :P


In other news, Venom is way cool. Discuss.

yea, he's cool. what about him do you wanna talk about.

[-VS-]

In other news, Venom is way cool. Discuss.

yea, he's cool. what about him do you wanna talk about.

I wouldn't discuss Venom with you. How are you and I supposed to talk about the most complicated character in the game when you didn't even know Jam had a parry parry parry parry?

Where is SD when you need him?

[Saiten-Genjo-Sanzo-Hosu]

In other news, Venom is way cool. Discuss.

yea, he's cool. what about him do you wanna talk about.

I wouldn't discuss Venom with you. How are you and I supposed to talk about the most complicated character in the game when you didn't even know Jam had a parry parry parry parry?

Where is SD when you need him?

because I'm better than you at the deepest fighting game in the world; That's how. Knowledge is power--remember that. I'll know every nuk and cranny of GGXX soon enough.

[-VS-]

In other news, Venom is way cool. Discuss.

yea, he's cool. what about him do you wanna talk about.

I wouldn't discuss Venom with you. How are you and I supposed to talk about the most complicated character in the game when you didn't even know Jam had a parry parry parry parry?

Where is SD when you need him?

because I'm better than you at the deepest fighting game in the world; That's how. Knowledge is power--remember that. I'll know every nuk and cranny of GGXX soon enough.

You might know all the stuff soon enough but I know all of it already. You also spelled "nook" wrong.

[Saiten-Genjo-Sanzo-Hosu]

In other news, Venom is way cool. Discuss.

yea, he's cool. what about him do you wanna talk about.

I wouldn't discuss Venom with you. How are you and I supposed to talk about the most complicated character in the game when you didn't even know Jam had a parry parry parry parry?

Where is SD when you need him?

because I'm better than you at the deepest fighting game in the world; That's how. Knowledge is power--remember that. I'll know every nuk and cranny of GGXX soon enough.

You might know all the stuff soon enough but I know all of it already. You also spelled "nook" wrong.

Thank you grammar poliece. 8)

[-VS-]

It's "police" not "poliece"

kthxdie

[Shadow Draygon]

Honestly VS we'd have a better time trying to explain the mechanics of GG to a tree and have better sucess.

Saiten is still on his "he thinks he knows more about the game then use" rant.

And don't post the "I'M IS NOT SAYING THAT!?" well you are, the fact that you didn't know Jam had a parry AND it's in her move list doesn't help you much.

Also the fact that you didn't know Jam can get a free power up on anyone when she trips them.

Also the fact that you didn't even really watch that video VS posted, didn't you not see how a Jam player can be good? No, you were probably too busy watching the Pot fight and thinking since Jam lost to Slayer but Slayer lost to Pot, Jam must lose to Pot.

When are you going to come off that high horse and just admit you don't know much about that game, should be talking about strats for the game, and are an overall scrub about the game?

The day you do that you might actually start enjoying the game besides the fact of: "LOOKIE I PUSHD DA BUTON AND HE PUNCHD!!111"

[Saiten-Genjo-Sanzo-Hosu]

SD, your right about one thing, I wont be saying "I'M IS NOT SAYING THAT!?" because I get tired of repeating my self. If you dont realise that I trying to find out why Jam is stronger even though I think she isnt then theirs no hope for you.

I just saw the videos. Look at the post with teh big "!!!" in them.

[-VS-]

God, what I wouldn't give to play you.

[Saiten-Genjo-Sanzo-Hosu]

God, what I wouldn't give to play you.

Me too--because despite the fact that I dont know all the "tech lingo" I'm a very good player. I'm old school when it comes to fighting games so I dont even use super bars. Potemkin, I-no, and bridget are my best characters.

[Shadow Draygon]

I'm so old school I only use two button. :o :o :o :o :o

Don't use "Super Bars"? That's too good.

[Saiten-Genjo-Sanzo-Hosu]

heh, :)

oh yea, the "super bar" thing. In GG it would be the tenson bar. I usually dont do super moves.

[Xain Xodik]

...

Don't just sit haunches and debate SD and VS, get out there and find some real competition. Don't give me crap about not needing to, either. No one likes someone who is boastful.

shoryuken.com forums has a regional section. Find your region, and then look for a thread. Usually, threads are made for arcades, gatherings, the general scene of a region and/or state, or for a specific crew. Get out there, and play some people from these places.

also, visit and read sirlin.net. The "play to win" section, specifically. Read it with an open mind, and a grain of salt.

That's all I ask, arguing is pointless. Why should we have to educate you when you could just see it for yourself? You'll never know unless you experience it.

[Saiten-Genjo-Sanzo-Hosu]

...

Don't just sit haunches and debate SD and VS, get out there and find some real competition. Don't give me *** about not needing to, either. No one likes someone who is boastful.

shoryuken.com forums has a regional section. Find your region, and then look for a thread. Usually, threads are made for arcades, gatherings, the general scene of a region and/or state, or for a specific crew. Get out there, and play some people from these places.

also, visit and read sirlin.net. The "play to win" section, specifically. Read it with an open mind, and a grain of salt.

That's all I ask, arguing is pointless. Why should we have to educate you when you could just see it for yourself? You'll never know unless you experience it.

All I have to say is-- If I have to pay I'm not doing it. You think I'm going to go all the way to ATL every time I play GG? dont be stupid.

You dont have to do anything. If you dont like "educating" me then leave the damn thread.

[Xain Xodik]

that was meant more as a universal message. Its not aimed at just you, but also sd and vs, to stop bothering with this thread.

[Saiten-Genjo-Sanzo-Hosu]

They cant stay away. It's like a addiction. They love me, hate me, but they'll never forget me.

[Shadow Draygon]

I'll remember that the Sega forums has a couple of idiots on it, but I won't remember your name.

Hell, I can't even pronounce your name, why don't you stick on a couple of more sub-titles on it.

And remember people.....Internet: Serious Business.

[darkshadowDTG]

please someone just show him the tier listing so he can shut up

[Saiten-Genjo-Sanzo-Hosu]

I'll remember that the Sega forums has a couple of idiots on it, but I won't remember your name.

Hell, I can't even pronounce your name, why don't you stick on a couple of more sub-titles on it.

And remember people.....Internet: Serious Business.

I'm sorry you cant read. :cry:

But as the kids on TV say. Hooked on phonics works for me!

[Saiten-Genjo-Sanzo-Hosu]

please someone just show him the tier listing so he can shut up

Oh yes, the all mighty Tire list! And how will this "so he can shut up" me?

[Shadow Draygon]

I'll remember that the Sega forums has a couple of idiots on it, but I won't remember your name.

Hell, I can't even pronounce your name, why don't you stick on a couple of more sub-titles on it.

And remember people.....Internet: Serious Business.

I'm sorry you cant read. :cry:

But as the kids on TV say. Hooked on phonics works for me!

Yeah, and I could point out every spelling and grammar error in your posts but that would be a waste of my time.

[Saiten-Genjo-Sanzo-Hosu]

I'll remember that the Sega forums has a couple of idiots on it, but I won't remember your name.

Hell, I can't even pronounce your name, why don't you stick on a couple of more sub-titles on it.

And remember people.....Internet: Serious Business.

I'm sorry you cant read. :cry:

But as the kids on TV say. Hooked on phonics works for me!

Yeah, and I could point out every spelling and grammar error in your posts but that would be a waste of my time.

Yes, it is a waste of time, since spelling and pronunciation are two different things. As seen in my post, one does not have to have correct grammar to read. :wink:

[Xain Xodik]

my point also, saiten, was that until you do have experience, you have no room to speak.

You don't go to bi-weekly tournaments.
You don't put your money on the line.
You don't study the game and work on execution everyday.
You don't commit yourself to the competitive mindset.
You haven't been intensely involved in guilty gear competition for the past 2 years.

And since these are all things that I have done, and you have not, I think that should say something. When I speak about this game, you can believe what I say to be true, because I am the one dedicated to knowing these things inside and out, while you only pretend to.

Who would you ask advice to build your house... the carpenter, or the priest?

One would say "build it here, I have faith that it will stand"

The other would say "Do not build it here, for it will sink"

Who do you trust?

Now imagine... that you are the priest.

Do you see my dilemma?

[Saiten-Genjo-Sanzo-Hosu]

my point also, saiten, was that until you do have experience, you have no room to speak.

You don't go to bi-weekly tournaments.
You don't put your money on the line.
You don't study the game and work on execution everyday.
You don't commit yourself to the competitive mindset.
You haven't been intensely involved in guilty gear competition for the past 2 years.

And since these are all things that I have done, and you have not, I think that should say something. When I speak about this game, you can believe what I say to be true, because I am the one dedicated to knowing these things inside and out, while you only pretend to.

Who would you ask advice to build your house... the carpenter, or the priest?

One would say "build it here, I have faith that it will stand"

The other would say "Do not build it here, for it will sink"

Who do you trust?

Now imagine... that you are the priest.

Do you see my dilemma?

Oh since I dont play in tournaments my statment are not valid? That's stupid. You dont have to be a tournament player to have a opinion. becasue after all that's all this is, is opinionated statments.

In that case it's not who do I trust, it's what do I trust. If it's built on solid rock then it'll stand regardless.

Imagine i'm a priest?! This isnt church. We dont have any GGXX idols around here.

[Saiten-Genjo-Sanzo-Hosu]

You GG folk are strange. I dont think I've ever heard any group of gamers say that if your not an expert then your not allowed to form an opinion.

[taraction]

Yeah, I'm sick of staring at sprites for the second adventures of the Pwnageers, so here I am.

Anyway Saiten, you certain can form your opinion here. What Xain Xodik was referring to is the fact that you don't have any room to speak when you have no idea what you're talking about. For example, if we were discussing Sol strats and you suddenly chimed in with "Hay guys Dragon Install is totally great", we would all laugh because everyone knows that Dragon Install is a complete joke.

You're more than welcome to share your opinions, but they can be wrong. I know that SD and VS have been bashing you to death (I didn't read all 11 pages of it, but I'm pretty sure they're not nice about it), and they've been :):):):):) about it but what everyone is saying is true. We've all told you that Jam is top tier. Crimson Disaster gave you some really sound advice over at Dustloop (welcome, by the way) on why Jam should dominate Pot in any given match. You need to stop being so defensive, and take some of the advice to heart.

There is one thing you really need to do though, and that's go out and find good players to play. I can tell you're the type that won't believe something until you see it, and unless you stop playing your friends and find some real players to jam with, you'll never see or believe why Jam is top tier and why she'll always come out on top in a match with Pot. CD and Old Man Dan both gave you some good advice on Jam and Pot, but they only apply to high level play. Hell, any decent Guilty Gear player could go on about Jam's wicked throw setups, her safe and high priority pokes, her ridiculous mixups, her combos...but you won't get to understand any of it by browsing Sega forums and beating your friends. Go go out there and play some games with real players. Dustloop.com has a Match Finder section. Find someone in your area that'll beat the awesome into you. That's how we all learned.

[Saiten-Genjo-Sanzo-Hosu]

Mostly I agee with all of that, except for the part about me not knowing what I am talking about, so I wont bother to break every part of your post down.

All I will say is I havent given any advice through this whole thread. What I have given is my opinion on Potemkin vs Jam and combos for some charcters.

I'll check out dustloop.com and see what happens.

[taraction]

Well to be honest, despite how much of a :):):):) SD was, you came off pretty arrogant when you said that Pot owns Jam when everyone knows it's not true. We know that you don't have much experience in the game but you were sounding like you were totally awesome at the game or something. When someone put up the tier list, you shrugged it off. And no offense or anything, but you didn't even know that Jam had a parry. Your combos, although they are 'real', are so invalid it's not even funny.

Still, it's cool if you want to get into the game. We all sound like :):):):):) but we only put up an attitude with scrubs because no one likes scrubs. Believe me when I say that the Guilty Gear community is extremely friendly to newbies since we were all newbs at one point. Just be humble, don't ask annoying or common questions (check the gameplay FAQ at DL-we hate it when people ask stupid questions), and play a lot of people. You'll be kicking :):):) in no time.

And as a plus, when you become a good player you can totally be a :):):):) to other beginners. Us Guilty Gear players get off on that. :D

[Saiten-Genjo-Sanzo-Hosu]

Well to be honest, despite how much of a :):):):) SD was, you came off pretty arrogant when you said that Pot owns Jam when everyone knows it's not true. We know that you don't have much experience in the game but you were sounding like you were totally awesome at the game or something. When someone put up the tier list, you shrugged it off. And no offense or anything, but you didn't even know that Jam had a parry. Your combos, although they are 'real', are so invalid it's not even funny.

I really dont care if it sounded arrogant or not because I said from the very get go that this was based on my experience with the game. Also, how can I "sound" like I'm totally awesome when I kept repeating that I'm not an expert.

He knows it's an opinion. You know it's an opinion. Why agrue? None of this would have happened if he would just not quoted me or said something like I disagree with your opinion.


Still, it's cool if you want to get into the game. We all sound like :):):):):) but we only put up an attitude with scrubs because no one likes scrubs. Believe me when I say that the Guilty Gear community is extremely friendly to newbies since we were all newbs at one point. Just be humble, don't ask annoying or common questions (check the gameplay FAQ at DL-we hate it when people ask stupid questions), and play a lot of people. You'll be kicking *** in no time.

I dont play favorites so I dont like anybody. And what you an other GG fanatics may think is a "stupid" question is not so stupid to the person that's asking it. GG's fan base will stay really small if the users act like that.

All people have to do is post a link to the FAQ, but no, what do they do? They say sh#t to p1ss me off.


And as a plus, when you become a good player you can totally be a :):):):) to other beginners. Us Guilty Gear players get off on that. :D

I wouldnt do that to beginners. That same beginner could turn out to be a better player then I'll ever be. Plus, it makes you should like your a geek and have no life.

I mean who cares how many frc's anji has? That's like me Telling you how many moves Tenchi'in yo can evade in VF4evol. Nobody really cares-- an being a little biznitch about it really doesnt help.

[taraction]

you started sounding like you knew what you were talking about when sd told you that jam is top tier and you disagreed, even though the tier list has been around since april. and despite how he gave you good reasons on why jam is good, you kept disagreeing. if you had good reasons to launch a debate about gameplay, then it'll be fine and dandy. but all you could say was 'no, i don't believe that.' given your lack of experience, that's incredibly ignorant. people were simply pointing that out, but you started getting all defensive and everyone started thought it was funny and blah blah blah blah...

as for the stupid questions, they ARE pretty stupid. if you really like the game (and all 'into it', as you've said), you could've taken some time to look up what gg slash is and read up on gameplay basics. asking for advice on how to overcome baiken's bad matchups or something are perfectly fine, but you asked old man dan in the pot thread what 'gatling' was, even though it's IN THE MANUAL. not even willing to do a little research beforehand shows us that you don't want to put any effort into the game, and so we won't put any effort in helping you.

and seriously, being a :):):):) is part of the fun. i trash talk high level players all the time. if you'd stop being so serious and defensive, guilty gear would be a lot more fun for you.

and as for your example-it's actually very important. if i'm fighting against anji and he does move x, then i can act accordingly based on my knowledge (e.g. it's safe to punish because he can't frc it). also it opens up your options if you play anji (i.e. playing mindgames with the fact that you may or may not frc the move, or simply knowing that you can escape punishment by frc-ing it). it makes us sound like geeks, sure, but we want to lose because we got outplayed, not because 'i totally didn't know you could do that!'

[Saiten-Genjo-Sanzo-Hosu]

you started sounding like you knew what you were talking about when sd told you that jam is top tier and you disagreed, even though the tier list has been around since april. and despite how he gave you good reasons on why jam is good, you kept disagreeing. if you had good reasons to launch a debate about gameplay, then it'll be fine and dandy. but all you could say was 'no, i don't believe that.' given your lack of experience, that's incredibly ignorant. people were simply pointing that out, but you started getting all defensive and everyone started thought it was funny and blah blah blah blah...

In some respects I do know what I am talking about. I know some things about the game. I'm not a rookie, but I'm not a expert either-- It took forever for SD to give me the reasons. By that time I was ill so... it didnt do that much good.

I thought I said something more on the lines of "I dont care about the tier list" but I could be wrong. Which is true because I really dont care about it some list of players doesnt affect me in any way. I wanted reasons why jam was better not a list =/


as for the stupid questions, they ARE pretty stupid. if you really like the game (and all 'into it', as you've said), you could've taken some time to look up what gg slash is and read up on gameplay basics. asking for advice on how to overcome baiken's bad matchups or something are perfectly fine, but you asked old man dan in the pot thread what 'gatling' was, even though it's IN THE MANUAL. not even willing to do a little research beforehand shows us that you don't want to put any effort into the game, and so we won't put any effort in helping you.

Just cuz I like the game dont mean I'm going to spend 3 days looking at every thing in a forum. See this is what I'm talking about. If somebody asked me how to do something on VF4evol I would tell them. And for multiple people; there's always copy and past or even better you can link them. It's so easy, I mean really.


and seriously, being a :):):):) is part of the fun. i trash talk high level players all the time. if you'd stop being so serious and defensive, guilty gear would be a lot more fun for you.

GG, the game, is fun but when I talk to GG's fans it makes me like the game less. Trash talk has it limit. Especially considering GG's fans dont know me very well.


and as for your example-it's actually very important. if i'm fighting against anji and he does move x, then i can act accordingly based on my knowledge (e.g. it's safe to punish because he can't frc it). also it opens up your options if you play anji (i.e. playing mindgames with the fact that you may or may not frc the move, or simply knowing that you can escape punishment by frc-ing it). it makes us sound like geeks, sure, but we want to lose because we got outplayed, not because 'i totally didn't know you could do that!'

your right, it is important in some respects; but you have to remember that the general pulbic does not care.

what would I sound like if I said "YOu can do a guarding multiple evading throw escape” but didn’t tell you how to do it and instead told you to go read the FAQ? Not only did it waste time and you still don’t even know what it is; you might loose interest.

[Xain Xodik]

er, i don't personally believe in trash talking people I don't know, only people i know in real life.

And the problem with your statements against me, saiten, is that it is belief when you don't know why the carpenter thinks it will sink. I never said it had to do with there being a good foundation, I only said he thinks it will sink, you added that bit of info.

What if, what he said had nothing to do with the foundation, but something to do with the local climate and soil conditions, and that given your materials, and the fact that the foundation was too far below, he would just say to you "well, it will sink".

Like when you say it's just our opinion. It's just the carpenters opinion as well, isn't it?

And you represent the priest, who only wishes well, but does not have explanation for his belief. You do not explain to others why you believe it will be fine, because you have no explanation.

The difference in their opinions (the carpenter and the priest) is called reality. The carpenter knows, with certainty, that the house will sink if built. The priest's certainty is built upon his faith.

So, you being the priest... you tell us, the carpenters, that we are wrong. That your faith in that spot, where the man will build his house, is perfectly fine.

And you would have him build it to his own oblivion.

[Saiten-Genjo-Sanzo-Hosu]

And the problem with your statements against me, saiten, is that it is belief when you don't know why the carpenter thinks it will sink. I never said it had to do with there being a good foundation, I only said he thinks it will sink, you added that bit of info.

that's what asking is for

What if, what he said had nothing to do with the foundation, but something to do with the local climate and soil conditions, and that given your materials, and the fact that the foundation was too far below, he would just say to you "well, it will sink".

what if this is a Post Hoc Ergo Propter Hoc?


Like when you say it's just our opinion. It's just the carpenters opinion as well, isn't it?

No. A carpenter wouldnt give a opinion on such an important matter. If he didnt know facts then he wouldnt be a carpenter (or he'd be a bad one)

And you represent the priest, who only wishes well, but does not have explanation for his belief. You do not explain to others why you believe it will be fine, because you have no explanation.

I dont represent the priest becasue I gave reasons why I thought what I did.

The difference in their opinions (the carpenter and the priest) is called reality. The carpenter knows, with certainty, that the house will sink if built. The priest's certainty is built upon his faith.

if you know something it is most likely a fact. Opinion and facts are different.

So, you being the priest... you tell us, the carpenters, that we are wrong. That your faith in that spot, where the man will build his house, is perfectly fine.

your not a carpenter and I'm not a priest. please dont try to use juxtapositions on me. They almost always end in fallacy

And you would have him build it to his own oblivion.

Then he dies--in which case isnt all that bad because THIS IS A VIDEO GAME. There's a little button called "reset" you sould try pushing it sometime. If my advice doesnt work for somebody then they can always get more advice from somebody else. What works for me might not work for you. That's why you take advice with a grain of salt. (or however you say the saying)

[taraction]

i guess it's just a texas thing where we trash talk everyone, even though it's in jest. oh well. god bless texas.

the things in the gameplay faq thread are questions we've been asked over and over again for the past 3 years, and it gets annoying as hell. you would honestly tell me that you'd tirelessly answer all the trivial vf4 questions thrown your way when there's a faq on the same forum that could easily answer 98% of them? besides, i still find it hard to believe that you wouldn't just look up a little bit of info even though you like the game, especially the fact that there's a sequel. still, whatever. i'm sure you have the basics down by now, and if not just ask. some nice people will help (i think there are nice people on dustloop anyway, somewhere).

and yeah, the general public might not care, but a guilty gear player of any level should. you ask a question on a board where the majority of them are top level players, so of course they'll give you a pro answer and not bother to explain things like tick throw or instant block. just as how if i were to go on a pro vf4 board and asked for help on throw escapes: i sure as hell better be ready to understand the answers.

but enough talk. go out and play someone good. get into the game a bit more. understand the tier list. then we'll be more than happy to discuss the finer points of jam's throw-frc-waowao aerial panty rave.

[DrgnEclair]

everyone is god tier in theory-fighter

[taraction]

You guys are here too? Damn, get PWF and rtl42 in here and we'll summon Captain Pwnage.

[DrgnEclair]

actually i'm gonna take a try at why jam is better

the arcadia 'official' (and widely accepted) tier list is based on relative rankings vs the rest of the caste, so if a char does better vs the others as a whole, then they rank higher. this all takes into account the versatility, strategies, and strengths of that char.

taking pot and jam specifically, starting with pot. pot's got decently strong combos with little work, which other certain chars have as well. lack of dash can be made up with hammerfall breaks, but its use is limited. jump ins are a huge bad idea since for the most part, they can be defeated by almost all anti airs (dizzy's f+p anti air is super crappy, but it beats pot's jump ins). pot's field wakeup game is also pretty crappy. sure there are tricks and gimmicks that may let you sneak in a pot buster, but in the end it's luck that gets the hit. his corner wakeup is a bit scarier, since he's got throw type moves that, if they connect, can lead to big hurt - so need to carefull. on a side note, heat knuckle and heavenly pot buster aren't true throws, they are unblockable hits. if you need hard evidence, have dizzy throw out a fish and guide it upwards, and then have pot heavenly it... the fish dies =(. as far as i've seen, pot's main game is to sit back and let them come to you, because he can't do much else besides poke. with that said, his pokes are risky and dangerous to use - unless used approriately. but that's difficult to judge against more versatile characters, and may end up killing pot. his defense, although strong, just means the other dude needs to do another 1-2 combos to kill him. when pot gains momentum (initiative), he can only last for a very short time unless the attack connects. otherwise he doesn't have enough options to safely attack. putting it all together means that pot has a rough time doing much of anything besides defensive maneuvers. .. as much as i hate to say, zig is a decent pot player, and does well at tournaments - but i still :):):):) him cause i'm the better player. i can beat him with my second string characters (which include may, eddie, and jam). whereas i'm primarily a dizzy player

jam's turn.. she has 2 major aspects: the damage, and her pressure game. if you've ever been caught in her 1-frame rush, it's probably one of the most scariest things inthe world. you can't do anything safely (even pot buster) cause it's too unpredictable as to what jam is going to do next. to describe the 1-frame rush, it uses only her fastest moves at point blank range, but these moves give her enough frame advantage to dash in again in 1-frame, and then attack again, while she still has advantage. obviously this is really hard to do, and only top/strong players can do them. k that's enough for that, next up are her charges. once she sweeps you and special cancels into a charge, you can NOT punish her for it, it's a free charge for sweeping you. all charge attacks do increased damage and hits, as well as being untechable - so after getting hit from it, you can't recover .. ever (minus a burst). like most characters jam needs tension to do her most impressive (damaging) combos (this includes pot). that said, her throw frc combos are really strong - especially coupled with the charged kicks. certain combos can lead upwards to 250+ damage with 25% tension (translates to: huge hurt for cheap). these damages also apply to pot, although he may take less, there's still alot of red that's gonna be draining.

jam has alot of variety and priority in her choices of moves. there are many cases where it's fairly unsafe to try to punish her during her rush-in. for example, when she instant air dashes (low air dash) in and does a flaming kick, there are very few characters that can punish her with an anti-air without getting hit (you can resort to air-throw, but only higher level players can do that well). when she knocks you down, and instead of charging, she starts her pressure game (not necessarily the 1-frame rush, either), she has her choice of safe attacks that can lead to relatively long rushes. and even though she's right next to you, well, it's because she's right next to you that you can't punish her for being so close, especially with pot's relatively slow moves. also, she has probably the best tick-throw in the game - which adds to her attack options. (tick throw: where you attackattackattackthrow) cause her standing (neutral) kick is fast, has decent frame advantage, low, and she's standing.. there are alot of technicalities to that, but you'll hafta believe me when i say it's really nice. i'm pretty sure that it's safe to say that there's noone in the game that can beat it with normal moves. now, you may think that with all those crap coming from her, you can just pot buster her? well it's very possible, and on occasion it will connect, this cannot be denied. on the other hand, it's not unrealistic to say that you'll mistime the motion or attack, and get hit. there are trade offs that one needs to take, and even with pot's strength, he can still take huge damages that don't warrant risks. this especially applies if your guard bar is up. remember that if you've been blocking for a while, your guard bar rises. and the higher your guard bar is, in general, the more damage you will take with a combo (there are technicalities with it, but it's outside the scope of this explanation). so with jam's high damage potential and overall strength in whatever she decides to do, it's a pretty rough time for pot. the only true issue with her is the range. she must first get in in order to do anything significant. but one thing to note is that you can't just let her stand out there, cause she can get free charges in... and that's definately bad. now, with range being an issue, you may believe that you can do everything you can in order to prevent her from getting in. but unless you're psychic, you won't be able to predict everything. and the flow of the fight can always go one way or the other. this is what high level players fight for, and it's a hard fight indeed..

[DrgnEclair]

holy crap that's huge

i bet my highschool essays weren't that long

[Saiten-Genjo-Sanzo-Hosu]

the things in the gameplay faq thread are questions we've been asked over and over again for the past 3 years, and it gets annoying as hell. you would honestly tell me that you'd tirelessly answer all the trivial vf4 questions thrown your way when there's a faq on the same forum that could easily answer 98% of them? besides, i still find it hard to believe that you wouldn't just look up a little bit of info even though you like the game, especially the fact that there's a sequel. still, whatever. i'm sure you have the basics down by now, and if not just ask. some nice people will help (i think there are nice people on dustloop anyway, somewhere).


In that case, if it's on the same board, you could copy and paste or post a link. THat doesnt take much effort. I thought the sequel was going to be 3X. GGXX/ could have been anything. Ya'll tend to use a lot of Acronyms.


and yeah, the general public might not care, but a guilty gear player of any level should. you ask a question on a board where the majority of them are top level players, so of course they'll give you a pro answer and not bother to explain things like tick throw or instant block. just as how if i were to go on a pro vf4 board and asked for help on throw escapes: i sure as hell better be ready to understand the answers.

Yea that's true, but that still isnt a reason to get mad at people for not knowing the terminology.

[Saiten-Genjo-Sanzo-Hosu]

Ok, thank you for the explanation, DrgnEclair. Now I can clearly see what advanages she has Over potemkin.

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That being said, I'd take on a jam player anyday with Potemkin (he's my best character.)

[-VS-]

operator get me beijing-jing-jing-jing

[Shadow Draygon]

operator get me beijing-jing-jing-jing
It grows in bunches
I've got my hunches
Its the best
beats the rest
cellular modular
interactivodular

[-VS-]

Banana phone.



*FORREST INSTALL*



None of you can comprehend the forrest. Except SD, drgn, taraction, and any other peeps who knows what it is.

[Xain Xodik]

the way of the forrest... is to be kept secret, young one.

[-VS-]

Worry not. It will be kept secret.


Do I know you?

[Saiten-Genjo-Sanzo-Hosu]

What the hell are ya'll talking about?

[Esrb_18]

i don't care what any of ya"ll say, potemkin owns jam, but Venom Rules all

[-VS-]

What the hell are ya'll talking about?

NO FORREST FOR YOU

[Saiten-Genjo-Sanzo-Hosu]

What the hell are ya'll talking about?

NO FORREST FOR YOU

I dont care, but if your gonna spam then at least make it funny.

[Shadow Draygon]

It is funny you just don't get it.

[taraction]

No one escapes from the Forrest.

Also VS you might know Xain Xodik better as teh blitz.

[-VS-]

No one escapes from the Forrest.

Also VS you might know Xain Xodik better as teh blitz.


Oh snap.

[Saiten-Genjo-Sanzo-Hosu]

Anyway back on topic, so far, the only characters that have endless combos that I know of are: Jam (on potemkin), zappa (with dog), and sol's dust loop. (sol is the only person that can do that right?)

Is their anybody else?

[Shadow Draygon]

Sol's Dust Loop isn't endless, and no, no one else has one.

[Saiten-Genjo-Sanzo-Hosu]

Sol's Dust Loop isn't endless, and no, no one else has one.

Then why is it called dust loop? That's kinda stupid.

[taraction]

Yeah, loops aren't infinites because they can't go on forever (usually because of pushback). In terms of true infinites, there's only Zappa's dog infinite and Jam's silly IAD infinite on Pot.

Loops are pretty abundant though. Sol and Baiken have dust loops, and Slayer's got his infamous bite loop. Then there's Axl's Axl Bomber loop, Ky's Vapor Thrust loop, Testament's Gravedigger loop, Venom's Carcass Raid loop, and Zappa's Raoh Last Edguy loop. Might be some others out there but these are the ones that I remember at the moment.

[-VS-]

Venom has the Stinger Aim loop and the very character specific Mad struggle loop. Testament has the EXE beast loop and the really cool and stupidly sexy but not too useful Hitomi loop.

[darkshadowDTG]

ah crap i fogot about this page i bookmarked
http://godweapon.net/comboVids/dspVideoList.php?id=8&order=oldest&perpage=12

check out the GGXXR one as its the only one with almost all of them and its not in training mode

[DrgnEclair]

bubble loop

xx has taken precautions to (try to) avoid true infinites. and even if one was found, it's impractical to use them to kill, cause it would just take too long.

[Kirby]

Ah, yes...The Forrest. That mystical, winding place with traps and pitfalls aplenty. Have none escaped?


I hear a meowing....oh, wait, that's just the cat outta the bag. :)

By the way, could someone tell what aerial moves Ky can jump-cancel out of? I have a few ideas I haven't had the chance to try, and it would save me some time.

[Saiten-Genjo-Sanzo-Hosu]

Holy crap! Who post the downloads of all the tournament matches?

Anyway, Potemkin whipped up on Eddie, Jam, Millia. He Got beat by Dizzy though. (cuz of projectiles)

I-no's really good too. THe few that used her dominated.

I cant wait to see her fight in slash. After her dash, she can double jump and air dash. That's pimp. Man, she's going to be so hard to beat. Just imagine how low she'll be able to air dash from the ground. :shock: Crouching blockers beware.

[Shadow Draygon]

If you jump and push HS you can air grab her out of her dash just about every time. 8)

[Saiten-Genjo-Sanzo-Hosu]

If you jump and push HS you can air grab her out of her dash just about every time. 8)

Not if she hits you first!

[Saiten-Genjo-Sanzo-Hosu]

After much deliberation, I have decided that My two main characters that I use are going to be I-no and Potemkin. I'm already good with Potemkin and I'm decent with I-no. I love I-no ground and air dust attack. They work really well.

[Shadow Draygon]

If you jump and push HS you can air grab her out of her dash just about every time. 8)

Not if she hits you first!

You can do this trick where you slide your finger across the HS and S buttons to where you'll grab them if it hits and if not you'll be pushing S so you'll go back into FD.

[-VS-]

If you jump and push HS you can air grab her out of her dash just about every time. 8)

Not if she hits you first!

You can do this trick where you slide your finger across the HS and S buttons to where you'll grab them if it hits and if not you'll be pushing S so you'll go back into FD.

Option select ftw.

[Saiten-Genjo-Sanzo-Hosu]

If you jump and push HS you can air grab her out of her dash just about every time. 8)

Not if she hits you first!

You can do this trick where you slide your finger across the HS and S buttons to where you'll grab them if it hits and if not you'll be pushing S so you'll go back into FD.

That's cool, but did you miss the part about her hitting you first. If you do something like that it'll turn into a counter. That's a litte risky dont you think?

[Shadow Draygon]

Apparently you forgot about the part where I said if it fails you'll be blocking, so when I-no attacks I'll be blocking.

[Saiten-Genjo-Sanzo-Hosu]

Apparently you forgot about the part where I said if it fails you'll be blocking, so when I-no attacks I'll be blocking.
Ah ok. THat's a good idea, but you didnt say anything about blocking. :wink:

[Shadow Draygon]

Pushing two buttons goes into FD....Faultless Defence. The green sheild.

[Saiten-Genjo-Sanzo-Hosu]

Pushing two buttons goes into FD....Faultless Defence. The green sheild.

oh. It could have ment forward dash or dust as well. stupid acronyms. :x

[taraction]

I-no's a good character, but most people have trouble playing her on pad. If you don't have Titanfingers, I suggest getting an arcade stick to help your combo execution.

I'll miss option selects when Slash comes out. And dust loops. Excuse me I have something in my eye.

[Saiten-Genjo-Sanzo-Hosu]

what system is slash comming to? What is option select? Will option select and dust loops not be there anymore?

I can game for hours and hours and not get sore fingers. It's all about technique. :wink: Yea, I've been thinking about getting a arcade controller. The only thing is... I suck a arcade games. It'll take me a while to get used to the pad.

[taraction]

No idea what console Slash is coming to. Probably the PS2 since someone whispered rumors of Japanese console release in January, but who knows.

Option select is as SD mentioned, where you do a throw attempt by pressing 4HS then immediately another attack button (not Dust, since that'll make you burst). The system will see if your throw attempt is successful and if it isn't, your HS will be immediately cancelled into faultless defense, keeping your character safe. Most air throws and wake-up throws are option selected since you can't be punished if you whiff your throw. Option select was removed in Slash, as well as Sol's dust loop. You can still do Baiken's dust loop though since it usually requires some meter.

As for the Titanfingers thing, I didn't mean that if your fingers get tired. I just mean that I-no is usually very hard to play on pad because of her moves. Doing a Tiger Knee Chemical Love FRC into air combo is damn near impossible for most pad players. Not a problem since a lot of "pro" Guilty Gear players use an arcade stick anyway, but just a heads up if you want to get good with I-no. Of course, if you have no problem with doing her combos on pad, by all means kick some :):):) with her. She can be a very fun character to play.

[Saiten-Genjo-Sanzo-Hosu]

I dont like sol so the loss of his dust loop doesnt bother me at all. I'm glad the developers decided to get rid of option select. It was probably a glitch to begin with and the use of it sounds like cheating to me. It makes it where you get a free grab on your opponent--and with the right character that could turn into some major damage.

Yea, since it's most likely comming to PS2 I'll mostly likely get a arcade controller.

I havent even started to try and learn the FRC combos yet, so I have no idea how hard or easy it'd be.

[Kirby]

Never mind, I got a chance to play it - Ky can't jump cancel anything!
FRCs are a pain in the :):):) to get the hang of - I actually find that they're easier to pull out when under pressure in a fight, rather than in training. They're worth it though.
A fairly easy one to start out with is I-No's 236HS move - if it whiffs, you can FRC right at the end and get your guard up. Also try FRCing 41236HS.

My favourite FRC I've come across - 41236P with EX Jam. :)

[johnny_07]

Do you all mean GGXX:Slash???? It's on ARCADE system, and it has a special character that none of the other GG has: ORDER SOL-in the uniform of the HOLLY KNIGHTS, which KY is the leader. ORDER SOL seems like a ROBO-SOL, cuz his voice is like a mechanical voice, and he has some completely different moves with the orignal SOL, and some animation changes too.

[Kirby]

Nah, he's no robot. He does, however, seem a hell of a lot more agressive.

[taraction]

Well option select isn't really cheating. It's just a means for characters to throw safely. It's damn near essential for I-no players since throws play heavily in her game. It doesn't mean that you get to land throws more. It simply not gets you punished for whiffing a throw.

As for the Chemical Love combo, just try to Tiger Knee it without the FRC. That alone is pretty hard to do. FRC-ing it and tacking on an air combo is just filler after you land it.

And Kirby, I don't know what Ky you've been playing with since he can jump cancel his 5P, 5K, 5S(c), 6HS, 2D, j.P, and j.S. He can also jump cancel his 2HS in Slash, making it extra nifty.

[Xain Xodik]

wow, still going eh?

I-no is tough to use, and her movement is extremely limited. Like johnny and Slayer, she has nothing that can give her any sort of momentum. She's pretty stationary. She's also pretty low, tier-wise. All her mixups are just out of the "instant" range, which means if someone really works at it, they can block her entire high/low game on reaction. However, low airdash mixup is just inside "instant" range, but she can't apply it effectively (this problem is shared with ky, testament, may, chipp, zappa, and potemkin).

She also has no cross-up to speak of, meaning she relies totally on hit vs. throw and a slow high/low mixup.

Once she hits, she deals damage. That's good news. She can kill anyone from full bar with enough tension and a bit of built up guard gauge (doesn't have to be much, just a few blocked hits).

Her pokes are pretty dismal, so she relies on the note to take care of an angle or give her room to dash (her j.K is GOD). Her tick throws are unbelievable, so that's where most of her actual mixup game comes from.

Her high/low is basically a "find the transition" game.

dash, j.K, land, 2K
dash, j.K-j.D, land, 2K
dash, j.K-j.D -> chemical love -> FRC, land, 2K
dash, j.K-j.D -> chemical love -> FRC, j.D, land, 2K
dash, j.K-j.D -> chemical love -> FRC, j.D -> 236K/P...

and so on. Doesn't have to be in that order, just goes to show how it builds on the previous.

[Saiten-Genjo-Sanzo-Hosu]

Well option select isn't really cheating. It's just a means for characters to throw safely. It's damn near essential for I-no players since throws play heavily in her game. It doesn't mean that you get to land throws more. It simply not gets you punished for whiffing a throw.

exactly it makes you block if the throw doesnt work. It's cheating if you ask me cuz you excape from throws by pressing the throw button too-- so the enemy cant throw you; plus they cant hit you because of FD.

[Saiten-Genjo-Sanzo-Hosu]

I-no is tough to use, and her movement is extremely limited. Like johnny and Slayer, she has nothing that can give her any sort of momentum. She's pretty stationary. She's also pretty low, tier-wise. All her mixups are just out of the "instant" range, which means if someone really works at it, they can block her entire high/low game on reaction. However, low airdash mixup is just inside "instant" range, but she can't apply it effectively (this problem is shared with ky, testament, may, chipp, zappa, and potemkin).

She also has no cross-up to speak of, meaning she relies totally on hit vs. throw and a slow high/low mixup.

Her high/low is basically a "find the transition" game.

and so on. Doesn't have to be in that order, just goes to show how it builds on the previous.

I disagree with her movement being limited. I think I'm better with I-no than I am with Potemkin--and I consider him to be my best character. Of course I dont play at some super high level so all I have to do is better a better player than my opponent. Anyway, I like her how she is. I dont have many problems killing folks with her. :o I'm glad she's low on the list too, because that means developers will only make her better. Where do ya'll get these list from? Man, almost all the matches I seen, I-no dominated.

[taraction]

that's not how you escape throws in guilty gear, but okay. i don't see how it's cheating. i mean basically you just have to be careful and stay out of throw range when you play.

also blitz get grolin on this board too. we'll have fun times.

[Saiten-Genjo-Sanzo-Hosu]

that's not how you escape throws in guilty gear, but okay. i don't see how it's cheating. i mean basically you just have to be careful and stay out of throw range when you play.

also blitz get grolin on this board too. we'll have fun times.

well that's how I escape throws (or tech or what ever name it has for it) . :?

[taraction]

i hope we're talking about the same thing here. what i mean is that if you're in throw range and you do a normal throw (not command throws), there is NOTHING your opponent can do to get out of it (unless they do a move with throw invincibility). you can of course recover out of it after the appropriate hitstun (e.g. you can recover after pot flings you over his head) but you can't tech the throw itself after the grab. option select just keeps you safe when you try to throw but not in throw range. it's a great technique where you don't have to be punished for trying to throw, and since i-no depends on landing throws as part of her mix-up game (and controlling the air) it's a technique you should get down, otherwise you'll get punished hard for every whiffed throw attempt.

[DrgnEclair]

if you don't believe in the fdc throw option select and refuse to use it, you are a scrub. it may not be what was intended, but it's there and it's used. same could be said for roll cancelling in cvs2, and skiing in tribes. it doesn't matter whether you like it or not, it's a part of the game and it's not designated as game breaking.

whatever it takes.

[Saiten-Genjo-Sanzo-Hosu]

if you don't believe in the fdc throw option select and refuse to use it, you are a scrub. it may not be what was intended, but it's there and it's used. same could be said for roll cancelling in cvs2, and skiing in tribes. it doesn't matter whether you like it or not, it's a part of the game and it's not designated as game breaking.

whatever it takes.

No I believe that makes YOU a scrub for using it. I dont have to cheat to win; nor do I want to. Dont you think the developers took it out for a reason?

[DrgnEclair]

doesn't make a difference to me, i'll stay best in seattle/washington.

[Shadow Draygon]

Throws are cheap.

[taraction]

That's right kids. Cheaters never win. Champions do. :wink:

Oh well. Good luck on your I-no game Saiten. Next thing you'll tell me that you won't do jump installs either because that's cheating, and I'd like to see how awesome of an I-no player you can be without jump installs to augment your air combos or option selects to land your throws safely.

[Saiten-Genjo-Sanzo-Hosu]

That's right kids. Cheaters never win. Champions do. :wink:

Oh well. Good luck on your I-no game Saiten. Next thing you'll tell me that you won't do jump installs either because that's cheating, and I'd like to see how awesome of an I-no player you can be without jump installs to augment your air combos or option selects to land your throws safely.

I guess you could say Technically it is cheating because your fooling the program into jumping when you really didn’t; but Jump installs are different even though I rarely do them. I'm pretty good with I-no--good enough to beat the computer on Maniac. And really that's all that matters. I'm not trying to be some champion of GG I just want to play the game and beat it.

I dont have a problem throwing people because if you press B ( in #R) it'll do f.HS if the throw doesnt work.

[DrgnEclair]

when one decides to follow through, and play on a non-casual competition level. then, depending if they've awakened from scrub-hood, they'll realize that the restrictions they placed upon themselves is pretty ridiculous. this is how serious players see it, looking on from the outside

.. of course if you wanna stay a casual player, that's fine too - no shortage of those ppl around

[DrgnEclair]

oh, i also want to add this..

using infinites is a form of cheating

[Xain Xodik]

I use infinites to run the clock. What's your excuse?

haha


anyway, this FD option select thing?

saiten: FD is blocking, yeah? that means you will be blocking something, yeah?


That move you block could easily be a mixup if they anticipate. Block is not something that owns everything, ya know :P

safer =/= invincible They could see the FD, and try throwing you right back after getting in throw range too. And, because it's an option which is equally available to both players, there is no saying "it is cheating" since both players can and are even expected to use it. If you don't, that's your decision.

[darkshadowDTG]

Throws are cheap.

sorry SD but i gotta disagree with ya here, i use anything in my :):):):)nal(in game that is) and if i gotta use a trow or a super itll be in there somewhere. dont get me wrong i love the RC nad FRC's but if i cant hit it in time then ill cancel out into one of my super/throw combos. like i said, anything in my :):):):)nal.

[Saiten-Genjo-Sanzo-Hosu]

when one decides to follow through, and play on a non-casual competition level. then, depending if they've awakened from scrub-hood, they'll realize that the restrictions they placed upon themselves is pretty ridiculous. this is how serious players see it, looking on from the outside

.. of course if you wanna stay a casual player, that's fine too - no shortage of those ppl around

Actually playing with restrictions makes you better not worse Especially if you can beat people who use everything; but whatever floats your boat.

Dont you ever call me a casual gamer again. Casual gamers play FPS's and sports games, none of which I play.

[Saiten-Genjo-Sanzo-Hosu]

I use infinites to run the clock. What's your excuse?

haha


anyway, this FD option select thing?

saiten: FD is blocking, yeah? that means you will be blocking something, yeah?


That move you block could easily be a mixup if they anticipate. Block is not something that owns everything, ya know :P

safer =/= invincible They could see the FD, and try throwing you right back after getting in throw range too. And, because it's an option which is equally available to both players, there is no saying "it is cheating" since both players can and are even expected to use it. If you don't, that's your decision.

Yea if you can read people's minds. Option block is Indistinguishable from FD. So there's no possible way to tell when someone is about to do it.

[darkshadowDTG]

ok ive been thinking about how to say this question and here goes. to all non from the sega boards, did you actually play another person with these combos and attacks or where you just playing against the beginner level comp?

[DrgnEclair]

not a casual fighting game player, eh. well then, i expect to see you at evolution 06 (info will be on http://www.shoryuken.com). give me your name, and i'll find you.

also, it's kind of hard not to when you specifically said that all you care about is beating the game .. that is still classified as casual gaming

[Saiten-Genjo-Sanzo-Hosu]

ok ive been thinking about how to say this question and here goes. to all non from the sega boards, did you actually play another person with these combos and attacks or where you just playing against the beginner level comp?

WHy dont you try them? You'll see how good or bad they work.

[Saiten-Genjo-Sanzo-Hosu]

not a casual fighting game player, eh. well then, i expect to see you at evolution 06 (info will be on http://www.shoryuken.com). give me your name, and i'll find you.

also, it's kind of hard not to when you specifically said that all you care about is beating the game .. that is still classified as casual gaming

I'm not a casual gamer period. I like GG but I dont like it enough to be the best at it. I'm not going to pay to play a video game I already have.

Oh and I guess hardcore gammers dont beat the games they play? :roll:
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On a side note, if you want to know my skill level--I have beat 70 missions in #R.

[DrgnEclair]

there are different levels of competitive play. i (among many others), take it on the national level and travel to play. probably next level down is the regional/local level, for local tournaments. then the non-tournament level, which just means playing with friends and such. and then there's playing by your lonesome. you only fall on at most the 2nd level of competition, since you refuse to pay to play. on a related note, i've made over $600+ in xx tournaments, if that's indication on how experienced/good/credible i am - and seattle is well known for its gaming rings.

'hardcore' is too generic a word to even consider (same with casual), really, but we've all beaten the game .. most of us anyways, can't say for sure. and the consideration of casual and hardcore is all relative. as i've said, in our eyes you are only casual - especially considering the arguements you've provided.

[Saiten-Genjo-Sanzo-Hosu]

That's good for you. If I traveled and played it would cost me more than I make even if I win. Besides I'm going to college. I dont have time to go all over the country to play a video game. Hopefully one day I'll be making GG. (indirectly, I plan on starting my career at SEGA) Now, if you ever decide to come to GA then let me know and we'll play. My skill might suprise you! :wink:

You say potato I say patato, whatever.

[DrgnEclair]

yo, i've skipped out on school (college) and asked for vacations at work to travel and play. that's hardcore yo.

[Saiten-Genjo-Sanzo-Hosu]

yo, i've skipped out on school (college) and asked for vacations at work to travel and play. that's hardcore yo.

Yes indeed it is!

[Shadow Draygon]

Throws are cheap.

sorry SD but i gotta disagree with ya here, i use anything in my :):):):)nal(in game that is) and if i gotta use a trow or a super itll be in there somewhere. dont get me wrong i love the RC nad FRC's but if i cant hit it in time then ill cancel out into one of my super/throw combos. like i said, anything in my :):):):)nal.

I was being sarcastic. :wink:



I'm not a casual gamer period. I like GG but I dont like it enough to be the best at it. I'm not going to pay to play a video game I already have.

You don't have to pay for tournaments, that was just mention that people do play for money, most of the times the gatherings are free.

Also not getting into the compeditive scene makes you a casual gamer, that means that you play the game leasurely. Unless you're participating in the competive scene, that's what you are. You may disagree but that's what you're classifide as.

And it's not like being a casual player is an insult, I'm still one myself. I want to get into the competive scene, but it's too far out of the way for traveling to the nearest Guilty Gear gathering, about 6 hours driving distince.


Hopefully one day I'll be making GG. (indirectly, I plan on starting my career at SEGA) Now, if you ever decide to come to GA then let me know and we'll play. My skill might suprise you! :wink:

You say potato I say patato, whatever.

Sorry to burst your bubble but you'll never help with Guilty Gear, Sega doesn't make it and working for them wouldn't make you an closer to the game. Arc System makes the game so if you want to learn Japanese, move to Japan, get a job at Arc, and then become buddies with Daisuke, then you might have a chance.

[-VS-]

exe beast loop is totaly cheep u guyz u hav 2 doo all these frc thing n i cant do them

[Saiten-Genjo-Sanzo-Hosu]

You don't have to pay for tournaments, that was just mention that people do play for money, most of the times the gatherings are free.

Good. When some come to athens then let me know.


Also not getting into the compeditive scene makes you a casual gamer, that means that you play the game leasurely. Unless you're participating in the competive scene, that's what you are. You may disagree but that's what you're classifide as.

I would if it was free and close, but it's not. I'm not a casual gamer.

And it's not like being a casual player is an insult, I'm still one myself. I want to get into the competive scene, but it's too far out of the way for traveling to the nearest Guilty Gear gathering, about 6 hours driving distince.

yes it is. Anybody that's planing on developing video games for a living is not a casual gamer. If you dont play mainstreem cr@p then your not a casual gamer. If your big into old school games (pre playstation era) then your not a casual. If you spend most of your free time playing video games then your NOT a casual gamer.


Sorry to burst your bubble but you'll never help with Guilty Gear, Sega doesn't make it and working for them wouldn't make you an closer to the game. Arc System makes the game so if you want to learn Japanese, move to Japan, get a job at Arc, and then become buddies with Daisuke, then you might have a chance.

I said that to get under your skin. :P That why I said Inderectly. I know SEGA has nothing to do with development but they do pulbish it.

But I do plan (hope) on working at SEGA of Japan.

[Shadow Draygon]

You're a casual player for Guilty Gear, not as a whole you moron.

[Saiten-Genjo-Sanzo-Hosu]

You're a casual player for Guilty Gear, not as a whole you moron.

That was kinda funny. But I have to disagree with that as well. I might not be as "hardcore" as you an other people are but that doesnt make me casual.

[Shadow Draygon]

*sigh*

Whatever, but refusing to acknowledge game strats and refusal of playing the game on a competitive level makes you causal...or a scrub.

I don't have to convince you though, seeing how this thread's history, is impossible.