Rare has no plans of bringing back any of it's old IP's

[geist078]

http://www.360-gamer.com/news.asp?id=3021

Rare has said that it has no further plans to revive any of its older franchises – at least, for the time being.

Rare has been giving many of its older IPs new outings so far this generation. These include the likes of launch game Perfect Dark Zero, Live Arcade title Jetpac Refuelled and Banjo Kazooie, which is due to return both in the form of build-’em-up Nuts & Bolts, as well as a Live Arcade port of the N64 original.

It also tried to release a Live Arcade port of GoldenEye, although this was subsequently blocked by Nintendo.
Despite this, Rare’s senior animator Elissa Miller told our sister publication, 360 Gamer magazine, that the British studio doesn’t have any plans to revive any more of its older IPs at this time.

“At the moment, probably not,” was Miller’s reply, when asked whether Rare was planning any more IP revivals.

“We’ve always got to have a reasons to revive a franchise, we don’t do games just for the sake of them. We’ve got to have some valid reasons.”

So then, this would appear to be bad news for anyone hoping to see new outings for the likes of Grabbed by the Ghoulies, Jet Force Gemini, Blast Corps, or any of it’s other older titles.
Although if you’ve been enjoying some of the developer’s newer stuff, such as Viva Pinata, Kameo or suchlike, this’ll be good news – especially as the studio is rumoured to be announcing a new game next week.

Still, Miller did offer a small glimmer of hope for long term Rare fans.

“We never say never,” she added.

“Who knows [what will happen] in the future?”

Banjo Nuts & Bolts is due out on 14 November.

[pirovash88]

Well that kind of sucks, i was hoping to see a new Killer Instinct in the making. She did say "never say never" so i'm sure someday it'll happen just not at the moment. I'm curious to see what Rare's got up their sleeves.

[ShadiWulf]

It also tried to release a Live Arcade port of GoldenEye, although this was subsequently blocked by Nintendo.

**** you Nintendo

[TheGreenThunder]

It also tried to release a Live Arcade port of GoldenEye, although this was subsequently blocked by Nintendo.

**** you NintendoDon't worry- the game hasn't aged too well.

[ShadiWulf]

It also tried to release a Live Arcade port of GoldenEye, although this was subsequently blocked by Nintendo.

**** you NintendoDon't worry- the game hasn't aged too well.Who cares? It's fun... im playing DOOM right now, tons more fun then I have had with any other FPS.

[supersonic69]

DAMN IT!

[ShinobiShadowDancer]

It also tried to release a Live Arcade port of GoldenEye, although this was subsequently blocked by Nintendo.

**** you NintendoDon't worry- the game hasn't aged too well.Who cares? It's fun... im playing DOOM right now, tons more fun then I have had with any other FPS.than you best get dukenukem because its 2x better (way more complex levels, hilarious voice samples, more weapons etc. but its still got the doom style of gameplay)

[ShadowLegend]

Too bad, I think everyone wanted a new Conker sequel.

[GothicMetalXVI]

Well that sucks...I was also sort of hoping for a new Killer Instinct...and even though I was already well aware of Goldeneye XBLA being in limbo, it still makes me angry to be reminded about it...

And what are you talking about TheGreenThunder? The game has aged quite well.

[EasyrightEasyleft]

They should stop making those Viva Pinata games, I rather see some of their old games in HD, then the crap they are releasing today.

[EasyrightEasyleft]

It also tried to release a Live Arcade port of GoldenEye, although this was subsequently blocked by Nintendo.

**** you NintendoNintendo is the devil, I really hate them now, their not even good anymore.

If Mario Galaxy was named Sonic Galaxy, it would've averaged a 6 by all critics. that games is truly overrated crap. Everyone is obsessed with Mario, which is pretty sad.

[ShadiWulf]

It also tried to release a Live Arcade port of GoldenEye, although this was subsequently blocked by Nintendo.

**** you NintendoNintendo is the devil, I really hate them now, their not even good anymore.

If Mario Galaxy was named Sonic Galaxy, it would've averaged a 6 by all critics. that games is truly overrated crap. Everyone is obsessed with Mario, which is pretty sad.Finally! Someone who agrees with me! There is a god!

[EasyrightEasyleft]

It also tried to release a Live Arcade port of GoldenEye, although this was subsequently blocked by Nintendo.

**** you NintendoDon't worry- the game hasn't aged too well.Who cares? It's fun... im playing DOOM right now, tons more fun then I have had with any other FPS.You my friend have good taste.

[Soniclogic567]

It also tried to release a Live Arcade port of GoldenEye, although this was subsequently blocked by Nintendo.

**** you NintendoNintendo is the devil, I really hate them now, their not even good anymore.

If Mario Galaxy was named Sonic Galaxy, it would've averaged a 6 by all critics. that games is truly overrated crap. Everyone is obsessed with Mario, which is pretty sad.Finally! Someone who agrees with me! There is a god! Lol Kindred spirit. :lol: jk

[SpongeAlex]

It also tried to release a Live Arcade port of GoldenEye, although this was subsequently blocked by Nintendo.

**** you NintendoNintendo is the devil, I really hate them now, their not even good anymore.

If Mario Galaxy was named Sonic Galaxy, it would've averaged a 6 by all critics. that games is truly overrated crap. Everyone is obsessed with Mario, which is pretty sad.

Mario Galaxy WAS a good game, people give Sonic too much hate.

[ShadowLegend]

It also tried to release a Live Arcade port of GoldenEye, although this was subsequently blocked by Nintendo.

**** you NintendoNintendo is the devil, I really hate them now, their not even good anymore.

If Mario Galaxy was named Sonic Galaxy, it would've averaged a 6 by all critics. that games is truly overrated crap. Everyone is obsessed with Mario, which is pretty sad.Finally! Someone who agrees with me! There is a god!

You're right, Shadi and EasyEasyLeft, Mario Galaxy's of the quality of the recent Sonic outings. You've got us.....all the praise the game's seen, all our raving about it, its incredible sales...it's all a scheme to make the excellent game of Sonic '06 look bad. We admit it, you got us...Surely someone like you who'se PLAYED MARIO GALAXY would see right through the industry's scheme.


(On a more serious note, Shadi, play the ******* game before judging it, but I might as well tell you that it's becoming pointless to even try arguing this with you....if you seriously think Mario Galaxy is of the quality of recent Sonic games....YOU ARE OUT OF YOUR ******* MIND. Regardless of your thoughts of Mario, you are OUT OF YOUR MIND. Galaxy was easily one of the most polished games in existance. NO LOAD TIMES, ZERO GLITCHES, Bright, excellent visuals, a long, fun adventure, great new characters and varied levels....it was an incredible game in every respect. Everything Sonic '06 wasn't .

Sonic '06 sucked balls. Mario Galaxy was a masterpiece. Its praise was well-deserved.....you'd know it if you played the game, but you won't because you know it'll be good and you'll be forced to look like a jack@$$.

Why'd I bother replying...)


Finally! Someone who agrees with me! There is a god!

Because you've finally found someone as ignorant as you are? I suppose that's a cause for renewed faith....I dunno.

[EasyrightEasyleft]

It also tried to release a Live Arcade port of GoldenEye, although this was subsequently blocked by Nintendo.

**** you NintendoNintendo is the devil, I really hate them now, their not even good anymore.

If Mario Galaxy was named Sonic Galaxy, it would've averaged a 6 by all critics. that games is truly overrated crap. Everyone is obsessed with Mario, which is pretty sad.Finally! Someone who agrees with me! There is a god!

You're right, Shadi and EasyEasyLeft, Mario Galaxy's of the quality of the recent Sonic outings. You've got us.....all the praise the game's seen, all our raving about it, its incredible sales...it's all a scheme to make the excellent game of Sonic '06 look bad. We admit it, you got us...Surely someone like you who'se PLAYED MARIO GALAXY would see right through the industry's scheme.


(On a more serious note, Shadi, play the ******* game before judging it, but I might as well tell you that it's becoming pointless to even try arguing this with you....if you seriously think Mario Galaxy is of the quality of recent Sonic games....YOU ARE OUT OF YOUR ******* MIND. Regardless of your thoughts of Mario, you are OUT OF YOUR MIND. Galaxy was easily one of the most polished games in existance. NO LOAD TIMES, ZERO GLITCHES, Bright, excellent visuals, a long, fun adventure, great new characters and varied levels....it was an incredible game in every respect. Everything Sonic '06 wasn't .

Sonic '06 sucked balls. Mario Galaxy was a masterpiece. Its praise was well-deserved.....you'd know it if you played the game, but you won't because you know it'll be good and you'll be forced to look like a jack@$$.

Why'd I bother replying...)


Finally! Someone who agrees with me! There is a god!

Because you've finally found someone as ignorant as you are? I suppose that's a cause for renewed faith....I dunno.Seriously, I enjoyed Sonic the Hedgehog for the 360 more then Mario Galaxy.

You're calling someone ignorant for their opinions? :roll: Anyone is ignorant is you my friend. You can like that piece of garbage game, that's fine. We don't, learn to live with it.

[Mighty]

You're ignorant because of your point of view that there is somehow a conspiracy amongst critics and fans that is revering Mario Galaxy for it's namesake. Not to mention your posing your opinion in an absolute manner, thus invalidating your "ITS MU OPNION" cop-out.

Mario Galaxy was quite possibly the best game to be released this far; not because Mario is on the box, but because it's a brilliant game in nearly every aspect.

Anyways, I'm a bit mixed on this whole issue. On one hand, I really don't care too much about most of Rare's other franchises. Conker was alright, though admittedly I didn't play the game until it's Xbox release, and Killer Instinct never really did anything for me. Banjo Kazooie was really their only franchise that I really wanted to see revived, and I'll still have to wait and see how it all turned out in the end. Other than some odd titles here and there, there aren't that many Rare titles that I'm overly interested, as I don't think Battle Toads was ever really considered for a full revival.



I really wish they would of done a straight revival and not tampered with the gameplay structure too much. Give us the direct rival we want first, then shake it up later. Rare is quite good at taking on new gameplays, but I still wish we could of stirred the pot less.

[ShàrkySN]

Mario Galaxy was a better game then recent 3D Sonic games... that is pretty much fact.

But I do think Nintendo are one hell of an overrated company. Half of the games that come out these days are rubbish like Wiiplay, Wiifit, Wiimusic, Pokemon Stadium, Wiisports resort and crappy mario spin offs... like Mario Slugger.... even their good games arent as good as their past ones like Mario Kart Wii... terrible.

Since the Wii launched Nintendo have only put out about 4 games worth getting excited about, all of which are sequals.

They arent 'rubbish' but they are nothing special.

[ShadowLegend]

Seriously, I enjoyed Sonic the Hedgehog for the 360 more then Mario Galaxy.

Then you're the one who'se biassed. SonicTeam themselves have even apologized for Sonic '06 so you know there was a problem there.

I've played both extensively. To even compare them's insanity.


You can like that piece of garbage game, that's fine. We don't, learn to live with it.

Yeah, that's great, although your friend Shadi I know for a fact hasn't played Mario Galaxy and I doubt you have played it either. (First 10 minutes doesn't count...)

[ShadiWulf]

It also tried to release a Live Arcade port of GoldenEye, although this was subsequently blocked by Nintendo.

**** you NintendoNintendo is the devil, I really hate them now, their not even good anymore.

If Mario Galaxy was named Sonic Galaxy, it would've averaged a 6 by all critics. that games is truly overrated crap. Everyone is obsessed with Mario, which is pretty sad.Finally! Someone who agrees with me! There is a god!

You're right, Shadi and EasyEasyLeft, Mario Galaxy's of the quality of the recent Sonic outings. You've got us.....all the praise the game's seen, all our raving about it, its incredible sales...it's all a scheme to make the excellent game of Sonic '06 look bad. We admit it, you got us...Surely someone like you who'se PLAYED MARIO GALAXY would see right through the industry's scheme.


(On a more serious note, Shadi, play the ******* game before judging it, but I might as well tell you that it's becoming pointless to even try arguing this with you....if you seriously think Mario Galaxy is of the quality of recent Sonic games....YOU ARE OUT OF YOUR ******* MIND. Regardless of your thoughts of Mario, you are OUT OF YOUR MIND. Galaxy was easily one of the most polished games in existance. NO LOAD TIMES, ZERO GLITCHES, Bright, excellent visuals, a long, fun adventure, great new characters and varied levels....it was an incredible game in every respect. Everything Sonic '06 wasn't .

Sonic '06 sucked balls. Mario Galaxy was a masterpiece. Its praise was well-deserved.....you'd know it if you played the game, but you won't because you know it'll be good and you'll be forced to look like a jack@$$.

Why'd I bother replying...)


Finally! Someone who agrees with me! There is a god!

Because you've finally found someone as ignorant as you are? I suppose that's a cause for renewed faith....I dunno.

I'll play Mario Galaxy when I can find it for 20- dollars new laying in a bargin bin. I won't support Nintendo's full priced games.

[ShadowLegend]

It also tried to release a Live Arcade port of GoldenEye, although this was subsequently blocked by Nintendo.

**** you NintendoNintendo is the devil, I really hate them now, their not even good anymore.

If Mario Galaxy was named Sonic Galaxy, it would've averaged a 6 by all critics. that games is truly overrated crap. Everyone is obsessed with Mario, which is pretty sad.Finally! Someone who agrees with me! There is a god!

You're right, Shadi and EasyEasyLeft, Mario Galaxy's of the quality of the recent Sonic outings. You've got us.....all the praise the game's seen, all our raving about it, its incredible sales...it's all a scheme to make the excellent game of Sonic '06 look bad. We admit it, you got us...Surely someone like you who'se PLAYED MARIO GALAXY would see right through the industry's scheme.


(On a more serious note, Shadi, play the ******* game before judging it, but I might as well tell you that it's becoming pointless to even try arguing this with you....if you seriously think Mario Galaxy is of the quality of recent Sonic games....YOU ARE OUT OF YOUR ******* MIND. Regardless of your thoughts of Mario, you are OUT OF YOUR MIND. Galaxy was easily one of the most polished games in existance. NO LOAD TIMES, ZERO GLITCHES, Bright, excellent visuals, a long, fun adventure, great new characters and varied levels....it was an incredible game in every respect. Everything Sonic '06 wasn't .

Sonic '06 sucked balls. Mario Galaxy was a masterpiece. Its praise was well-deserved.....you'd know it if you played the game, but you won't because you know it'll be good and you'll be forced to look like a jack@$$.

Why'd I bother replying...)


Finally! Someone who agrees with me! There is a god!

Because you've finally found someone as ignorant as you are? I suppose that's a cause for renewed faith....I dunno.

I'll play Mario Galaxy when I can find it for 20- dollars new laying in a bargin bin. I won't support Nintendo's full priced games.

Yet you're willing to pay $50 for Sega's crappiest games? Wow.

(And Nuckles I swear you'd better not go around deleting these posts..... :x )

[ShadiWulf]

It also tried to release a Live Arcade port of GoldenEye, although this was subsequently blocked by Nintendo.

**** you NintendoNintendo is the devil, I really hate them now, their not even good anymore.

If Mario Galaxy was named Sonic Galaxy, it would've averaged a 6 by all critics. that games is truly overrated crap. Everyone is obsessed with Mario, which is pretty sad.Finally! Someone who agrees with me! There is a god!

You're right, Shadi and EasyEasyLeft, Mario Galaxy's of the quality of the recent Sonic outings. You've got us.....all the praise the game's seen, all our raving about it, its incredible sales...it's all a scheme to make the excellent game of Sonic '06 look bad. We admit it, you got us...Surely someone like you who'se PLAYED MARIO GALAXY would see right through the industry's scheme.


(On a more serious note, Shadi, play the ******* game before judging it, but I might as well tell you that it's becoming pointless to even try arguing this with you....if you seriously think Mario Galaxy is of the quality of recent Sonic games....YOU ARE OUT OF YOUR ******* MIND. Regardless of your thoughts of Mario, you are OUT OF YOUR MIND. Galaxy was easily one of the most polished games in existance. NO LOAD TIMES, ZERO GLITCHES, Bright, excellent visuals, a long, fun adventure, great new characters and varied levels....it was an incredible game in every respect. Everything Sonic '06 wasn't .

Sonic '06 sucked balls. Mario Galaxy was a masterpiece. Its praise was well-deserved.....you'd know it if you played the game, but you won't because you know it'll be good and you'll be forced to look like a jack@$$.

Why'd I bother replying...)


Finally! Someone who agrees with me! There is a god!

Because you've finally found someone as ignorant as you are? I suppose that's a cause for renewed faith....I dunno.

I'll play Mario Galaxy when I can find it for 20- dollars new laying in a bargin bin. I won't support Nintendo's full priced games.

Yet you're willing to pay $50 for Sega's crappiest games? Wow.

(And Nuckles I swear you'd better not go around deleting these posts..... :x )No, I didn't buy Sonic 06, that was a gift, and NiGHTS is worth the price its at now

http://www.gamestop.com/Catalog/ProductDetails.aspx?product_id=12570

[duranfan]

Mario Galaxy was a better game then recent 3D Sonic games... that is pretty much fact.

But I do think Nintendo are one hell of an overrated company. Half of the games that come out these days are rubbish like Wiiplay, Wiifit, Wiimusic, Pokemon Stadium, Wiisports resort and crappy mario spin offs... like Mario Slugger.... even their good games arent as good as their past ones like Mario Kart Wii... terrible.

Since the Wii launched Nintendo have only put out about 4 games worth getting excited about, all of which are sequals.

They arent 'rubbish' but they are nothing special.once in a while i agree with sharky

this is that while

:D

[themufanman]

It also tried to release a Live Arcade port of GoldenEye, although this was subsequently blocked by Nintendo.

**** you NintendoNintendo is the devil, I really hate them now, their not even good anymore.

If Mario Galaxy was named Sonic Galaxy, it would've averaged a 6 by all critics. that games is truly overrated crap. Everyone is obsessed with Mario, which is pretty sad.

Mario Galaxy WAS a good game, people give Sonic too much hate.
here we go agian
on topic
no new conker or killer instinct :(

[Silverevilchao]

Mario Galaxy was a better game then recent 3D Sonic games... that is pretty much fact.

But I do think Nintendo are one hell of an overrated company. Half of the games that come out these days are rubbish like Wiiplay, Wiifit, Wiimusic, Pokemon Stadium, Wiisports resort and crappy mario spin offs... like Mario Slugger.... even their good games arent as good as their past ones like Mario Kart Wii... terrible.

Since the Wii launched Nintendo have only put out about 4 games worth getting excited about, all of which are sequals.

They arent 'rubbish' but they are nothing special.

The same can be said for nearly every company, though. :/ Everyone makes sequels. Nearly all of the games released are sequels. They make up the main bulk of the industry.

What are/were the games most talked about? Gears of War 2, Halo 3, that Banjo Kazooie sequel, Yakuza Kensan, Mario Galaxy, MegaMan 9. All sequels or part of existing franchises.

What are generally the most polished, refined games released, both in their respective series and compared to other games in their genre? Prime 3, Final Fantasy X (for its time six freaking years ago!!!!!), Ratchet and Clank Future, Crash Bandicoot 3 (again, for its time), Call of Duty 4. All sequels yet again.

What games make the most money? Madden [insert year here], Guitar Hero [insert number/expansion pack here], Poke'mon Diamond/Pearl/Platinum, Halo 3. Yet again, all sequels.

And you can't tell me that all of them were made by Nintendo. The main bulk of every large company's portfolio consists of sequels. The majority of the games I own are sequels. The games everyone plays are usually, 99.9% of the time, part of an existing series. Nintendo's not the only one guilty of sequelitis.


*cough* Anyway, Poke'mon Battle Revolution isn't even made by Game Freak, who makes the original Poke'mon games and ONLY the original Poke'mon games, no spinoffs (they also made Drill Dozer, which was apparently a really good GBA game). That's why most of the non-main Poke'mon games suck.

I do totally agree with you on the stupid Wii[insert name here] and Mario spinoffs. Not fond of them at all. At least they're milking Mario and not any of their other series...

I personally liked Brawl a lot, thought it was better than Melee, and I thought Prime 3 was the best of the trilogy. Mario Kart Wii seemed to be an isolated incident...and even then, it apparently was a pretty polished game. I think the issue with Nintendo this gen is that they released all of their heavy hitters early in the cycle, because those games were originally supposed to come out at the end of the GameCube's lifespan (Prime 3, Mario Galaxy, Twilight Princess).

[/thread hijack]

BACK ON TOPIC. :P I think I said this already in this topic, but I really don't care about Rare. Never been interested. *shrug* Kinda like how I wouldn't freak out if it was announced that the GTA series has ended.

[whateverdude]

Surely someone like you who'se PLAYED MARIO GALAXY would see right through the industry's scheme. Didn't we go through something like this already? Because it's totally natural of you to judge games without playing them.











And yes, I've played Mario Galaxy

[ShadowLegend]

I was talking to Shadi, not you, whateverdude. I never questioned the fact that you've played Mario Galaxy.

And what game have I judged without playing it, again? Refresh my memory. Mario Sluggers? Because I've played the previous entry in that series and they're identical.

[Mighty]

Mario Galaxy was a better game then recent 3D Sonic games... that is pretty much fact.
Mario Slugger.... even their good games arent as good as their past ones like Mario Kart Wii... terrible.
But I do think Nintendo are one hell of an overrated company. Half of the games that come out these days are rubbish like Wiiplay, Wiifit, Wiimusic, Pokemon Stadium, Wiisports resort and crappy mario spin offs... like


It's funny how much crap Nintendo gets from people for games like Wii-Fit, Wii-sports and Wii-Music. It's really ironic that those are mostly the only games any one attacking Nintendo can target, especially considering what they are.

Wii sports: Packaged game with the console itself.
Wii sports 2 : Packaged game with Wii-motion plus
Wii Play: Packaged game with a wii-mote
Wii Fit: Packaged game with balance board

So in the end, it's not like you're buying a 50 dollar game then the peripheral itself. There's just so much bit*ing over these games that really don't require it all. I could understand if Nintendo's development team hasn't been producing great games, but there has yet to be a single Nintendo in-house developed game that has failed at being quite excellent at what it is. Just because games like Wii-fit and Wii-music do not appeal to you, does not mean they're poorly developed games; because they're not.

It's funny that Nintendo gets all this crap for packaged games, but when a company like activision makes players pay 80-170 dollars for a game and a peripheral that can only be used in that specific game, that people don't seem to have the same hissy fit. And Guitar Hero sure as hell isn't that far from games like Wiisports in it's nature. Funnily enough, Nintendo did the exact same thing with their bongo peripherals last generation. Only difference was that they didn't inflate the games cost and even went as far as to create a non rhythm game that utilized the bongos (which is great, by the way)

As for the Mario spinoff titles, why not complain about the developers who developed the game. I don't understand how Namco developing a poor game, which is arguable, shows how poor of a company Nintendo is.

[ShadiWulf]

Mario Galaxy was a better game then recent 3D Sonic games... that is pretty much fact.
Mario Slugger.... even their good games arent as good as their past ones like Mario Kart Wii... terrible.
But I do think Nintendo are one hell of an overrated company. Half of the games that come out these days are rubbish like Wiiplay, Wiifit, Wiimusic, Pokemon Stadium, Wiisports resort and crappy mario spin offs... like


It's funny how much crap Nintendo gets from people for games like Wii-Fit, Wii-sports and Wii-Music. It's really ironic that those are mostly the only games any one attacking Nintendo can target, especially considering what they are.

Wii sports: Packaged game with the console itself.
Wii sports 2 : Packaged game with Wii-motion plus
Wii Play: Packaged game with a wii-mote
Wii Fit: Packaged game with balance board

So in the end, it's not like you're buying a 50 dollar game then the peripheral itself. There's just so much bit*ing over these games that really don't require it all. I could understand if Nintendo's development team hasn't been producing great games, but there has yet to be a single Nintendo in-house developed game that has failed at being quite excellent at what it is. Just because games like Wii-fit and Wii-music do not appeal to you, does not mean they're poorly developed games; because they're not.

It's funny that Nintendo gets all this crap for packaged games, but when a company like activision makes players pay 80-170 dollars for a game and a peripheral that can only be used in that specific game, that people don't seem to have the same hissy fit. And Guitar Hero sure as hell isn't that far from games like Wiisports in it's nature. Funnily enough, Nintendo did the exact same thing with their bongo peripherals last generation. Only difference was that they didn't inflate the games cost and even went as far as to create a non rhythm game that utilized the bongos (which is great, by the way)

As for the Mario spinoff titles, why not complain about the developers who developed the game. I don't understand how Namco developing a poor game, which is arguable, shows how poor of a company Nintendo is.

100 dollar console packaged with a 10 dollar game selling for 250 = major ripoff
10 dollar game packaged with a 5 dollar add on selling for 50 dollars = ripoff
10 dollar game packaged with a 15 dollar POS remote selling for 50 = ripoff
Wii Fit = Major Ripoff no matter what.

[Mighty]

100 dollar console packaged with a 10 dollar game selling for 250 = major ripoff
10 dollar game packaged with a 5 dollar add on selling for 50 dollars = ripoff
10 dollar game packaged with a 15 dollar POS remote selling for 50 = ripoff
Wii Fit = Major Ripoff no matter what.

And now could we perhaps have the opinion of someone whose perspective isn't worth garbage?

Also, when you take into consideration that companies like Microsoft gives absolutely nothing away for free or cheap when purchasing their overpriced peripherals then Nintendo isn't exactly looking too bad.

How about some free gamer points after buying a 100 dollar network adapter or a 50 dollar controller? Anything? No.

[ShadowLegend]

Shadi, please explain to me how Wii Fit's a ripoff (a game that's been the recipient of "very good-great reviews") when it's a proven to work product that comes with a very capable and stable and highly-rated perhipheral) and charging $30 for a game that doesn't even control correctly (Samba) isn't. I can't wait to hear this.

[ShadiWulf]

Shadi, please explain to me how Wii Fit's a ripoff and charging $30 for a game that doesn't even control correctly (Samba) isn't. I can't wait to hear this.Samba does work right, and its 40 dollars not 30. The reason its not working right in harder modes is because the Wii mote is out dated technology thats over 5 years old.

[ShadowLegend]

Shadi, please explain to me how Wii Fit's a ripoff and charging $30 for a game that doesn't even control correctly (Samba) isn't. I can't wait to hear this.Samba does work right, and its 40 dollars not 30. The reason its not working right in harder modes is because the Wii mote is out dated technology thats over 5 years old.

Yeah, like I said, the game doesn't work right in harder modes. Therefore it should have been delayed until either the motion Plus came out, or it should have been re-worked TO work correctly on Wii's current control method.

So again, broken products vs. proven products coming with top-of-the-line perhipherals...you're just biassed, dude.

[ShadiWulf]

Shadi, please explain to me how Wii Fit's a ripoff and charging $30 for a game that doesn't even control correctly (Samba) isn't. I can't wait to hear this.Samba does work right, and its 40 dollars not 30. The reason its not working right in harder modes is because the Wii mote is out dated technology thats over 5 years old.

Yeah, like I said, the game doesn't work right in harder modes. Therefore it should have been delayed until either the motion Plus came out, or it should have been re-worked TO work correctly on Wii's current control method.

So again, broken products vs. proven products coming with top-of-the-line perhipherals...you're just biassed, dude.The Wii shouldn't need no motion plus, the motion plus technology has been out for years, Nintendo should of included it in the wii remote to begin with, but NOOOOO we gotta make all the extra dollars off the consumers because were greedy slime. BS, the Wii mote is worth 20 dollars.

[Alohaman]

Hahaha, this entire argument is filled with people with clouded judgment on both sides of the field. It's going to go nowhere, and is just wasting bandwidth. I'm guessing Nuckles87 will be here in minutes lol...

[ShadowLegend]

Hahaha, this entire argument is filled with people with clouded judgment on both sides of the field.

So why not contribute yourself? Explain how our judgement's "clouded," please.


Nintendo should of included it in the wii remote to begin with,

Then they charge an extra $10 per wiimote (or whatever the Motion Plus will cost) and people whine about that. They can't win.

[ShadiWulf]

Hahaha, this entire argument is filled with people with clouded judgment on both sides of the field.

So why not contribute yourself? Explain how our judgement's "clouded," please.


Nintendo should of included it in the wii remote to begin with,

Then they charge an extra $10 per wiimote (or whatever the Motion Plus will cost) and people whine about that. They can't win.See, they don't need to include the extra 10 dollars, they are already charging way more then the Remote is worth, it wouldn't hurt them to keep the remote the same price while having Wii Motion Plus tech in it. All it would hurt is their potential profit, which they don't need, they have too much money, they should be split apart like BELL was a long time ago.

[ShadowLegend]

(sigh...) Shadi, your ignorance on certain issues is pretty extreme.


See, they don't need to include the extra 10 dollars, they are already charging way more then the Remote is worth, it wouldn't hurt them to keep the remote the same price while having Wii Motion Plus tech in it. All it would hurt is their potential profit, which they don't need, they have too much money, they should be split apart like BELL was a long time ago.


How are they charging more than the remote is worth? It's priced at the same level as all next-gen controllers.

Second of all, companies don't get split up because they make too much profit, shadi. :roll:
They get split up for being monopolies. In other words, being *The only* competition....which is not the case at all.

[Soniclogic567]

Hahaha, this entire argument is filled with people with clouded judgment on both sides of the field.

So why not contribute yourself? Explain how our judgement's "clouded," please.


Nintendo should of included it in the wii remote to begin with,

Then they charge an extra $10 per wiimote (or whatever the Motion Plus will cost) and people whine about that. They can't win.See, they don't need to include the extra 10 dollars, they are already charging way more then the Remote is worth, it wouldn't hurt them to keep the remote the same price while having Wii Motion Plus tech in it. All it would hurt is their potential profit, which they don't need, they have too much money, they should be split apart like BELL was a long time ago. There's a policy in business to sell something 2-3 times as much as it's worth. So, I don't know, the company can actually gain profit..... :roll: But, I bet if the Wii sold cheaper and still had high sales you'd complain anyway because of how much more it would be selling, and how the foolish consumer are eating up the Wii more because of it. :lol:

Edit: Anyway, what does this have to do with Rare? Well, I only liked most of Rare's nintendo titles than any of the new stuff they've put up now.

[ShadowLegend]

The problem with Rareware is that MS brought them with a certain audience in mind and it seems like they're not going to let Rareware target any other, older audience, which is really too bad.

[Misfits Fiend]

Shadi, please explain to me how Wii Fit's a ripoff and charging $30 for a game that doesn't even control correctly (Samba) isn't. I can't wait to hear this.Samba does work right, and its 40 dollars not 30. The reason its not working right in harder modes is because the Wii mote is out dated technology thats over 5 years old.
That's funny you say that because plenty of other games have been quite successful with the Wii remote. I think it has more to do with the developer than thew technology. And it's 5 years old you say? So that mean during it's research and development, it was 1 to 2 years old. When the Wii remote was first released, the technology was 3 years old and yet, it still seems to work fine for those who know how to use it. So 5 year old technology it may be (if what you're saying is true) but considering it's 2008 and the Wii came out in 2005 and it's main hardware was being worked on sometime between 2003 and 2005, it would make sense that the technology is 5 years old. Still, this is about Rare and I don't really want to talk about this.

Yeah, so when Microsoft bought Rare, somebody ran away laughing all the way to the bank and it sure wasn't Microsoft. See, you guys have to understand that what Microsoft bought in 2002 and what they had afterwards wasn't the same company that had big financial success on the Nintendo 64. First of all, Rare lost much of it's Goldeneye team when they left shortly after development on Perfect Dark began (which explains why the game was constantly delayed) to form Free Radical. Even there head of software left to work at Nintendo of America and the GameCube hardware. So Microsoft bought a company that didn't have the development staff behind one of it's most successful games. Then even more people left after the acquisition which cause Rare to be very short handed. Then in 2007, the very people who watched and managed Rare since it's founding (the Stamper brothers) left. Now it's said that Rare is no longer focusing on older franchises.

So what are we left with? A different developer making games, yet that has a familiar name. To this day, I still say that buying Rare is one of the biggest mistakes Microsoft has made since they entered the console market.

[geist078]

Sonic06 was a poorly made game. I died so many times on the game that it isn't even funny, especially on the on-rail parts.

[Sykic_Sonic]

Mario Galaxy was a better game then recent 3D Sonic games... that is pretty much fact.

But I do think Nintendo are one hell of an overrated company. Half of the games that come out these days are rubbish like Wiiplay, Wiifit, Wiimusic, Pokemon Stadium, Wiisports resort and crappy mario spin offs... like Mario Slugger.... even their good games arent as good as their past ones like Mario Kart Wii... terrible.

Since the Wii launched Nintendo have only put out about 4 games worth getting excited about, all of which are sequals.

They arent 'rubbish' but they are nothing special.

The same can be said for nearly every company, though. :/ Everyone makes sequels. Nearly all of the games released are sequels. They make up the main bulk of the industry.

What are/were the games most talked about? Gears of War 2, Halo 3, that Banjo Kazooie sequel, Yakuza Kensan, Mario Galaxy, MegaMan 9. All sequels or part of existing franchises.

What are generally the most polished, refined games released, both in their respective series and compared to other games in their genre? Prime 3, Final Fantasy X (for its time six freaking years ago!!!!!), Ratchet and Clank Future, Crash Bandicoot 3 (again, for its time), Call of Duty 4. All sequels yet again.

What games make the most money? Madden [insert year here], Guitar Hero [insert number/expansion pack here], Poke'mon Diamond/Pearl/Platinum, Halo 3. Yet again, all sequels.

Umm, Sharky never said that other companies don't make sequels. He just said that the only games that Nintendo makes that are worth getting are sequels (and even those sequels don't always turn out good either...Mario Kart Wii). Of course other companies make seuqels, but they also have new games that are worth getting as well.

Sony's got LittleBigPlanet, Heavy Rain, Infamous, MAG, Uncharted, Resistance, etc. Microsoft's got Banjo-Kazooie: Nuts & Bolts (might as well be new due to all the changes), Gears of War (new 360 franchise), and probably some other new games that I don't care about. But what new franchises/games for the Wii has Nintendo made? Just the Wii series (WiiSports, WiiMusic, WiiPlay, WiiFit, WiiWasteMoney, etc.) which is for casual gamers. Oh, and Disaster (Wow, one game for the hardcore!). All the other games are just sequels to franchises from past generations: the good (Galaxy, Brawl, Prime, Zelda), the meh (Animal Crossing, Pikmin, Wario Land) and the bad (Mario Kart Wii, Pokemon Stadium w/e, Mario's Sport Spin-off Cash Cow).

So that leaves us more hardcore gamers with nothing to play but a few games from Nintendo...that are all sequels. That's why people complain about their sequels and not other companies. Honestly, other than Disaster (which ain't looking that great...I'll probably rent) the only Wii games from Nintendo that I'll even bother getting in the future is Mario Galaxy 2 (sequel to a sequel), the next Zelda (sequel....unless they take a much needed new direction), F-Zero Wii (sequel), and the next entry in the Metroid series...if there is one (and it will probably be a sequel as well).

Once Nintendo starts making new Wii games that hardcore gamers will actually care about, then people will stop complaining about their sequelitis. And just a couple of questionable looking games like Disaster and Project H.A.M.M.E.R. (canceled...nice job there) aren't going to cut it.

As for the topic at hand, I can't say I really care. Golden Eye and Conker are the only franchises from Rare that I vaguely cared about. A clone of the most overrated platformer in exsistance and whatever else they made didn't interest me.

Here's hoping for the best with the new games they make though. Give me a reason to get a 360.

[Misfits Fiend]

Mario Galaxy was a better game then recent 3D Sonic games... that is pretty much fact.

But I do think Nintendo are one hell of an overrated company. Half of the games that come out these days are rubbish like Wiiplay, Wiifit, Wiimusic, Pokemon Stadium, Wiisports resort and crappy mario spin offs... like Mario Slugger.... even their good games arent as good as their past ones like Mario Kart Wii... terrible.

Since the Wii launched Nintendo have only put out about 4 games worth getting excited about, all of which are sequals.

They arent 'rubbish' but they are nothing special.

The same can be said for nearly every company, though. :/ Everyone makes sequels. Nearly all of the games released are sequels. They make up the main bulk of the industry.

What are/were the games most talked about? Gears of War 2, Halo 3, that Banjo Kazooie sequel, Yakuza Kensan, Mario Galaxy, MegaMan 9. All sequels or part of existing franchises.

What are generally the most polished, refined games released, both in their respective series and compared to other games in their genre? Prime 3, Final Fantasy X (for its time six freaking years ago!!!!!), Ratchet and Clank Future, Crash Bandicoot 3 (again, for its time), Call of Duty 4. All sequels yet again.

What games make the most money? Madden [insert year here], Guitar Hero [insert number/expansion pack here], Poke'mon Diamond/Pearl/Platinum, Halo 3. Yet again, all sequels.

Umm, Sharky never said that other companies don't make sequels. He just said that the only games that Nintendo makes that are worth getting are sequels (and even those sequels don't always turn out good either...Mario Kart Wii). Of course other companies make seuqels, but they also have new games that are worth getting as well.

Sony's got LittleBigPlanet, Heavy Rain, Infamous, MAG, Uncharted, Resistance, etc. Microsoft's got Banjo-Kazooie: Nuts & Bolts (might as well be new due to all the changes), Gears of War (new 360 franchise), and probably some other new games that I don't care about. But what new franchises/games for the Wii has Nintendo made? Just the Wii series (WiiSports, WiiMusic, WiiPlay, WiiFit, WiiWasteMoney, etc.) which is for casual gamers. Oh, and Disaster (Wow, one game for the hardcore!). All the other games are just sequels to franchises from past generations: the good (Galaxy, Brawl, Prime, Zelda), the meh (Animal Crossing, Pikmin, Wario Land) and the bad (Mario Kart Wii, Pokemon Stadium w/e, Mario's Sport Spin-off Cash Cow).

So that leaves us more hardcore gamers with nothing to play but a few games from Nintendo...that are all sequels. That's why people complain about their sequels and not other companies. Honestly, other than Disaster (which ain't looking that great...I'll probably rent) the only Wii games from Nintendo that I'll even bother getting in the future is Mario Galaxy 2 (sequel to a sequel), the next Zelda (sequel....unless they take a much needed new direction), F-Zero Wii (sequel), and the next entry in the Metroid series...if there is one (and it will probably be a sequel as well).

Once Nintendo starts making new Wii games that hardcore gamers will actually care about, then people will stop complaining about their sequelitis. And just a couple of questionable looking games like Disaster and Project H.A.M.M.E.R. (canceled...nice job there) aren't going to cut it.

As for the topic at hand, I can't say I really care. Golden Eye and Conker are the only franchises from Rare that I vaguely cared about. A clone of the most overrated platformer in exsistance and whatever else they made didn't interest me.

Here's hoping for the best with the new games they make though. Give me a reason to get a 360.
Actually, Nintendo has made quite a few new IP's other than the Wii games series. It's just that most of them, wether they are games Nintendo developed or just published have been on the Nintendo DS.

[Camron Kosciozko]

Wasnt the whole point reffering to Nintendo's console offerings....?

[ShadowLegend]

Wasnt the whole point reffering to Nintendo's console offerings....?

lol of course it was....but as typical with Nintendo fans, they use the same old copout of DS games.

Yes, Misfits, we know Nintendo has no problem making hardcore games as long as they're low-budget on and don't take a lot of people to make.

[berzerker92]

i dont care about most of rare's stuff, but a new conker would be sick!!!

[Misfits Fiend]

Wasnt the whole point reffering to Nintendo's console offerings....?

lol of course it was....but as typical with Nintendo fans, they use the same old copout of DS games.

Yes, Misfits, we know Nintendo has no problem making hardcore games as long as they're low-budget on and don't take a lot of people to make.
Well since half of Nintendo's resources goes towards making DS games and it's a huge part of their business, you can't really talk about Nintendo without referring to the DS. If you're gonna talk about Nintendo's console business, you have to look at things from a larger perspective. Much of what they do on the DS most likely has an effect on how they go about their console business. For example, look at Star Fox. There was one on the DS, yet the Wii hasn't got a Star Fox game. However, had the DS not existed at all, there's a pretty good chance the plans and game designs for Star Fox Command would have been on the Wii instead, especially since some of it's gameplay elements came from the scrapped Star Fox 2, a non handheld game.

[ShadowLegend]

Wasnt the whole point reffering to Nintendo's console offerings....?

lol of course it was....but as typical with Nintendo fans, they use the same old copout of DS games.

Yes, Misfits, we know Nintendo has no problem making hardcore games as long as they're low-budget on and don't take a lot of people to make.
Well since half of Nintendo's resources goes towards making DS games and it's a huge part of their business, you can't really talk about Nintendo without referring to the DS. If you're gonna talk about Nintendo's console business, you have to look at things from a larger perspective. Much of what they do on the DS most likely has an effect on how they go about their console business. For example, look at Star Fox. There was one on the DS, yet the Wii hasn't got a Star Fox game. However, had the DS not existed at all, there's a pretty good chance the plans and game designs for Star Fox Command would have been on the Wii instead, especially since some of it's gameplay elements came from the scrapped Star Fox 2, a non handheld game.

What makes you say that? If there was no DS what makes you think there would have been a Star Fox Command at all?

[Ashera]

It also tried to release a Live Arcade port of GoldenEye, although this was subsequently blocked by Nintendo.

**** you Nintendo
Actually, it was all Iwata's fault. Reggie was going to let them do an enhanced remake for XBox Live Arcade if Nintendo was allowed to put the original as well as 5 other Rare games for Nintendo consoles such as Banjo, Killer Instinct and the like on the Virtual Console.
So its really more of **** you Iwata.

God I'm sick of this conspiracy against Sega crap. Super Mario Galaxy was seen as a good game regardless of Mario by a good amount of gamers. Sonic games are sadly rarely seen as good games by a majority of gamers. I don't believe in this so-called conspiracy in regards to Sega or Nintendo. Its not like Super Mario Sunshine was seen as all that good for the Nintendo Gamecube, although I liked. Guess what? I even like Sonic the Hegdehog '06, its my second favorite 3D Sonic game currently, right behind Sonic Adventure 2.

[ShadiWulf]

It also tried to release a Live Arcade port of GoldenEye, although this was subsequently blocked by Nintendo.

**** you Nintendo
Actually, it was all Iwata's fault. Reggie was going to let them do an enhanced remake for XBox Live Arcade if Nintendo was allowed to put the original as well as 5 other Rare games for Nintendo consoles such as Banjo, Killer Instinct and the like on the Virtual Console.
So its really more of **** you Iwata.

God I'm sick of this conspiracy against Sega crap. Super Mario Galaxy was seen as a good game regardless of Mario by a good amount of gamers. Sonic games are sadly rarely seen as good games by a majority of gamers. I don't believe in this so-called conspiracy in regards to Sega or Nintendo. Its not like Super Mario Sunshine was seen as all that good for the Nintendo Gamecube, although I liked. Guess what? I even like Sonic the Hegdehog '06, its my second favorite 3D Sonic game currently, right behind Sonic Adventure 2.

Well Iwata IS Nintendo :lol: so that's what I meant.

Nintendo would be a much better company without Iwata or Miyamoto.

[SpongeAlex]

It also tried to release a Live Arcade port of GoldenEye, although this was subsequently blocked by Nintendo.

**** you Nintendo
Actually, it was all Iwata's fault. Reggie was going to let them do an enhanced remake for XBox Live Arcade if Nintendo was allowed to put the original as well as 5 other Rare games for Nintendo consoles such as Banjo, Killer Instinct and the like on the Virtual Console.
So its really more of **** you Iwata.

God I'm sick of this conspiracy against Sega crap. Super Mario Galaxy was seen as a good game regardless of Mario by a good amount of gamers. Sonic games are sadly rarely seen as good games by a majority of gamers. I don't believe in this so-called conspiracy in regards to Sega or Nintendo. Its not like Super Mario Sunshine was seen as all that good for the Nintendo Gamecube, although I liked. Guess what? I even like Sonic the Hegdehog '06, its my second favorite 3D Sonic game currently, right behind Sonic Adventure 2.

Well Iwata IS Nintendo :lol: so that's what I meant.

Nintendo would be a much better company without Iwata or Miyamoto.

Miyamoto is one of Nintendo's best. It would suck if he left.

[Soniclogic567]

It also tried to release a Live Arcade port of GoldenEye, although this was subsequently blocked by Nintendo.

**** you Nintendo
Actually, it was all Iwata's fault. Reggie was going to let them do an enhanced remake for XBox Live Arcade if Nintendo was allowed to put the original as well as 5 other Rare games for Nintendo consoles such as Banjo, Killer Instinct and the like on the Virtual Console.
So its really more of **** you Iwata.

God I'm sick of this conspiracy against Sega crap. Super Mario Galaxy was seen as a good game regardless of Mario by a good amount of gamers. Sonic games are sadly rarely seen as good games by a majority of gamers. I don't believe in this so-called conspiracy in regards to Sega or Nintendo. Its not like Super Mario Sunshine was seen as all that good for the Nintendo Gamecube, although I liked. Guess what? I even like Sonic the Hegdehog '06, its my second favorite 3D Sonic game currently, right behind Sonic Adventure 2.

Well Iwata IS Nintendo :lol: so that's what I meant.

Nintendo would be a much better company without Iwata or Miyamoto. I don't think the company would have even existed or been so popular without Miyamoto. Sega would have dominated without competition and Cheap tactics Nintendo employed. lol

[Ashera]

It also tried to release a Live Arcade port of GoldenEye, although this was subsequently blocked by Nintendo.

**** you Nintendo
Actually, it was all Iwata's fault. Reggie was going to let them do an enhanced remake for XBox Live Arcade if Nintendo was allowed to put the original as well as 5 other Rare games for Nintendo consoles such as Banjo, Killer Instinct and the like on the Virtual Console.
So its really more of **** you Iwata.

God I'm sick of this conspiracy against Sega crap. Super Mario Galaxy was seen as a good game regardless of Mario by a good amount of gamers. Sonic games are sadly rarely seen as good games by a majority of gamers. I don't believe in this so-called conspiracy in regards to Sega or Nintendo. Its not like Super Mario Sunshine was seen as all that good for the Nintendo Gamecube, although I liked. Guess what? I even like Sonic the Hegdehog '06, its my second favorite 3D Sonic game currently, right behind Sonic Adventure 2.

Well Iwata IS Nintendo :lol: so that's what I meant.

Nintendo would be a much better company without Iwata or Miyamoto.
I agree about being better off without Iwata, but Miyamoto still makes good, if very odd, games.

[ShadiWulf]

It also tried to release a Live Arcade port of GoldenEye, although this was subsequently blocked by Nintendo.

**** you Nintendo
Actually, it was all Iwata's fault. Reggie was going to let them do an enhanced remake for XBox Live Arcade if Nintendo was allowed to put the original as well as 5 other Rare games for Nintendo consoles such as Banjo, Killer Instinct and the like on the Virtual Console.
So its really more of **** you Iwata.

God I'm sick of this conspiracy against Sega crap. Super Mario Galaxy was seen as a good game regardless of Mario by a good amount of gamers. Sonic games are sadly rarely seen as good games by a majority of gamers. I don't believe in this so-called conspiracy in regards to Sega or Nintendo. Its not like Super Mario Sunshine was seen as all that good for the Nintendo Gamecube, although I liked. Guess what? I even like Sonic the Hegdehog '06, its my second favorite 3D Sonic game currently, right behind Sonic Adventure 2.

Well Iwata IS Nintendo :lol: so that's what I meant.

Nintendo would be a much better company without Iwata or Miyamoto.
I agree about being better off without Iwata, but Miyamoto still makes good, if very odd, games.

Wii Sports
Wii Play
Wii Fit
Wii Music

He needs to retire =P

[ShadowLegend]

Miyamoto didn't make Wii Play, Shadi.

Add Super Mario Galaxy and Twilight Princess to that list too, btw, since he produced them and they're 2 of the highest-rated games this gen.

[SpongeAlex]

It also tried to release a Live Arcade port of GoldenEye, although this was subsequently blocked by Nintendo.

**** you Nintendo
Actually, it was all Iwata's fault. Reggie was going to let them do an enhanced remake for XBox Live Arcade if Nintendo was allowed to put the original as well as 5 other Rare games for Nintendo consoles such as Banjo, Killer Instinct and the like on the Virtual Console.
So its really more of **** you Iwata.

God I'm sick of this conspiracy against Sega crap. Super Mario Galaxy was seen as a good game regardless of Mario by a good amount of gamers. Sonic games are sadly rarely seen as good games by a majority of gamers. I don't believe in this so-called conspiracy in regards to Sega or Nintendo. Its not like Super Mario Sunshine was seen as all that good for the Nintendo Gamecube, although I liked. Guess what? I even like Sonic the Hegdehog '06, its my second favorite 3D Sonic game currently, right behind Sonic Adventure 2.

Well Iwata IS Nintendo :lol: so that's what I meant.

Nintendo would be a much better company without Iwata or Miyamoto.
I agree about being better off without Iwata, but Miyamoto still makes good, if very odd, games.

Wii Sports
Wii Play
Wii Fit
Wii Music

He needs to retire =P

That's only 4 games. He's done WAY more games since Donkey Kong arcade.

[ShadiWulf]

Miyamoto didn't make Wii Play, Shadi.

Add Super Mario Galaxy and Twilight Princess to that list too, btw, since he produced them and they're 2 of the highest-rated games this gen.

Producer = Sitting in a chair doing nothing, I believe he helped with Mario Galaxy, but not with Zelda, besides yelling about how there cant be voices.

[ShadowLegend]

Miyamoto didn't make Wii Play, Shadi.

Add Super Mario Galaxy and Twilight Princess to that list too, btw, since he produced them and they're 2 of the highest-rated games this gen.

Producer = Sitting in a chair doing nothing, I believe he helped with Mario Galaxy, but not with Zelda, besides yelling about how there cant be voices.

He actually apparently was more involved in TP than the last few but eh...he also "produced" Wii fit, Wii sports, and Wii Music...he doesn't direct games anymore, he produces, so you're being a bit hypocritical by only giving him credit for producing *those* games but ignoring the good ones he's produced.

[ShadiWulf]

Miyamoto didn't make Wii Play, Shadi.

Add Super Mario Galaxy and Twilight Princess to that list too, btw, since he produced them and they're 2 of the highest-rated games this gen.

Producer = Sitting in a chair doing nothing, I believe he helped with Mario Galaxy, but not with Zelda, besides yelling about how there cant be voices.

He actually apparently was more involved in TP than the last few but eh...he also "produced" Wii fit, Wii sports, and Wii Music...he doesn't direct games anymore, he produces, so you're being a bit hypocritical by only giving him credit for producing *those* games but ignoring the good ones he's produced.

Lol... he is proud of Wii Sports and Wii Fit, he never talks about Zelda Twilight Princess.

[ShadowLegend]

Miyamoto didn't make Wii Play, Shadi.

Add Super Mario Galaxy and Twilight Princess to that list too, btw, since he produced them and they're 2 of the highest-rated games this gen.

Producer = Sitting in a chair doing nothing, I believe he helped with Mario Galaxy, but not with Zelda, besides yelling about how there cant be voices.

He actually apparently was more involved in TP than the last few but eh...he also "produced" Wii fit, Wii sports, and Wii Music...he doesn't direct games anymore, he produces, so you're being a bit hypocritical by only giving him credit for producing *those* games but ignoring the good ones he's produced.

Lol... he is proud of Wii Sports and Wii Fit, he never talks about Zelda Twilight Princess.

So...MS is apparently not proud of Viva Pinata 2, doesn't mean it didn't happen...

Don't forget Miyamoto was the one to first introduce TP...and he did it holding a sword and shield. :)

Just because he's choosing to hype up other, new IP's himself instead doesn't mean he no longer works on other stuff....

[Misfits Fiend]

What makes you say that? If there was no DS what makes you think there would have been a Star Fox Command at all?
Because a lot of Star Fox 2's ideas were still left unused and Nintendo obviously wanted a Star Fox game around that time. It may not have been the same exact game we know of now, but it probably would have made it to the Wii.

Also, the practice of choosing the DS for major exclusives for budget purposes is a practice shared by most major developers. It's why Square-Enix moved the development of the Final Fantasy III remake from the PS2 to the DS and it's why many of their games that are on the DS or are coming to the DS probably would have been on the PSP, PS2, or PS3. It's also why the system is a gold mine for games that very well could have been made for the Wii. And more recently, it's why we see the next GTA game on that system as opposed to a more powerful console.

So when you're talking about Nintendo consoles, what IP's are on there, and third party support, you're only telling half the story if you only talk about the Wii since the DS has a direct impact on the games that are made for the Wii and other consoles. So when someone says something like "Nintendo hasn't done anything original since Pikmin with the exception of those damn sports games," they really don't know what they're talking about and aren't looking at the bigger picture.

[SpongeAlex]

Miyamoto didn't make Wii Play, Shadi.

Add Super Mario Galaxy and Twilight Princess to that list too, btw, since he produced them and they're 2 of the highest-rated games this gen.

Producer = Sitting in a chair doing nothing, I believe he helped with Mario Galaxy, but not with Zelda, besides yelling about how there cant be voices.

He actually apparently was more involved in TP than the last few but eh...he also "produced" Wii fit, Wii sports, and Wii Music...he doesn't direct games anymore, he produces, so you're being a bit hypocritical by only giving him credit for producing *those* games but ignoring the good ones he's produced.

Lol... he is proud of Wii Sports and Wii Fit, he never talks about Zelda Twilight Princess.

He called Wii Music a toy & confirmed a new Pikmin was in development.

[ShadiWulf]

Miyamoto didn't make Wii Play, Shadi.

Add Super Mario Galaxy and Twilight Princess to that list too, btw, since he produced them and they're 2 of the highest-rated games this gen.

Producer = Sitting in a chair doing nothing, I believe he helped with Mario Galaxy, but not with Zelda, besides yelling about how there cant be voices.

He actually apparently was more involved in TP than the last few but eh...he also "produced" Wii fit, Wii sports, and Wii Music...he doesn't direct games anymore, he produces, so you're being a bit hypocritical by only giving him credit for producing *those* games but ignoring the good ones he's produced.

Lol... he is proud of Wii Sports and Wii Fit, he never talks about Zelda Twilight Princess.

He called Wii Music a toy & confirmed a new Pikmin was in development.WhoooO!!!! I LOVE games based on Miyamoto's hobbies! Just look at Wiii Fit!

[Soniclogic567]

*facepalms to Shadi and Sponge*

[ShadiWulf]

I could easily make a RTS based off the concept of defending message boards from Nintendo fanboys.

[ShadowLegend]

What makes you say that? If there was no DS what makes you think there would have been a Star Fox Command at all?
Because a lot of Star Fox 2's ideas were still left unused and Nintendo obviously wanted a Star Fox game around that time. It may not have been the same exact game we know of now, but it probably would have made it to the Wii.

Also, the practice of choosing the DS for major exclusives for budget purposes is a practice shared by most major developers. It's why Square-Enix moved the development of the Final Fantasy III remake from the PS2 to the DS and it's why many of their games that are on the DS or are coming to the DS probably would have been on the PSP, PS2, or PS3. It's also why the system is a gold mine for games that very well could have been made for the Wii. And more recently, it's why we see the next GTA game on that system as opposed to a more powerful console.

So when you're talking about Nintendo consoles, what IP's are on there, and third party support, you're only telling half the story if you only talk about the Wii since the DS has a direct impact on the games that are made for the Wii and other consoles. So when someone says something like "Nintendo hasn't done anything original since Pikmin with the exception of those damn sports games," they really don't know what they're talking about and aren't looking at the bigger picture.

That's because the bigger picture isn't interesting to us. Handhelds are a different beast entirely, dude...we didn't buy the Wii so that Nintendo could just make all their decent games on an N64-lite. It's not a good excuse.

[Ashera]

It also tried to release a Live Arcade port of GoldenEye, although this was subsequently blocked by Nintendo.

**** you Nintendo
Actually, it was all Iwata's fault. Reggie was going to let them do an enhanced remake for XBox Live Arcade if Nintendo was allowed to put the original as well as 5 other Rare games for Nintendo consoles such as Banjo, Killer Instinct and the like on the Virtual Console.
So its really more of **** you Iwata.

God I'm sick of this conspiracy against Sega crap. Super Mario Galaxy was seen as a good game regardless of Mario by a good amount of gamers. Sonic games are sadly rarely seen as good games by a majority of gamers. I don't believe in this so-called conspiracy in regards to Sega or Nintendo. Its not like Super Mario Sunshine was seen as all that good for the Nintendo Gamecube, although I liked. Guess what? I even like Sonic the Hegdehog '06, its my second favorite 3D Sonic game currently, right behind Sonic Adventure 2.

Well Iwata IS Nintendo :lol: so that's what I meant.

Nintendo would be a much better company without Iwata or Miyamoto.
I agree about being better off without Iwata, but Miyamoto still makes good, if very odd, games.

Wii Sports
Wii Play
Wii Fit
Wii Music

He needs to retire =P
Well they're not "hardcore" games, they are still fun to play.
Besides, Miyamoto produces a ton of games on Nintendo's consoles, often really good ones. He keeps close watch on the characters he made. And also, Zelda is better off without voices in the eyes of the majority of fans of the series. Well its true that voices could make it better, its also possible that the voices would be horrid.


I could easily make a RTS based off the concept of defending message boards from Nintendo fanboys.
Again with the damn labeling...

[ShadowLegend]

Zelda needs voices and advancement. That's about the only thing I'll agree with Shadi on this one. I will say, though, that Miyamoto needs to loosen his hold on some projects (like the Zelda series,) and allow them to advance. I've said in the past that he needs to retire but after playing the truly amazing Mario Galaxy (Which is simply "Nintendo Classic" at its finest) I think he still can crank out an incredible game.

[Misfits Fiend]

Shigeru Miyamoto's involvement in games is very confusing to judge. Yeah, he's mostly a producer nowadays, but he has more direct involvement in quite a few games than what most people would think. For example, he directed Super Mario 64 and produced Super Mario Galaxy, yet in interviews he claims that he had more of a directorial role in Galaxy that he did in 64. In The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time, I think he's listed as the producer, yet he considered himself half director, half producer. For his later, yet more personal projects like Pikmin, Nintendogs, and the Wii Sports/Wii Fit games, he was the producer in the same sense that George Lucas was the producer of Star Wars Episode V: The Empire Strikes Back and Episode VI: Return of the Jedi. in those movies, Lucas chose not to direct them because he was too busy building up LucasFilm but still wrote the story, came up with the characters, and had an overall say on the movies. Shigeru Miyamoto was the same way with a lot of his projects. He came up with the basic concepts, established a team to work on the game, told them what he wanted, then would leave for a bit to oversee another game.

[Ashera]

Zelda needs voices and advancement. That's about the only thing I'll agree with Shadi on this one. I will say, though, that Miyamoto needs to loosen his hold on some projects (like the Zelda series,) and allow them to advance. I've said in the past that he needs to retire but after playing the truly amazing Mario Galaxy (Which is simply "Nintendo Classic" at its finest) I think he still can crank out an incredible game.
I do think that it would be interesting if the characters spoke in Hylian, since Nintendo obviously has the language wrote down, just listen to the Great Deku Tree, Jabun, or Valoo in Wind Waker, they all speak the language. Keep the English/Japanese text boxes so you know what they're saying of course, but hearing the characters speaking in that language would add a very convincing fantasy element to a game that already has tons.

This is becoming a Nintendo topic..

[SpongeAlex]

I could easily make a RTS based off the concept of defending message boards from Nintendo fanboys.

Hmph, really? I like that Shigeru Miyamoto based some of his games off of hobbies.

[Soniclogic567]

Zelda needs voices and advancement. That's about the only thing I'll agree with Shadi on this one. I will say, though, that Miyamoto needs to loosen his hold on some projects (like the Zelda series,) and allow them to advance. I've said in the past that he needs to retire but after playing the truly amazing Mario Galaxy (Which is simply "Nintendo Classic" at its finest) I think he still can crank out an incredible game. It can go either way, Shadow. But, I'll bet you'll be regreting rather than praising. I doubt Nintendo would obtain truly good voice actors. You'll just get something ear grating like something from the Sonic series. lol Why do you think SSBB had no voice acting like Zelda did? They are not going to waste their money if they know it won't be good.

[ShadiWulf]

Zelda voiced by 4kids ftw!

[Nuckles87]

Zelda needs voices and advancement. That's about the only thing I'll agree with Shadi on this one. I will say, though, that Miyamoto needs to loosen his hold on some projects (like the Zelda series,) and allow them to advance. I've said in the past that he needs to retire but after playing the truly amazing Mario Galaxy (Which is simply "Nintendo Classic" at its finest) I think he still can crank out an incredible game. It can go either way, Shadow. But, I'll bet you'll be regreting rather than praising. I doubt Nintendo would obtain truly good voice actors. You'll just get something ear grating like something from the Sonic series. lol Why do you think SSBB had no voice acting like Zelda did? They are not going to waste their money if they know it won't be good.

See the mediocre voice acting in Disaster, and the so-so voice acting in Metroid Prime 3.

To be hones though, Zelda VAing shouldn't even by english. It should be celtic, or some sort of fantasy language. It worked well with the Twilii.

[Soniclogic567]

Zelda needs voices and advancement. That's about the only thing I'll agree with Shadi on this one. I will say, though, that Miyamoto needs to loosen his hold on some projects (like the Zelda series,) and allow them to advance. I've said in the past that he needs to retire but after playing the truly amazing Mario Galaxy (Which is simply "Nintendo Classic" at its finest) I think he still can crank out an incredible game. It can go either way, Shadow. But, I'll bet you'll be regreting rather than praising. I doubt Nintendo would obtain truly good voice actors. You'll just get something ear grating like something from the Sonic series. lol Why do you think SSBB had no voice acting like Zelda did? They are not going to waste their money if they know it won't be good.

See the mediocre voice acting in Disaster, and the so-so voice acting in Metroid Prime 3.

To be hones though, Zelda VAing shouldn't even by english. It should be celtic, or some sort of fantasy language. It worked well with the Twilii. Forgive me for say this. But is the game a disaster, too? :lol:

But, yeah, if Zelda did have voice acting celtic would be the way to go rather than modern english. Not just the accent and they speak modern english like some games. lol

[pirovash88]

Zelda just shouldn't have voice acting in general, I just couldn't imagine listening to Link talk, it'd be weird. Look at what happened with Mario Sunshine.

[Soniclogic567]

Zelda just shouldn't have voice acting in general, I just couldn't imagine listening to Link talk, it'd be weird. Look at what happened with Mario Sunshine. Mario didn't talk. But Bowser, his son and the people of that island all did.

[ShadowLegend]

Not sure what Nuckles is talking about, I thought Prime 3 featured great voice acting....no issues there.


They are not going to waste their money if they know it won't be good.

Why wouldn't it be good? Just get good VA. Go with the voice company/voice directors who voice Square-Enix RPG's and /or localizes Miyazaki movies and they'll take care of finding good talent.


But, I'll bet you'll be regreting rather than praising.

Nah, I'd even take "decent" voice acting over the extremely lame way the cutscenes were presented in TP.

[Ashera]

To be hones though, Zelda VAing shouldn't even by english. It should be celtic, or some sort of fantasy language. It worked well with the Twilii.
That's pretty much what I said. Nintendo does have the entire Hylian langauge wrote out, its used often in Wind Waker. Also, if you look at the signs or writing on the walls in games like Ocarina of Time & Twilight Princess, they all have Hylian writing thats actually readable if you know how to read it, which there are some translators on the internet. Also, the legend scroll from the beginning of the Wind Waker is wrote in Hylian, so it wouldn't be much of a stretch to have them speak it as Valoo, Jabun, and the Great Deku Tree all did in Wind Waker.

[ShadowLegend]

Meh...I say go for English VA. Something like Fable...hell, anything.