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    Default F2P Paladin gets worse with Pay2Win Loot Boxes

    And even more so, it's alot like Star Wars: BAttlefront 2

    Hi-Rez Studios is testing some big changes to its free-to-play hero shooter Paladins, and an awful lot of players are not very happy about it. Essence, the in-game currency the studio rolled out early this year to much complaint, is gone, but it's been replaced by a loot box-based system that critics say will force players to either grind their faces off or spend real money on chests.

    The new system, called Cards Unbound, unlocks all cards in the game—Basic and Legendary—for all players. But those cards now have levels, from 1 to 5, which can be advanced by collecting duplicates. And you will definitely want to upgrade them, because the power differences between level 1 and level 5 cards are significant: Evie's Cold Acclimation card, for instance, reduces self-damage from weapon backsplash by 20 percent at level 1, but goes all the way to 100 percent at level 5.

    The duplicates required to level up cards will only be available from opened chests, and the numbers required are significant: 42 cards are required to take a common card from level 1 to 5, ( the open beta 64 patch notes had it at 43 but it's since been adjusted) while legendary cards require just 4 but, as redditor Battlekid18 put it, "we all know how rare they are." Given that the system is RNG-based, that means an awful lot of chest-popping to put together a specific build.

    Compounding the issue further is that the system only applies to Quick Play, which will replace the Casual queue. In Quick Play, decks have no point limit, so players can put together loadouts of up to five level 5 cards. In Ranked play, however, all cards will be automatically set and locked to level 3. "This ensures that Ranked is all about player skill," Hi-Rez said. "There is no longer any grind for cards in Ranked."

    But as redditor UncleCarnage pointed out, Quick Play is where players go to learn new Champions (or pick up the basics of the game, if they're just starting out), so that they can be competitive in Ranked. Without level 5 cards to keep them from being demolished on a regular basis, players will end up forced to grind with their main in order to earn enough duplicates to make the new Champion viable.

    "And then you're ready to hop onto casual and play that champion/deck and learn him, but wait, you're doing that with a completely unbalanced deck that you wont be able to use in ranked," they wrote. "Or should I just quit casual completely and play ranked exclusively, and even when I want to play a new champion for the first time, I'll just do it there and ruin my team's day?"
    You can read more about it at: http://www.pcgamer.com/paladins-play...ession-system/

    Yes, I am aware that this is a Free 2 Play game. But that's no excuse to going down this Loot Box-based Pay 2 Win path. And this is a game not just on PC, but also on the PS4 and XBone. Even worse: Those who are new to the game will be turned off if the only causal mode is a Pay 2 Win nightmare.

    And right now, there is a backlash against this. Many players think this is a bad idea, and considering what Star Wars: Battlefront 2 is going through(Not to mention EA having a similar set of games based on UFC), the anger is pretty much justified.
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    This is a great idea. Heck, I think every game company should do this.

    In fact, it would be great if they tied loot boxes to Amiibo figures, so then gamers would have to amass large piles of cheap McDonald's toys in hopes of getting that one loot box with the item(s) they were looking for.
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    I want Sonic games to have lootboxes. Imagine the amount of money Sega could farm with characters like Shadow, Blaze and Silver(and more). Dude, we're talking about a gold mine material here!


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    that. Loot Boxes are alot worse because of the fact that we're seeing game companies tie them to a more Pay2Win progression system.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fluffymoochicken View Post
    This is a great idea. Heck, I think every game company should do this.

    In fact, it would be great if they tied loot boxes to Amiibo figures, so then gamers would have to amass large piles of cheap McDonald's toys in hopes of getting that one loot box with the item(s) they were looking for.
    Yes great idea but Nintendo would have to do it so it would be ok!


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    Smash already has an annoying randomized Custom Move / Equipment system with duplicates already built into the latest game.

    Thus, all they'd have to do is tie that system directly in with Amiibos while allowing customs to be used online, and Nintendo's first pay to win loot box system will be in place!
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    Quote Originally Posted by fluffymoochicken View Post
    Smash already has an annoying randomized Custom Move / Equipment system with duplicates already built into the latest game.

    Thus, all they'd have to do is tie that system directly in with Amiibos while allowing customs to be used online, and Nintendo's first pay to win loot box system will be in place!
    Not exactly, the way they used Amiibos was more tied similar to Skylanders, Disney Infinity and LEGO Dimensions.

    But Loot Boxes are a lot worse. Reason is because you have to keep on paying AGAIN, and AGAIN, and AGAIN, and AGAIN, just to get the very item you're looking for.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Black_Diamond View Post
    But Loot Boxes are a lot worse. Reason is because you have to keep on paying AGAIN, and AGAIN, and AGAIN, and AGAIN, just to get the very item you're looking for.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Captain Linebeck View Post
    "This pile of dog smells worse than that pile of dog !"
    Still playing the same tired and worn out "Whataboutism." It doesn't work anymore, because Amiibo doesn't get alot of negative attention compared to Loot Boxes.

    Call me when CNN reports about comparing Amiibo to gambling.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Black_Diamond View Post
    Still playing the same tired and worn out "Whataboutism." It doesn't work anymore, because Amiibo doesn't get alot of negative attention compared to Loot Boxes.

    Call me when CNN reports about comparing Amiibo to gambling.
    Yeah unfortunately most Nintendo fans on the internet are like you and give them a free pass.


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