Why do everybody think Sony will lose the Next gen war?

[Tristan]

And what has Microsoft done to de industry?

HD and Online gaming doesn't count, that has been done since Genesis.

Please explain that to me.

Other than spending 80 billion dollars on a console that is basically a poor man's computer to nearly tie with Gamecube.

[Descartes]

What do you mean Sony brought videogames to the masses?

You make it sound as if Videogames were some type of cult that only a few had acces to.
Videogames were mainstream since the Atari. The market had to grow. Any market that doesn't grow starts to shrink and disspaers.

Remember that the SNES sold more consoles back in its day than the GC sold this gen. The only thing Sony did was acquire a bigger share of the market than any other console maker had done before.

In the SNES vs Genesis days the market was split around 55%-45%. Making none of them the absolute lider of the market.

This gen Sony probably had 60-70% of the gaming industry. With MS and Nintendo fighting for the other 40%-30%.

The only thing I'll give props the PS for doing is helping getting ride of the "Videogames are for kids" ideology.

[Camron Kosciozko]

And what has Microsoft done to de industry?

HD and Online gaming doesn't count, that has been done since Genesis.

Please explain that to me.

Other than spending 80 billion dollars on a console that is basically a poor man's computer to nearly tie with Gamecube.

"HD and Online gaming doesn't count, that has been done since Genesis."

Heh, thats really sad.

Hahaha. As im nearing my last posts in this thread, i just want to point out the fact that instead of answering my question or trying to prove your point, your blatant fanboyish ways shine as you ignore the original convo, and try and bash Sonys rival.

If you cant conversate or debate, dont reply to my posts. Im not wasting my time with "my system is better than yours because i said so" arguements.

[Tristan]

I was merely asking you a simple question.

Me a fanboy? I own every console since the original Atari. I play them all quite oftenly as well. I'm not stuck with a single console like you, so I'd consider you be about as blind as a bat.

Anyways, I don't need to defend Sony. That means I don't need to bash Microsoft either (unless I'm expressing amusement). Why? Because who does the barking is the smaller dogs in the pack. We, Sony fans keep quiet, simply because we don't need to fight for second and third place.

Too bad this isn't the olympics.

[Tristan]

What do you mean Sony brought videogames to the masses?

You make it sound as if Videogames were some type of cult that only a few had acces to.
Videogames were mainstream since the Atari. The market had to grow. Any market that doesn't grow starts to shrink and disspaers.

Remember that the SNES sold more consoles back in its day than the GC sold this gen. The only thing Sony did was acquire a bigger share of the market than any other console maker had done before.

In the SNES vs Genesis days the market was split around 55%-45%. Making none of them the absolute lider of the market.

This gen Sony probably had 60-70% of the gaming industry. With MS and Nintendo fighting for the other 40%-30%.

The only thing I'll give props the PS for doing is helping getting ride of the "Videogames are for kids" ideology.

Considering you spelled leader "lider", it might mean you have a latin language background making you earn some respect from me.

The thing about Sony is not their consoles, their TVs, their discmans or their laptops. Sony broke third parties free of Nintendo's Yakuza like tatics made in the 16 bit generation. Being an avid SEGA gamer since Altered Beast, Golden Axe and Outrun at the arcades I was more than glad that happened.

Genesis didn't get a lot of third support for Genesis, but SEGA's own superb gift in gaming combined with talented small third parties made Genesis shine regardless. Now returning to the original topic.

Sony by themselves, is no giant. It's more like a hobbit actually, a sneaky little hobbit to be honest. Precious! Precious! Sony's main accomplishment is a great relationship with third parties. Sony is nearly losing money with every console sold, but they make twice as much money with gaming licenses alone.

Third parties love Sony and for good reason mind you, such as Playstation 2 possesses over 11,000 (and ever growing) games despite it's the hardest console to program for. It's no suprise most of the niche, unique titles (some giving birth to entire new genres) were given birth on the PS2.

[fruitzofherwomb]

damn ps2 has 11,000 games? OMFG thats alot

[Descartes]

Yeah I am Latin... ^^;

[Tristan]

Yeah I am Latin... ^^;

What country are you from?

[Camron Kosciozko]

Im glad your stupid enough to post and not review what you type because its too easy, really. Usually, me, like every1 else dont waste time talking to you, for obvious reasons. Any1 can look at this conversation and see why its not worth replying to your garbage, but just to help you look more stupid ima reply this last time.

Me a fanboy? I own every console since the original Atari. I play them all quite oftenly as well. I'm not stuck with a single console like you, so I'd consider you be about as blind as a bat.

You own every single console since atari?...right. You play them all quite often?....right. Im stuck with 1 console?....right.

Anyways, I don't need to defend Sony. That means I don't need to bash Microsoft either (unless I'm expressing amusement). Why? Because who does the barking is the smaller dogs in the pack. We, Sony fans keep quiet, simply because we don't need to fight for second and third place.

You dont need to defend sony, yet a couple sentences later you say "we" sony fans dont have to fight for second or 3rd. Sony d*ckrider, WHO THE HELL IS FIGHTING FOR 1ST 2ND OR 3RD? Im not fighting for anything. Neither is any1else on these boards, so what are you talking about? You talk as if you own, or work for sonys playstation division and control what
goes on. You dont. Your a dam groupie whois too attached to a game system. Get over it.

Funny how in the same exact post you manage to contradict yourself and prove your actually (and i'll use your elementary school line) "about as blind as a bat." Your not a fanboy, but it pleases you to take shots at your most favorite game companys rival in the whole wide world. Your whole post is a contradiction.

Lastly, the only thing you can credit Sony for is having lots of 3rd partys? Did you forget at 1 point that the reason they did that was because they had sh*tty 1st party software? Having tons of support isnt Sony helping the industry. Thats Sony helping Sony.

Hope you enjoyed this while it lasted, because its probably the most action this forum will get in awhile, and it was at your expense. We all appreciate that.

[xdscast]

What is wrong with you, Sony revolutionized this industry. They're the ones who increased console sales by making faulty hardware and forcing their mindless owners to buy more and more replacements. What more could you ask for?

Thats going in my sig.

As far as third party relations go. (Tristan) MS has the best support because they number of releases on the Xbox is a greater number per console owner. Sony has what? 3 times the install base? and they dont really have twice the amount of games released.

Third parties again. Sony did do good by cutting the royalty fee that Nintendo implements. However to say that their ties with third parties is strong is questionable. They made both the PS2 and PS3 unfriendly to develope for and without the developers in mind, fail to give the PS2 anti aliasing, but corrected that later by supplying code for it. Either way, Sony's "Strong third party ties" are nothing more than third parties trying to make money on the massive install base.

Yes Nintendo and Sega had online gaming way before MS did. Yes they had hard drives too, but there is a difference between doing it, and actually doing it. Dismal failures like the Nintendo Network in Japan shouldnt really count. Sega net, the Sega CD and Saturn internal memory, however I do consider moderate successes. Sega net was hot, CD could be credited with being the first multimedia system but TGFX-16 had an attachment before it. At the same time Sega CD could barely play FMV, so it shouldnt count.

Ill get to the point. The main difference between doing it and actually doing it is whether its supplementary or not. PS2 and the HDD, modems and network adapters that were peripherals out of the box dont count. Out of the box stuff does, DC's modem, MS's Ethernet for LAN and HD.